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From twm at cix.co.uk Fri Jul 1 00:39:00 2005 From: twm at cix.co.uk (Tim West-Meads) Date: Fri Jul 1 00:42:03 2005 Subject: [blml] Card dealing programs - was: Buratti In-Reply-To: <000801c57dab$52b28d00$6400a8c0@WINXP> Message-ID: Sven wrote: > Luckily enough nobody had noticed this "pattern" until I blew the > whistle, Perhaps? A few years ago I was the first to report a security flaw in my on-line bridge club software but I have no reason to believe that others might not have discovered it first and *not* reported it. Tim From grabiner at alumni.princeton.edu Fri Jul 1 01:14:31 2005 From: grabiner at alumni.princeton.edu (David J. Grabiner) Date: Fri Jul 1 01:16:34 2005 Subject: [blml] Card dealing programs - was: Buratti - Lanzarotti disqualified! In-Reply-To: <000401c57d85$f62e9ee0$6400a8c0@WINXP> References: <000401c57d85$f62e9ee0$6400a8c0@WINXP> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050630185618.033bcc70@mail.comcast.net> At 11:11 AM 6/30/2005, Sven Pran wrote: >There is a statement here which I cannot leave uncommented in my capacity as >the author of DEALER, the card dealing program which I believe is now >universally used for high-level tournaments in Norway: > > > On Behalf Of Roger Pewick >................ > > Frequently I notice short term patterns in computer generated deals. > >This statement ought to be qualified so that it can be verified or rejected >using statistical tools. > >No such patterns have been revealed with DEALER in spite of thorough and >continued testing since it was first introduced sometime around 1980. In >case anybody is interested: DEALER is freeware and available from my >homepage: >http://home.online.no/~svenpran/dealer.htm > >Be my guest > >Regards Sven People are very good at noticing patterns in random data, because there are a lot of interesting patterns. If you look for 100 different patterns each with probability 0.1%, the chance you will find one is nearly 10%. That does not imply any flaw in the randomness. In fact, when computer-dealt hands first became common, experts complained that they weren't random because there were too many freak distributions. What actually happened is that hand-dealt hands have too few freak distributions if they are dealt from a deck that was just used for rubber bridge and thus has clumps in suits. But a session full of 4-4-3-2 hands isn't interesting, so nobody noticed the deviation from the expected values. That is the claim Roger made. If you play a set of boards with a good random dealer, it might happen that you hold the AK of spades on the first four boards. You'll notice this as you lead the ace on the fourth board, but you shouldn't expect this to say anything about a defect in the random-number generator. From richard.hills at immi.gov.au Fri Jul 1 01:16:14 2005 From: richard.hills at immi.gov.au (richard.hills@immi.gov.au) Date: Fri Jul 1 01:17:16 2005 Subject: [blml] Buratti - Lanzarotti disqualified! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Wayne Burrows: [snip] >Without this I am left with an uneasy feeling that >whenever a competent player makes an anti-percentage >play for no particular reason [snip] >To my mind what I read would not pass even a "balance >of probabilities" test that in fact something untoward >had occurred. Richard Hills: I am pleased to discover that Wayne is an expert with a optimistically wholesome and childlike approach to life. As a more cynical and pessimistic expert, I believe that a player who makes an anti-percentage play for "no particular reason" is ipso facto *not* a "competent player". So, if one assumes that a person is a *very* "competent player" (a *much* more "competent player" than me or Wayne), then on the balance of probabilities they have a *very* "particular reason" to successfully choose a notionally anti-percentage line. The Committee: [snip] >>When asked to explain his reasons for playing the hand >>in such a fashion declarer gave a number of reasons >>which the Committee found unconvincing. It was >>adjudged that the nature of these explanations by a >>competent player was self-incriminating. [snip] Best wishes Richard Hills Movie grognard and paronomasiac From richard.hills at immi.gov.au Fri Jul 1 01:46:48 2005 From: richard.hills at immi.gov.au (richard.hills@immi.gov.au) Date: Fri Jul 1 01:47:11 2005 Subject: [blml] Buratti - Lanzarotti disqualified! In-Reply-To: <6279264.1120147186855.JavaMail.www@immi.gov.au> Message-ID: Sven Pran: >>On a point of order: Any WBFLC minute >>previous to the revision resulting in the >>current law book must be considered >>invalidated by that last law revision unless >>the essence of the minute was incorporated >>in the current laws with that revision. Grattan Endicott: >+=+ Any prior minute still applicable remains >valid until varied. > ~ Grattan ~ +=+ Richard Hills: Unless the WBF Laws Committee specifically states in a post-1997 minute that "Any prior minute still applicable remains valid until varied," Grattan Endicott is merely stating a personal opinion and Sven Pran's personal opinion is equally valid (and Sven's opinion is much more practical for the "beware of the leopard" reason). I note that the EBU does not rely upon a pre- 1997 "beware of the leopard" minute; it has instead passed a specific regulation. EBU White Book (TD Guide) clause 91.2: >>>DIC's right to disqualify or suspend >>>individual players in EBU events >>> >>>The EBU has given its authority to DICs to >>>suspend or disqualify an individual player, >>>and let the rest of the pair or team >>>continue, subject to any substitution >>>agreed by the DIC. This is a regulation >>>under Law 80F. >>> >>>Example A player says some unacceptable >>>things while playing a Swiss Teams match, >>>which shocks his partner as much as his >>>opponents. There is an even number of >>>teams and this is a team of five players. >>>The DIC might decide it is in everyone >>>else's best interests to let the other four >>>continue despite disqualifying the >>>offending player. Best wishes Richard Hills Movie grognard and paronomasiac From ereppert at rochester.rr.com Fri Jul 1 02:48:33 2005 From: ereppert at rochester.rr.com (Ed Reppert) Date: Fri Jul 1 02:50:43 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-05 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5A98480B-678E-4D49-85DD-E87186099796@rochester.rr.com> On Jun 29, 2005, at 1:42 AM, richard.hills@immi.gov.au wrote: > disagree with Marv's personal observation that any successful > choice should be deemed to be demonstrably suggested. Rather, I > argue that when two _contradictory_ calls are suggested by UI, it > should be the most probably suggested call of the two which is > deemed to be the demonstrably suggested call. Hm. This seems to suggest that there can be only one demonstrably suggested call to which we can apply Law 16 - but it seems to me there can be more than one, and if that's the case, then *none* of them may be legitimately chosen by the receiver of UI. That may lead to a problem if *all* possible calls are demonstrably suggested - it might force a player to either make a completely ridiculous call or take his chances and accept whatever score adjustment will come - but I can't construct such a case, though maybe some other list members can. :-) From ereppert at rochester.rr.com Fri Jul 1 02:53:33 2005 From: ereppert at rochester.rr.com (Ed Reppert) Date: Fri Jul 1 02:55:40 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-05 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jun 29, 2005, at 10:43 PM, richard.hills@immi.gov.au wrote: > West held a worthless doubleton in clubs, but claimed that > the auction rather than the hesitation told him that East > held a singleton club. Seems to me that it does, if you assume a LOTT hand. Then NS have 10 trumps (because of the 4C bid) and West has two, which leaves only one for east. However, that's irrelevant. The constraint applies *when you have UI*, regardless whether you also have AI. The question is, given the "certainty" that East has a singleton club, was there a logical alternative to 6H? From ereppert at rochester.rr.com Fri Jul 1 02:59:36 2005 From: ereppert at rochester.rr.com (Ed Reppert) Date: Fri Jul 1 03:01:45 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-16-TD PANELS In-Reply-To: <004d01c57ccf$cbee6540$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> References: <005301c57b5c$5eab00c0$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> <006501c57c17$3afc1c20$a1255244@craigjkd4vrl7u> <004d01c57ccf$cbee6540$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> Message-ID: On Jun 29, 2005, at 1:27 PM, Marvin French wrote: > UI must point to a particular action in order for that action to be > demonstrably suggested. Hm. At first I wasn't sure I understood this - but you're talking about cases where the UI suggests "do *something*, partner, just don't pass", aren't you? Problem is, I've only seen a couple of cases like that, and in those the suggestion was "demonstrable" because somebody said so, not because they demonstrated it. :-( From ereppert at rochester.rr.com Fri Jul 1 03:08:49 2005 From: ereppert at rochester.rr.com (Ed Reppert) Date: Fri Jul 1 03:10:57 2005 Subject: [blml] Buratti - Lanzarotti disqualified! In-Reply-To: <001a01c57c2e$80ad0650$8e65d642@DFYXB361> References: <17231391.1119961249943.JavaMail.www@wwinf3201> <2da24b8e0506280602387e1192@mail.gmail.com> <2da24b8e0506280636522f59b4@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.1.1.0.20050628161746.02b0fc00@pop.starpower.net> <001a01c57c2e$80ad0650$8e65d642@DFYXB361> Message-ID: <3CDBE4E1-1FF9-4F23-885D-DF59937EABD0@rochester.rr.com> On Jun 28, 2005, at 6:12 PM, raija wrote: > This would mean that online bridge is not bridge either. With > screens, one is able to observe the mannerisms of one opponent > only. Would that still be bridge; note "opponent", not "opponents"... [nit] Half an opponent - your opponent at the table is the opposing pair. [/nit] :-) > I believe the implementation of the electronic playing environment > is just around the corner, to eliminate incidents like Buratti- > Lanzarotti. It certainly makes it easy to get good, accurate > information of several areas of play where directors currently must > rely on self-serving statements on both sides. Every time I see the term "self-serving" on blml it "sounds" to me as if saying leaves a bad taste in the "speaker's" mouth. But should it? Okay, so the statement is self-serving. So what? Doesn't mean you throw it out. From richard.hills at immi.gov.au Fri Jul 1 03:39:41 2005 From: richard.hills at immi.gov.au (richard.hills@immi.gov.au) Date: Fri Jul 1 03:40:04 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-05 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Richard Hills: >>Dlr: West >>Vul: East-West >> >>East-West were playing a canape relay system. >>North-South were playing Dorothy Acol. >> >>WEST NORTH EAST SOUTH >> Dorothy Richard >>1D(1) 3C(2) Dble(3) 4C >>4H 5C 5H(4) Pass >>6H(4) Pass Pass Pass >> >>(1) Natural, but possibly holds a longer major >>(2) Preempt >>(3) Negative >>(4) Break in tempo >> >>West held a worthless doubleton in clubs, but claimed that >>the auction rather than the hesitation told him that East >>held a singleton club. >> >>Dorothy cashed the king and ace of clubs at tricks one and >>two when East also held a worthless doubleton in clubs. >>(Dorothy had sandbagged the opponents by preempting twice >>with a six-card suit.) Ed Reppert: [snip] >The constraint applies *when you have UI*, regardless >whether you also have AI. The question is, given the >"certainty" that East has a singleton club, was there a >logical alternative to 6H? Richard Hills: Passing 5H might just barely possibly have been a logical alternative for West, given that West lacked both the ace and the king of trumps, and 6H failed by *two* tricks when the king of trumps was offside. :-) Best wishes Richard Hills Movie grognard and paronomasiac From swillner at cfa.harvard.edu Fri Jul 1 04:26:07 2005 From: swillner at cfa.harvard.edu (Steve Willner) Date: Fri Jul 1 04:28:16 2005 Subject: [blml] Buratti - Lanzarotti disqualified! In-Reply-To: <200506282016.j5SKGZ9M016365@cfa183.cfa.harvard.edu> References: <200506282016.j5SKGZ9M016365@cfa183.cfa.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <42C4A9BF.7070002@cfa.harvard.edu> > From: twm@cix.co.uk (Tim West-Meads) > It is clear that the AC did not apply "beyond reasonable doubt" as their > criterion for conviction. Is "beyond reasonable doubt" the right standard to apply? By coincidence, there is now a debate here in Massachusetts about the standard of proof to apply for disciplining lawyers. As I understand it, the current standard is "preponderance of evidence," the thinking apparently being that it is more important to protect the public against possibly dishonest lawyers than to protect lawyers against wrongful discipline. Apparently some lawyers are suggesting the standard be raised to "clear and convincing evidence," which is still not as strong as "beyond reasonable doubt." Should the same principle apply in bridge misconduct cases? I doubt many of us want to play bridge against cheats or even against players who exhibit lesser conduct problems. Moreover, the direct harm to a bridge player who is disqualified or suspended is minimal (though the indirect harm could be substantial if the person derives income from bridge). So why is a high standard of proof needed? Also, out of curiosity, what standard do other jurisdictions apply for disciplining lawyers or other professionals? From swillner at cfa.harvard.edu Fri Jul 1 04:34:03 2005 From: swillner at cfa.harvard.edu (Steve Willner) Date: Fri Jul 1 04:36:06 2005 Subject: [blml] Re: In-Reply-To: <200506301414.j5UEEjkY023983@cfa183.cfa.harvard.edu> References: <200506301414.j5UEEjkY023983@cfa183.cfa.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <42C4AB9B.5040105@cfa.harvard.edu> > From: David Stevenson > The majority view outside Australia these days is that > player consultation is excellent for judging bridge judgement cases. The > people who think it is a matter of adding up and counting heads miss the > point, certainly, but the opinion of one or two players certainly helps. Indeed. Of course you have to ask the question properly (for example asking what alternatives are considered, not just which single one is selected), and you have to know what standard to apply to the results. As David wrote, it isn't a simple matter of counting heads. Still, if five out of six players polled choose pass, you can be fairly sure pass is a LA in any jurisdiction. Where you have to be careful is in a strict jurisdiction such as North America. Even if none out of six passes, pass may still be a LA here. > Is that why ACBL AC reports refer to the length of time taken? In > much of the world the question is whether there is a BIT or not: the > amount of the BIT being deemed irrelevant. I don't understand this. Doesn't a half-second hitch often carry very different information than a 20-s tank? Yes, both may be breaks in tempo, and some of the time they may suggest the same thing, but I would think quite often they suggest very different hand types and thus very different actions to be "carefully avoided." From Guthrie at ntlworld.com Fri Jul 1 04:35:41 2005 From: Guthrie at ntlworld.com (GUTHRIE) Date: Fri Jul 1 04:37:47 2005 Subject: [blml] Cheating investifgations. Message-ID: <000c01c57de5$94de8140$019868d5@James> The Reese-Schapiro incident investigation procedure was flawed. For example Butler sat on the WBF committee for which he was a prosecution witness. The WBF committee delivered an ambiguous "verdict" and referred the matter to the BBL for resolution. Then reversed the conclusion of a year long pains-taking and detailed BBL investigation. Have matters improved over the last forty years? Judging from subsequent fiascos - No! So, what can the WBF do? To start with, perhaps ... A. Keep records where privacy legislation permits. B. Specify and publish an investigation and prosecution protocol. C. Set up a trained group of investigators/advisors. D. Lean on the WBFLC to change laws that encourage and foster cheating, for example ... (i) Currently, a kibitzer who witnesses cheating may not tell the director. We should not have to depend on people deliberately breaking the law, just so that cheats can be reported. (ii) So-called "Equity" legislation also fosters cheats. Infractions go unpunished or attract bizarre soft penalties like calculated average scores. Players soon realize how few infractions are detected and punished, and hence, how well it pays to break the law. Many succumb to "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!" temptations. This is gets even more ridiculous if directors refuse to accept "balance of probability" circumstantial evidence and insist on rigorous absolute proof of wrong-doing before they will protect the innocent. However many years the WBFLC decide to wait between regular editions of the laws -- they should make ann exception for revisions that deal with cheating which should appear as soon as possible on the web. From swillner at cfa.harvard.edu Fri Jul 1 04:57:26 2005 From: swillner at cfa.harvard.edu (Steve Willner) Date: Fri Jul 1 04:59:28 2005 Subject: [blml] Buratti - Lanzarotti disqualified! In-Reply-To: <42C4A9BF.7070002@cfa.harvard.edu> References: <200506282016.j5SKGZ9M016365@cfa183.cfa.harvard.edu> <42C4A9BF.7070002@cfa.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <42C4B116.7050505@cfa.harvard.edu> >> From: twm@cix.co.uk (Tim West-Meads) >> It is clear that the AC did not apply "beyond reasonable doubt" as >> their criterion for conviction. SW> Is "beyond reasonable doubt" the right standard to apply? By the way, my question should not be taken as a comment on whether I agree or disagree with Tim's "It is clear that" assertion. From richard.hills at immi.gov.au Fri Jul 1 06:34:33 2005 From: richard.hills at immi.gov.au (richard.hills@immi.gov.au) Date: Fri Jul 1 06:36:41 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-05 In-Reply-To: <5A98480B-678E-4D49-85DD-E87186099796@immi.gov.au> Message-ID: Ed Reppert: [snip] >That may lead to a problem if *all* possible calls are demonstrably >suggested - it might force a player to either make a completely >ridiculous call or take his chances and accept whatever score >adjustment will come [snip] Richard Hills: In my opinion, Ed is fallaciously treating "demonstrably suggested" as an _absolute_ fact, rather than as a _comparative_ fact. The relevant Law 16 phrase is: ".....the partner may not choose from among logical alternative actions one that could demonstrably have been suggested **over another** by the extraneous information." Ergo, if *all* of the logical alternatives are equally suggested by UI, then none of them would be demonstrably suggested "over another". Best wishes Richard Hills Movie grognard and paronomasiac From richard.hills at immi.gov.au Fri Jul 1 07:50:23 2005 From: richard.hills at immi.gov.au (richard.hills@immi.gov.au) Date: Fri Jul 1 07:52:33 2005 Subject: [blml] Buratti - Lanzarotti disqualified! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Roger Pewick: [snip] >I have some opinions. > >[a] S asserted that diamonds had not been breaking. The AC rejected >it. Upon what basis? [snip] >Frequently I notice short term patterns in computer generated deals. >Infrequently I choose to act upon what I notice and am usually right. [snip] Richard Hills: Twenty-odd years ago, some computer programs which generated deals were flawed (back then, for example, a program used in an Aussie national event had an algorithm which generated an excessive number of singleton honours). But programs used nowadays have been subjected to rigorous statistical testing. Nowadays the only problem with computer generated deals has been human error (when humans repeat the same "seed" number for the pseudo-random generation of deals). As for "usually right" predictions, I doubt it. An assertion of "usually right" anti-statistical predictions is often distorted by perception bias; one remembers well the spectacularly correct guesses while tending to forget the mundane misguesses. Roger Pewick: >[b] just what does the AC assertion '- The Committee noted that >bidding and making Six Diamonds by normal play was quite likely to >win the board as the slam was not straightforward to bid.' mean? Richard Hills: If the other side were *certain* to bid 6D and take the percentage play, and if your side knew that a flat board was as bad as an adverse swing, then taking an anti-percentage line in 6D would have some merit. But if there was a significant chance that the other side would stop in game, then bidding to 6D guarantees that the board will not be flat, so in those circumstances the best chance of a favourable swing is to take the percentage line in 6D. Roger Pewick: >[c] The AC made another assertion that is also a lie: '- The >Committee noted that tackling diamonds (trumps) by leading the Jack >was singularly against the odds; except in the specific circumstances >when declarer knows that East has exactly three diamonds. In this case >the odds are 3-1 in favour of leading the Jack.' > >I would think that the definition of singularly against the odds would >be overwhelmingly likely to fail. [snip] Richard Hills: Balderdash. I would argue that turf accountants and bridge experts make a living by exploiting edges of a few percentage points. There is a significant (in the absence of AI) difference between the standard line and the anti-percentage line - running the jack is *not* merely subtlely inferior. Roger Pewick: >[d] the AC cast aspersion that S knew the diamond distribution - but >did not make the assertion nor deliver a finding on facts. Do they >really mean to say that a player that leads the J and finesses will >only do so when he has illegal information? Ergo to lead the J he had >illegal information? Richard Hills: For a bridge expert to take that anti-percentage line, that expert must have countervailing information which affects the odds. Unless a cow flew by, an expert would not randomly take an inferior line without any justification other than the phases of the moon. Roger Pewick: [snip] >[g] the AC made the assertion: '- The Committee noted that East's >duck of the Jack of Diamonds was correct technique. South could have >had five diamonds, in which case it is a normal gambit to lead the >Jack to induce a cover with Q10x.' > >It also follows that it is not unreasonable for declarer to run the J >since E would play as he did with the relevant holding. Richard Hills: A straw man argument. Running the jack (hoping for a cover with QTx, but intending to put a top honour on the jack regardless) is the percentage play in diamonds if North-South held ten diamonds between them. So, at the table, East could not afford to cover the jack with the queen (in order to give South a guess on the location of the ten when North-South had only nine diamonds between them). But even with a non-covering East, running the jack is *still* an anti-percentage line for North-South on a single-dummy basis. Roger Pewick: >[h] It is curious that the AC did not consider in its deliberation >South's assertion that he drew inferences from the questioning by the >defenders. [snip] Richard Hills: Balderdash. The committee specifically addressed South's assertions: "When asked to explain his reasons for playing the hand in such a fashion declarer gave a number of reasons which the Committee found unconvincing. It was adjudged that the nature of these explanations by a competent player was self-incriminating." Best wishes Richard Hills Movie grognard and paronomasiac From svenpran at online.no Fri Jul 1 08:10:35 2005 From: svenpran at online.no (Sven Pran) Date: Fri Jul 1 08:12:39 2005 Subject: [blml] Card dealing programs - was: Buratti In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c57e03$98af15a0$6400a8c0@WINXP> > On Behalf Of Tim West-Meads > Sven wrote: > > > Luckily enough nobody had noticed this "pattern" until I blew the > > whistle, > > Perhaps? A few years ago I was the first to report a security flaw in my > on-line bridge club software but I have no reason to believe that others > might not have discovered it first and *not* reported it. Believe me, we would have heard. The Norwegian community is rather transparent. Besides it took (repeated) analyses of several thousand boards to discover these patterns so for all practical purposes (events with up some 100 boards) they went unnoticed. Sven From mfrench1 at san.rr.com Fri Jul 1 09:27:24 2005 From: mfrench1 at san.rr.com (Marvin French) Date: Fri Jul 1 09:30:54 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-16-TD PANELS References: <005301c57b5c$5eab00c0$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> <006501c57c17$3afc1c20$a1255244@craigjkd4vrl7u> <004d01c57ccf$cbee6540$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> Message-ID: <017401c57e0e$54a0e680$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> From: "Ed Reppert" > > Marvin French wrote: > > > UI must point to a particular action in order for that action to be > > demonstrably suggested. As an example of wrong-thinking by some members of the ACBL AC > > > Hm. At first I wasn't sure I understood this - but you're talking > about cases where the UI suggests "do *something*, partner, just > don't pass", aren't you? Yes. > > Problem is, I've only seen a couple of cases like that, and in those > the suggestion was "demonstrable" because somebody said so, not > because they demonstrated it. :-( "Demonstrably suggested" used to be "reasonably suggested." I don't think the word should be taken so literally that a demonstration is expected. It was thought to be a better word than "reasonably," which prompted many to go into reasoning that went too far. Its intended meaning seems to be the obsolescent one, which is "apparently," or "evidently." What I tell players is not to take an action that might look like it was prompted by the UI unless there is no LA. I think that conveys the intent of L16A in simple language. Marv Marvin L. French San Diego, California From grandeval at vejez.fsnet.co.uk Fri Jul 1 12:21:42 2005 From: grandeval at vejez.fsnet.co.uk (Grattan Endicott) Date: Fri Jul 1 12:23:45 2005 Subject: [blml] Re: WBFLC procedure. Message-ID: <31235312.1120213302148.JavaMail.www@wwinf3103> +=+ Obviously, Richard, you know better than I do. Or is yours also merely a personal opinion? However, my point is taken somewhere in a meeting of the WBFLC which is a corporate and continuing body. ~ Grattan ~ +=+ ======================================== Message date : Jul 01 2005, 01:15 AM >From : richard.hills@immi.gov.au To : blml@rtflb.org >+=+ Any prior minute still applicable remains >valid until varied. > ~ Grattan ~ +=+ Richard Hills: Unless the WBF Laws Committee specifically states in a post-1997 minute that "Any prior minute still applicable remains valid until varied," Grattan Endicott is merely stating a personal opinion -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm From cibor at poczta.fm Fri Jul 1 13:13:04 2005 From: cibor at poczta.fm (Konrad Ciborowski) Date: Fri Jul 1 13:15:10 2005 Subject: [blml] Pour soul asking for guidance Message-ID: <20050701111304.BC19F173E67@poczta.interia.pl> Hi gang, In May in a thread called "Quick and simple" I asked the following question: +-- Suppose the bidding goes W N E S 1H x x 1S Now someone comes to his senses and realizes that East doubled North's double. You are called to the table, apply L35A, both the 1S bid and the East's double are cancelled. Do you treat North-South as OS or NOS for the puproses of L16C? --+ I was told by the learned men that contrary to my belief L16C doesn't apply eg: [Grattan] +=+ But we are to treat the occurrence as though no irregularity had occurred. So the preamble to Law 16C is not satisfied. These are not withdrawn actions within the terms of Law 16C. +=+ This clearly contradicts the answer to one of the questions from the TD-Course in Torino in 2004. Here's the question (18A): http://cibor.fm.interia.pl/pyt.jpg and here is the answer: http://cibor.fm.interia.pl/odp.jpg where (18A) L16C2 is explicitely mentioned ("no reason not to apply"). I would appreciate a definite answer as for who is right and who is wrong. Recently the Polish Bridge Union, following the Torino interpretation, officially instructed Polish TDs to use L16C2 in cases the ones above __________________ Konrad Ciborowski Krak?w, Poland ---------------------------------------------------------------------- OMNIXMAIL! Jesli masz telefon w sieci Era i dostep do WAP, to mozesz na komorce odbierac poczte ze wszystkich swoich kont poczty e-mail! OMNIXMAIL jest w Era Omnix: http://link.interia.pl/f1896 From twm at cix.co.uk Fri Jul 1 13:16:00 2005 From: twm at cix.co.uk (Tim West-Meads) Date: Fri Jul 1 13:18:42 2005 Subject: [blml] Buratti - Lanzarotti disqualified! In-Reply-To: <42C4B116.7050505@cfa.harvard.edu> Message-ID: > >> From: twm@cix.co.uk (Tim West-Meads) > >> It is clear that the AC did not apply "beyond reasonable doubt" as > >> their criterion for conviction. > > SW> Is "beyond reasonable doubt" the right standard to apply? > > By the way, my question should not be taken as a comment on whether I > agree or disagree with Tim's "It is clear that" assertion. That's OK - my comment was not intended to imply I believed "beyond reasonable doubt" was the correct standard. "Clear and convincing evidence" sounds better. Tim From defranchi.henri at wanadoo.fr Fri Jul 1 13:26:16 2005 From: defranchi.henri at wanadoo.fr (Henri DEFRANCHI) Date: Fri Jul 1 13:28:21 2005 Subject: [blml] Buratti Lanzarotti Message-ID: <33081585.1120217176348.JavaMail.www@wwinf1520> Unless I'm mistaken ( I don't think so ! ) well before Tenerife championship,many great players ( thus...not me...) were talking about BL's causing suspicion behaviour...Nasty coincidence ? I know it's easy to "hurler avec les loups" but.... From koen.grauwels at oracle.com Fri Jul 1 14:30:20 2005 From: koen.grauwels at oracle.com (Koen Grauwels) Date: Fri Jul 1 14:32:33 2005 Subject: [blml] rule of 18 Message-ID: <42C5375C.600@oracle.com> Suppose your Bidding rules document (Belgian) starts with: Rule of 18: Values generally accepted for 1-level opening are: total of HCP + number of cards in 2 longest suits is at least 18. You have NV/V in 1st seat: Axxxxx-x-x-Qxxxx (17 pts on rule of 18) And you open 1S. You have no agreement about this with your partner and your normal 1-level opening bids do promise 12 HCP (or 10/11 with compensating distribution). But you did not know what to do with this hand and decided to open 1S because you only have 7 loosers. After you opened 1S the opponents go to 4H doubled -2 for 0% MP result for them (and 100% for you). Question: - Is it allowed to open the above hand with 1S if you don't have an agreeement about it with your partner? Can it be considered a psyche that is allowed even if rule of 18 applies? - What is penalty of violating rule of 18? You adjust to best result that is possible/probable for the opponents? Thanks, Koen From twm at cix.co.uk Fri Jul 1 15:09:00 2005 From: twm at cix.co.uk (Tim West-Meads) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:11:19 2005 Subject: [blml] Buratti - Lanzarotti disqualified! In-Reply-To: <6279264.1120147186855.JavaMail.www@wwinf3202> Message-ID: Grattan wrote: > +=+ Any prior minute still applicable remains valid until varied. Of course, but those minutes not incorporated into the revised laws are obviously no longer considered "applicable" by the competent authorities that chose not to so incorporate them. How one might regard such historical oddities were the relevant authorities to profess incompetence is a different matter. Tim From twm at cix.co.uk Fri Jul 1 15:09:00 2005 From: twm at cix.co.uk (Tim West-Meads) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:11:21 2005 Subject: [blml] Buratti - Lanzarotti disqualified! In-Reply-To: <000201c57d73$1633c610$6400a8c0@WINXP> Message-ID: Sven wrote: > Law 91 specifically empowers the Director to suspend a contestant for a > session or any part thereof (L91A) or to disqualify a contestant > subject to the approval by the TC or SO (L91B). > > The definition of a "contestant" (as given in the laws) is in an > individual event a player, in a pair event two players playing as > partners and in a team event four or more players playing as team-mates. > > So there was no option here to disqualify just one pair, a > disqualification must apply to the entire team. Sven, I think you are absolutely right when it comes to disqualification/suspension. However, in situations where the TD considers it desirable for the "rest of the contestant" to continue I think there is a way forward: Using L81c4. Discipline to maintain discipline and to insure the orderly progress of the game. One may ban a disruptive player from the playing area (venue/town/ country as one deems fit). The player is neither disqualified nor suspended. One may also appoint/permit a substitution. Not appropriate in Tenerife obviously, but I can imagine situations (particularly where a pick-up partner becomes abusive) where one would wish to retain this option. Tim From wits at hummel.org Fri Jul 1 15:10:27 2005 From: wits at hummel.org (wits@hummel.org) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:12:28 2005 Subject: [blml] Hot Shot Stox Info Message-ID: <9570330857.537775291@a177057.upc-a.chello.nl> Big news expected. This sto-ck will explode . Do not wait until it is too late. ****LOOK AT CWTD TODAY 0.23 (10.60%) AND TRADED HIGH VOLUMN********* Friday will be even BIGGER New news expected next week. Expected 7 day price $9.00!!! 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Do not wait until it is too late. ****LOOK AT CWTD TODAY 0.23 (10.60%) AND TRADED HIGH VOLUMN********* Friday will be even BIGGER New news expected next week. Expected 7 day price $9.00!!! SYMBOL: CWTD Price: $2.42 Short Term Target: $10 - $13 12month Target: $24 *******************************PRESS RELEASE***************************** China World Trade Corporation Announced Strategic Partnership with the Foundation for Globalization Cooperation Tuesday June 7, 8:20 am ET TIANHE, Guangzhou, China, June 7 -- China World Trade Corporation (OTC Bulletin Board: CWTD - News), announced today that the CEO Clubs China Limited ("CEO Clubs"), a subsidiary of CWTC, signed a strategic alliance agreement with the Foundation for Globalization Cooperation (''FGC''). 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If the people that are short have to cover, they will be buying the shares from you at higher prices. This makes this sto-ck a TRIPLE PLAY for profits For pennies you can participate in a st-ock that could yield results over and over again just based on the trading patterns. If the company is able to effectuate it.s business model, WATCH OUT!!! We could see a GREAT STORY IN THE MAKING. GOOD LUCK AND TRADE OUT AT THE TOP!!!! Disclaimer: Information within this email contains "forwardlooking statements" within the meaning of Section 27Aof the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21B of theSecurities Exchange Act of 1934. 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Many of these companies are on the verge of bankruptcy. You can lose all your money by investing in this stoc=k. We urge you to read the company's SEC filings now, before you invest. The publisher of this newsletter is not a registered invstment advisor. Subscribers should not view information herein as legal, tax, accounting or investment advice. In compliance with the SecuritiesAct of 1933, Section 17(b),The publisher of this newsletter is contracted to receive six hundred thousand free trading shares from a third party, not an officer,director or affiliate shareholder for the circulation of this report. Be aware of an inherent conflict of interest resulting from such compensation due to the fact that this is a paid advertisement and is not without bias.The party that paid us has a position in the s=tock they will sell at anytime without notice.This could have a negative impact on the price of the st.ock, causing you to lose money. All factual information in this report was gathered from public sources, including but not limited to SEC filings,Company Websites and Company Press Releases. The publisher of this newsletter believes this informationto be eliable but can make no guarantee as to its accuracy or completeness. Use of the material within this email constitutes your acceptance of these terms. From emu at fwi.net.au Fri Jul 1 16:48:51 2005 From: emu at fwi.net.au (Noel & Pamela) Date: Fri Jul 1 16:50:52 2005 Subject: [blml] Buratti - Lanzarotti disqualified! In-Reply-To: <42C4A9BF.7070002@cfa.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <000101c57e4c$005e6e10$6401a8c0@noeltsui0kso1i> Also, out of curiosity, what standard do other jurisdictions apply for disciplining lawyers or other professionals? __________________ Since disciplining lawyers in Aus usually results in loss of ability to practice, and consequently loss of income, reputation and probably any prospect of ever again being able to appear in Court, Beyond Reasonable Doubt (officially). As professionals usually have great difficulty criticising peers, ever, eg. a Doctor probably has to kill a few patients or a lawyer has to steal several $million from their Trust fund before he/she gets hauled in front of a disciplinary panel - so unofficially Beyond Unreasonable Doubt is probably closer. _______________________________________________ blml mailing list blml@amsterdamned.org http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml From emu at fwi.net.au Fri Jul 1 16:48:51 2005 From: emu at fwi.net.au (Noel & Pamela) Date: Fri Jul 1 16:50:52 2005 Subject: [blml] Card dealing programs - was: Buratti - Lanzarottidisqualified! In-Reply-To: <000401c57d85$f62e9ee0$6400a8c0@WINXP> Message-ID: <000201c57e4c$0090efc0$6401a8c0@noeltsui0kso1i> One can always find short term 'patterns' in a random process. I would be surprised if DEALER did not seem to have short term patterns. Wayne _____________ Nice, but consider this: Boards are generally dealt in sets of 32 here. In a night we might play 3 x 10 board matches. If I sit, say South, in the first two matches, and I have had an average of 7.5 points in those matches, I'm pretty much guaranteed to be doing a lot of bidding in the last match if I stay in the South seat for the last match. Of course, all the extra points might be in the 2 boards not played (or 5 if its 3 x 9). It happens much too often to my liking... [Not every time, but too often...] regards, Noel From emu at fwi.net.au Fri Jul 1 16:48:51 2005 From: emu at fwi.net.au (Noel & Pamela) Date: Fri Jul 1 16:50:53 2005 Subject: [blml] Buratti - Lanzarotti disqualified! [Aside - on errors in printed law] In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.0.20050630130402.02af6e00@pop.starpower.net> Message-ID: <000001c57e4b$ff500b50$6401a8c0@noeltsui0kso1i> Perhaps I'm being parochial, but in the US the law is the law. If Congress passes a law with a printing error that completely distorts its meaning, it is still the law of the land, at least until Congress passes another law, published normally like any other, that corrects the misprint (which, BTW, they do routinely, very quickly, and quite often). _______________________ In most Commonwealth countries, the law, in the form of an Act as passed by Parliament (and signed by the Governor-General or the Queen in some cases), is the law no matter what is 'printed'. Courts have been known to call for what is known as the 'Assent' [as in Royal assent] copy held by the Executive Council Secretariat in cases where the actual wording of the law is in dispute. I doesn't happen very often, but it has happened. Distinguishing what you mean between 'publishing' and 'passing' a law might be important here - if a law is 'passed' with an error in it, that is a very different matter. [One of my roles is responsibility for printing the law in Australia.] [Note that laws not directly made by the Parliament, but by Ministers or officials who have been delegated the power to do so, follow a different set of rules. See www.comlaw.gov.au] regards, Noel From svenpran at online.no Fri Jul 1 17:10:30 2005 From: svenpran at online.no (Sven Pran) Date: Fri Jul 1 17:12:35 2005 Subject: [blml] Buratti - Lanzarotti disqualified! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c57e4f$0567c4d0$6400a8c0@WINXP> > On Behalf Of Tim West-Meads > Sven wrote: > > > Law 91 specifically empowers the Director to suspend a contestant for a > > session or any part thereof (L91A) or to disqualify a contestant > > subject to the approval by the TC or SO (L91B). > > > > The definition of a "contestant" (as given in the laws) is in an > > individual event a player, in a pair event two players playing as > > partners and in a team event four or more players playing as team-mates. > > > > So there was no option here to disqualify just one pair, a > > disqualification must apply to the entire team. > > Sven, I think you are absolutely right when it comes to > disqualification/suspension. However, in situations where the TD > considers it desirable for the "rest of the contestant" to continue I > think there is a way forward: > > Using L81c4. Discipline > to maintain discipline and to insure the orderly progress of the game. > > One may ban a disruptive player from the playing area (venue/town/ > country as one deems fit). The player is neither disqualified nor > suspended. One may also appoint/permit a substitution. > > Not appropriate in Tenerife obviously, but I can imagine situations > (particularly where a pick-up partner becomes abusive) where one would > wish to retain this option. Let us agree that we do not now consider the Tenerife incident. In other situations as you envisage the Director is empowered to ban a spectator (including a non-playing participant) from the playing area but I do not think the Director is empowered to ban a participant from being present if his partner (and in case the other players on the team) wants him to play. In such cases there is obviously a conflict of interest between the Director and the contestant (pair or team as the case may be), a conflict that can eventually only be resolved by the Director applying Law 91 if he finds cause but no alternative. >From my own experience I can assure you that I have in similar cases done everything in my power to try saving the event and avoid sit-outs for instance as the result of a possible suspension or disqualification. I particularly remember one event where I used the powers granted me in CoC and appointed my assistant (!) to sit in on a team that for a questionable reason was one player short during a round or two. Regards Sven From svenpran at online.no Fri Jul 1 17:27:38 2005 From: svenpran at online.no (Sven Pran) Date: Fri Jul 1 17:29:43 2005 Subject: [blml] Card dealing programs - was: Buratti -Lanzarottidisqualified! In-Reply-To: <000201c57e4c$0090efc0$6401a8c0@noeltsui0kso1i> Message-ID: <000301c57e51$6a2b71d0$6400a8c0@WINXP> > On Behalf Of Noel & Pamela > Lanzarottidisqualified! > One can always find short term 'patterns' in a random process. I > would be surprised if DEALER did not seem to have short term patterns. > > Wayne > > _____________ > > Nice, but consider this: > > Boards are generally dealt in sets of 32 here. In a night we might > play 3 x 10 board matches. If I sit, say South, in the first two > matches, and I have had an average of 7.5 points in those matches, > I'm pretty much guaranteed to be doing a lot of bidding in the last > match if I stay in the South seat for the last match. Of course, > all the extra points might be in the 2 boards not played (or 5 if > its 3 x 9). > > It happens much too often to my liking... > > [Not every time, but too often...] Then you are using a deficient card dealing program. Now, 32 boards are far too few to produce any meaningful statistics, but one of the tests I do is to check for serial correlation in the random data stream. If you use my DEALER to generate a set of 32 boards and find that over the first 20 boards South has an average of 7,5 HCP per board you will still find that the average HCP per board in South over the remaining boards will be 10 HCP in the long run. However you should not forget that the probable deviation from this average over such a small sample can be really a significant amount of HCP! Regards Sven From axman22 at hotmail.com Fri Jul 1 17:44:03 2005 From: axman22 at hotmail.com (Roger Pewick) Date: Fri Jul 1 17:56:23 2005 Subject: Fw: [blml] Buratti - Lanzarotti disqualified! Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 0:50 AM Subject: Re: [blml] Buratti - Lanzarotti disqualified! > > > > > Roger Pewick: > > [snip] > > >I have some opinions. > > > >[a] S asserted that diamonds had not been breaking. The AC rejected > >it. Upon what basis? > > [snip] > > >Frequently I notice short term patterns in computer generated deals. > >Infrequently I choose to act upon what I notice and am usually right. > > [snip] > > Richard Hills: > As for "usually right" predictions, I doubt it. An assertion of > "usually right" anti-statistical predictions is often distorted by > perception bias; one remembers well the spectacularly correct guesses > while tending to forget the mundane misguesses. fwiw Infrequently referred to less than once a year. > Roger Pewick: > > >[b] just what does the AC assertion '- The Committee noted that > >bidding and making Six Diamonds by normal play was quite likely to > >win the board as the slam was not straightforward to bid.' mean? > > Richard Hills: > > If the other side were *certain* to bid 6D and take the percentage > play, and if your side knew that a flat board was as bad as an adverse > swing, then taking an anti-percentage line in 6D would have some merit. > > But if there was a significant chance that the other side would stop in > game, then bidding to 6D guarantees that the board will not be flat, so > in those circumstances the best chance of a favourable swing is to take > the percentage line in 6D. If the AC words are to be taken literally they said that 6D makes by normal play. It therefore follows that since the lie of the cards does not yield 6D making when declarer rises with the ace on the first round it follows that leading small to the ace is not normal play. > Roger Pewick: > > >[c] The AC made another assertion that is also a lie: '- The > >Committee noted that tackling diamonds (trumps) by leading the Jack > >was singularly against the odds; except in the specific circumstances > >when declarer knows that East has exactly three diamonds. In this case > >the odds are 3-1 in favour of leading the Jack.' > > > >I would think that the definition of singularly against the odds would > >be overwhelmingly likely to fail. > > [snip] > > Richard Hills: > > Balderdash. I would argue that turf accountants and bridge experts > make a living by exploiting edges of a few percentage points. There is > a significant (in the absence of AI) difference between the standard > line and the anti-percentage line - running the jack is *not* merely > subtlely inferior. Reviewing the premise of your logic. It is astoundingly bad play to undertake a play that is close in percentage but a smaller percentage. My opinion is that for this to be true there must be a long run. But in a bridge tournament the standard of a long run is not satisfied. Consider your premise for the case at hand. Because leading small will make it possible to win 11 of 11 relevant cases while leading the J will make it possible to win 10 or 11 cases, it is singularly against the odds to lead the J. Once second hand small there are eight cases where playing the ace can win and two where finessing the nine can win. It is singularly against the odds to finesse. Note: Once second hand has played small it is known that he did not have stiff Q and the number of winnable cases reduces to 10 [the lost case is the one where leading the J loses]. Therefore, since it is singularly against the odds to not lead small and then play the ace when second hand plays low there are only nine cases available that 'can now win- since it is singularly against the odds to play for LHO to have QTx and therefore should never be undertaken. But, if a first round finesse is contemplated leading small can win only against QTx and QT and Q [4 cases] while leading the J can win against QTx, Qxx, Qx [6 cases]. Now consider the possibility that second hand started with stiff DQ [one in sixteen]. Imo that is singularly favorable odds, at least it is not unreasonable to choose to play for it. As it is singularly with the odds to play second hand to not have a stiff DQ I argue that taking the line that wins the most tricks wins the best score. Sometimes the most tricks comes from the best percentage play, sometimes from a less than best percentage play, and sometimes from an anti-percentage play. And all players are capable of all of those at one time or another. > Roger Pewick: > > >[d] the AC cast aspersion that S knew the diamond distribution - but > >did not make the assertion nor deliver a finding on facts. Do they > >really mean to say that a player that leads the J and finesses will > >only do so when he has illegal information? Ergo to lead the J he had > >illegal information? > > Richard Hills: > > For a bridge expert to take that anti-percentage line, that expert must > have countervailing information which affects the odds. Unless a cow > flew by, an expert would not randomly take an inferior line without any > justification other than the phases of the moon. I think that must is a bit strong. I think that countervailing information changes the 'odds' and an expert will adjust more readily to gain advantage. In my youngest days before I had ready knowledge of the squeeze I watched Bobby Goldman in the Reisenger set up a squeeze and then trash it. If I could recognize the position in real time then why didn't he? Anti-percentage refers to an event unlikely to happen [relative to it being able to happen]. 12 tricks were possible to happen11/16 of the time leading low [according to the bridge encyclopedia leading low to the ace is 30% (finessing the second round if 4th hand drops an honor)]; and for leading the J it was 10/16- still a good likelihood of 31% if E covers and 25% for a second hook. > Roger Pewick: > > [snip] > > >[g] the AC made the assertion: '- The Committee noted that East's > >duck of the Jack of Diamonds was correct technique. South could have > >had five diamonds, in which case it is a normal gambit to lead the > >Jack to induce a cover with Q10x.' > > > >It also follows that it is not unreasonable for declarer to run the J > >since E would play as he did with the relevant holding. > > Richard Hills: > > A straw man argument. Running the jack (hoping for a cover with QTx, > but intending to put a top honour on the jack regardless) is the > percentage play in diamonds if North-South held ten diamonds between > them. So, at the table, East could not afford to cover the jack with > the queen (in order to give South a guess on the location of the ten > when North-South had only nine diamonds between them). But even with > a non-covering East, running the jack is *still* an anti-percentage > line for North-South on a single-dummy basis. Your frequent use of anti-percentage is becoming confusing. The BE gives 30% to small to the ace. My calc's suggest that J not covered is 31%+, and J covered is 25% when finessing again. > Roger Pewick: > > >[h] It is curious that the AC did not consider in its deliberation > >South's assertion that he drew inferences from the questioning by the > >defenders. > > [snip] > > Richard Hills: > > Balderdash. The committee specifically addressed South's assertions: Did the AC pronounce an exhaustive list of the possible inferences available from the defender's questions? And was it self evident that not one of those possible inferences might tilt the balance to finesse? I am willing to presume that there were inferences that could suggest finesse. N claimed to have not seen E's hand. If that were true how does that condemn N for whatever he was condemned for? And as you have pointed out "When asked to explain his reasons for playing the hand in such a fashion declarer gave a number of reasons which the Committee found unconvincing. It was adjudged that the nature of these explanations by a competent player was self-incriminating." > "When asked to explain his reasons for playing the hand in such a > fashion declarer gave a number of reasons which the Committee found > unconvincing. It was adjudged that the nature of these explanations by > a competent player was self-incriminating." In order to have arrived at an unqualified conclusion 'self incriminating' presumes that N spoke the truth. And if N spoke the truth I am still wondering what he incriminated himself to. regards roger pewick > Best wishes > > Richard Hills > Movie grognard and paronomasiac From emu at fwi.net.au Fri Jul 1 18:01:32 2005 From: emu at fwi.net.au (Noel & Pamela) Date: Fri Jul 1 18:03:30 2005 Subject: [blml] Card dealing programs - was: Buratti-Lanzarottidisqualified! In-Reply-To: <000301c57e51$6a2b71d0$6400a8c0@WINXP> Message-ID: <000801c57e56$26dcd0e0$6401a8c0@noeltsui0kso1i> Then you are using a deficient card dealing program. _______________________________ I agree - the dealing program used here worries me - that was my point. [I don't care about 5/5 and 6/5 distributions - human dealt boards produce many, many too few of those. It's the HCP distribution where I have issues. Of course, some players have noted that in the major Teams event held in Canberra in January, over 14 x 20 board matches (or 1120 hands) until this year, you can almost guarantee several 8 card suits and the occasional 9 card suit, regularly each year. Seems a bit too frequent to me. Anyone know the odds of an 8 or 9 card suit? We had two last weekend, so maybe they are more common than I think.] regards, Noel -----Original Message----- From: blml-bounces@amsterdamned.org [mailto:blml-bounces@amsterdamned.org] On Behalf Of Sven Pran Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 1:28 AM To: blml Subject: RE: [blml] Card dealing programs - was: Buratti-Lanzarottidisqualified! > On Behalf Of Noel & Pamela > Lanzarottidisqualified! > One can always find short term 'patterns' in a random process. I > would be surprised if DEALER did not seem to have short term patterns. > > Wayne > > _____________ > > Nice, but consider this: > > Boards are generally dealt in sets of 32 here. In a night we might > play 3 x 10 board matches. If I sit, say South, in the first two > matches, and I have had an average of 7.5 points in those matches, > I'm pretty much guaranteed to be doing a lot of bidding in the last > match if I stay in the South seat for the last match. Of course, > all the extra points might be in the 2 boards not played (or 5 if > its 3 x 9). > > It happens much too often to my liking... > > [Not every time, but too often...] Now, 32 boards are far too few to produce any meaningful statistics, but one of the tests I do is to check for serial correlation in the random data stream. If you use my DEALER to generate a set of 32 boards and find that over the first 20 boards South has an average of 7,5 HCP per board you will still find that the average HCP per board in South over the remaining boards will be 10 HCP in the long run. However you should not forget that the probable deviation from this average over such a small sample can be really a significant amount of HCP! Regards Sven _______________________________________________ blml mailing list blml@amsterdamned.org http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml From svenpran at online.no Fri Jul 1 18:40:28 2005 From: svenpran at online.no (Sven Pran) Date: Fri Jul 1 18:42:32 2005 Subject: [blml] Card dealing programs - was:Buratti-Lanzarottidisqualified! In-Reply-To: <000801c57e56$26dcd0e0$6401a8c0@noeltsui0kso1i> Message-ID: <000901c57e5b$970220f0$6400a8c0@WINXP> If you card dealing program has the ability to produce files in either of the following formats: .BRI, .CDS, .DGE, .DUP or .KOR you can have your deals analyzed by my DEALER program, the light version of which is freeware. http://home.online.no/~svenpran/dealer.htm For a reasonable test I suggest that you prepare at least 10 sets, each with at least 800 boards, and let DEALER give you a statistical analysis of all sets. (You "initiate" statistics, then process the file with the printer "closed" to avoid printing all the boards, then "open" your printer and finally "report" statistics) Part of the report is something like: "The probability of a better match to average is nn%". This is prepared from a chi-squared test. The actual percent value for a single run is insignificant, but with several runs you should find the percentage values distributed fairly linearly between 0% and 100%. You will also receive a lot of raw data that enables you to pinpoint particular "problems". Regards Sven > -----Original Message----- > From: blml-bounces@amsterdamned.org [mailto:blml-bounces@amsterdamned.org] > On Behalf Of Noel & Pamela > Sent: 1. juli 2005 18:02 > To: 'Sven Pran'; 'blml' > Subject: RE: [blml] Card dealing programs - was:Buratti- > Lanzarottidisqualified! > > Then you are using a deficient card dealing program. > > _______________________________ > > I agree - the dealing program used here worries me - that was my point. > > [I don't care about 5/5 and 6/5 distributions - human dealt boards produce > many, many too few of those. It's the HCP distribution where I have > issues. > Of course, some players have noted that in the major Teams event held in > Canberra in January, over 14 x 20 board matches (or 1120 hands) until this > year, you can almost guarantee several 8 card suits and the occasional 9 > card suit, regularly each year. Seems a bit too frequent to me. Anyone > know the odds of an 8 or 9 card suit? We had two last weekend, so maybe > they are more common than I think.] > > regards, > Noel > > -----Original Message----- > From: blml-bounces@amsterdamned.org [mailto:blml-bounces@amsterdamned.org] > On Behalf Of Sven Pran > Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 1:28 AM > To: blml > Subject: RE: [blml] Card dealing programs - was: > Buratti-Lanzarottidisqualified! > > > > On Behalf Of Noel & Pamela > > Lanzarottidisqualified! > > One can always find short term 'patterns' in a random process. I > > would be surprised if DEALER did not seem to have short term patterns. > > > > Wayne > > > > _____________ > > > > Nice, but consider this: > > > > Boards are generally dealt in sets of 32 here. In a night we might > > play 3 x 10 board matches. If I sit, say South, in the first two > > matches, and I have had an average of 7.5 points in those matches, > > I'm pretty much guaranteed to be doing a lot of bidding in the last > > match if I stay in the South seat for the last match. Of course, > > all the extra points might be in the 2 boards not played (or 5 if > > its 3 x 9). > > > > It happens much too often to my liking... > > > > [Not every time, but too often...] > > > > Now, 32 boards are far too few to produce any meaningful statistics, but > one > of the tests I do is to check for serial correlation in the random data > stream. > > If you use my DEALER to generate a set of 32 boards and find that over the > first 20 boards South has an average of 7,5 HCP per board you will still > find that the average HCP per board in South over the remaining boards > will > be 10 HCP in the long run. However you should not forget that the probable > deviation from this average over such a small sample can be really a > significant amount of HCP! > > Regards Sven > > > _______________________________________________ > blml mailing list > blml@amsterdamned.org http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > > > _______________________________________________ > blml mailing list > blml@amsterdamned.org > http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml From blml at blakjak.com Fri Jul 1 18:58:53 2005 From: blml at blakjak.com (David Stevenson) Date: Fri Jul 1 19:02:12 2005 Subject: [blml] Buratti - Lanzarotti disqualified! In-Reply-To: <000201c57d73$1633c610$6400a8c0@WINXP> References: <001201c57d6c$686fe230$b4300952@AnnesComputer> <000201c57d73$1633c610$6400a8c0@WINXP> Message-ID: Sven Pran wrote >> On Behalf Of Anne Jones >............... >> I know when I, as TD, with the sanction of the NA, disqualified a player >> from the remainder of a tournament, rather than the session, for cause, >> pending an NA disciplinary hearing, I disqualified the whole of the team. >> >> I can tell you that when I made the necessary announcement it was greeted >> with sadness, certainly not applause. > >Law 91 specifically empowers the Director to suspend a contestant for a >session or any part thereof (L91A) or to disqualify a contestant subject to >the approval by the TC or SO (L91B). > >The definition of a "contestant" (as given in the laws) is in an individual >event a player, in a pair event two players playing as partners and in a >team event four or more players playing as team-mates. > >So there was no option here to disqualify just one pair, a disqualification >must apply to the entire team. =========================================================== EBU White book 2004 91.2 DIC's right to disqualify or suspend individual players in EBU events The EBU has given its authority to DICs to suspend or disqualify an individual player, and let the rest of the pair or team continue, subject to any substitution agreed by the DIC. This is a regulation under Law 80F. Example A player says some unacceptable things while playing a Swiss Teams match, which shocks his partner as much as his opponents. There is an even number of teams and this is a team of five players. The DIC might decide it is in everyone else?s best interests to let the other four continue despite disqualifying the offending player. =========================================================== When this was discussed there were two reasons why it was decided. First, because to disqualify the complete team was not necessarily in "everyone else?s best interests". But the other reason was that we know that other authorities disqualify individual members without disqualifying the whole team - see, for example, ACBL Zero Tolerance regulations. 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[Aside - on errors in printed law] In-Reply-To: <000001c57e4b$ff500b50$6401a8c0@noeltsui0kso1i> References: <6.1.1.1.0.20050630130402.02af6e00@pop.starpower.net> <000001c57e4b$ff500b50$6401a8c0@noeltsui0kso1i> Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.0.20050701143234.02b036c0@pop.starpower.net> At 10:48 AM 7/1/05, Noel wrote: >Perhaps I'm being parochial, but in the US the law is the law. If >Congress passes a law with a printing error that completely distorts >its meaning, it is still the law of the land, at least until Congress >passes another law, published normally like any other, that corrects >the misprint (which, BTW, they do routinely, very quickly, and quite >often). > >_______________________ > >In most Commonwealth countries, the law, in the form of an Act as >passed by >Parliament (and signed by the Governor-General or the Queen in some >cases), >is the law no matter what is 'printed'. Courts have been known to >call for >what is known as the 'Assent' [as in Royal assent] copy held by the >Executive Council Secretariat in cases where the actual wording of the law >is in dispute. I doesn't happen very often, but it has happened. > >Distinguishing what you mean between 'publishing' and 'passing' a law >might >be important here - if a law is 'passed' with an error in it, that is >a very >different matter. > >[One of my roles is responsibility for printing the law in Australia.] > >[Note that laws not directly made by the Parliament, but by Ministers or >officials who have been delegated the power to do so, follow a >different set >of rules. See www.comlaw.gov.au] To someone accustomed to parliamentary government, the law-making process in the U.S. Congress is complex to the point of absurdity. A lot of stuff happens. Eventually, though, out comes a "Final Bill", which is printed. Copies go everywhere, and are publically available (for a price) from the U.S. Government Printing Office. It is that Final Bill which either becomes a Law, if it is passed (unaltered) by both Houses of Congress and signed by the President, or doesn't. Once a new Law is passed, it goes through an entirely separate process in which a bunch of lawyers analyze it to death, and eventually incorporate its provisions into a massive compendium of U.S. federal law called the "U.S. Code"; this is what then actually gets read and studied by lawyers, judges and the like. The people who do this find and document any spelling errors, misplaced punctuation, and so on, and determine the necessary corrections, which are compiled into the "technical correction" bills that routinely find their way through Congress, and are subsequently incorporated into the U.S.C. Eric Landau ehaa@starpower.net 1107 Dale Drive (301) 608-0347 Silver Spring MD 20910-1607 From blml at blakjak.com Fri Jul 1 21:05:37 2005 From: blml at blakjak.com (David Stevenson) Date: Fri Jul 1 21:08:30 2005 Subject: [blml] Buratti - Lanzarotti disqualified! In-Reply-To: <001701c57d85$079e62b0$b4300952@AnnesComputer> References: <18015743.1120138989419.JavaMail.www@wwinf3201> <001701c57d85$079e62b0$b4300952@AnnesComputer> Message-ID: Anne Jones wrote >When you say "some years ago" do you mean before the 1995 book? Will we >see it reflected in the next book please? >I am fortunate that I had good and witnessed evidence that the results >of 5/6 matches had been affected, so regardless of who left, I don't >think any results should have stood. >In a situation where only one (I use 'only' to isolate not minimise >worth) match is affected, I can see there may be a reason to allow the >team to continue if the Laws allow it. It is quite important that we >should to be informed if they do - and I am sure I have not been., and >even Sven - who knows more than I do, wasn't aware of this. As I pointed out in another post, the EBU White book permits such action, so you have an authority to disqualify the player only. -- David Stevenson Bridge RTFLB Cats Railways /\ /\ Liverpool, England, UK Fax: +44 870 055 7697 @ @ ICQ 20039682 bluejak on OKB =( + )= Lawspage: http://blakjak.com/lws_menu.htm ~ From blml at blakjak.com Fri Jul 1 21:18:29 2005 From: blml at blakjak.com (David Stevenson) Date: Fri Jul 1 21:21:54 2005 Subject: [blml] Buratti - Lanzarotti disqualified! In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.0.20050630130402.02af6e00@pop.starpower.net> References: <6279264.1120147186855.JavaMail.www@wwinf3202> <6.1.1.1.0.20050630130402.02af6e00@pop.starpower.net> Message-ID: Eric Landau wrote >Perhaps I'm being parochial, but in the US the law is the law. Oh? And yet, the Law we are discussing is *not* followed in the ACBL - see the Zero Tolerance regs, which allow a player to be disqualified without disqualifying his team. > If Congress passes a law with a printing error that completely >distorts its meaning, it is still the law of the land, at least until >Congress passes another law, published normally like any other, that >corrects the misprint (which, BTW, they do routinely, very quickly, and >quite often). I think that even in the USA laws get interpreted in various ways. -- David Stevenson Bridge RTFLB Cats Railways /\ /\ Liverpool, England, UK Fax: +44 870 055 7697 @ @ ICQ 20039682 bluejak on OKB =( + )= Lawspage: http://blakjak.com/lws_menu.htm ~ From blml at blakjak.com Fri Jul 1 21:21:10 2005 From: blml at blakjak.com (David Stevenson) Date: Fri Jul 1 21:24:34 2005 Subject: [blml] Buratti - Lanzarotti disqualified! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: RJH wrote >Wayne Burrows: > >[snip] > >>Without this I am left with an uneasy feeling that >>whenever a competent player makes an anti-percentage >>play for no particular reason > >[snip] > >>To my mind what I read would not pass even a "balance >>of probabilities" test that in fact something untoward >>had occurred. > >Richard Hills: > >I am pleased to discover that Wayne is an expert with a >optimistically wholesome and childlike approach to life. > >As a more cynical and pessimistic expert, I believe that >a player who makes an anti-percentage play for "no >particular reason" is ipso facto *not* a "competent >player". Experts tend to do things for reasons they cannot express. I think you have over-simplified this - more likely it is word-play than any meaningful idea. When anyone does something he has a reason for it. -- David Stevenson Bridge RTFLB Cats Railways /\ /\ Liverpool, England, UK Fax: +44 870 055 7697 @ @ ICQ 20039682 bluejak on OKB =( + )= Lawspage: http://blakjak.com/lws_menu.htm ~ From blml at blakjak.com Fri Jul 1 21:24:24 2005 From: blml at blakjak.com (David Stevenson) Date: Fri Jul 1 21:27:55 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-16-TD PANELS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: wrote > > > > >David Stevenson: > >>Interesting. The majority view outside Australia these days is >>that player consultation is excellent for judging bridge >>judgement cases. The people who think it is a matter of adding >>up and counting heads miss the point, certainly, but the >>opinion of one or two players certainly helps. > >Richard Hills: > >Is David Stevenson is referring to the procedure for deciding >logical alternatives at the Aussie Summer Festival of Bridge? > >In the Summer Festival of Bridge there _is_ player consultation >before a TD gives Law 16 judgement ruling. The fact that the >half-dozen players consulted are currently acting as fellow TDs >does not disqualify them as peers. (Indeed, one Aussie CTD is >more than my peer, since he has played internationally for the >Australian Open Team on several occasions.) Times change. Last I heard, player consultation was considered unacceptable in Australia "because the player might have an interest in the competition". -- David Stevenson Bridge RTFLB Cats Railways /\ /\ Liverpool, England, UK Fax: +44 870 055 7697 @ @ ICQ 20039682 bluejak on OKB =( + )= Lawspage: http://blakjak.com/lws_menu.htm ~ From blml at blakjak.com Fri Jul 1 21:26:34 2005 From: blml at blakjak.com (David Stevenson) Date: Fri Jul 1 21:32:05 2005 Subject: [blml] Re: In-Reply-To: <42C4AB9B.5040105@cfa.harvard.edu> References: <200506301414.j5UEEjkY023983@cfa183.cfa.harvard.edu> <42C4AB9B.5040105@cfa.harvard.edu> Message-ID: Steve Willner wrote >> From: David Stevenson >> The majority view outside Australia these days is that >> player consultation is excellent for judging bridge judgement cases. The >> people who think it is a matter of adding up and counting heads miss the >> point, certainly, but the opinion of one or two players certainly helps. > >Indeed. Of course you have to ask the question properly (for example >asking what alternatives are considered, not just which single one is >selected), and you have to know what standard to apply to the results. >As David wrote, it isn't a simple matter of counting heads. Still, if >five out of six players polled choose pass, you can be fairly sure pass >is a LA in any jurisdiction. Where you have to be careful is in a >strict jurisdiction such as North America. Even if none out of six >passes, pass may still be a LA here. > >> Is that why ACBL AC reports refer to the length of time taken? In >> much of the world the question is whether there is a BIT or not: the >> amount of the BIT being deemed irrelevant. > >I don't understand this. Doesn't a half-second hitch often carry very >different information than a 20-s tank? Yes, both may be breaks in >tempo, and some of the time they may suggest the same thing, but I >would think quite often they suggest very different hand types and thus >very different actions to be "carefully avoided." Half-second hitches hardly a BITs in normal cases. But i have read of cases where there have been quite vociferous and ongoing arguments as to whether the pause was "no more than 20 seconds" or "at least two minutes". Since both of those are clear BITs, who cares and why? -- David Stevenson Bridge RTFLB Cats Railways /\ /\ Liverpool, England, UK Fax: +44 870 055 7697 @ @ ICQ 20039682 bluejak on OKB =( + )= Lawspage: http://blakjak.com/lws_menu.htm ~ From toddz at att.net Fri Jul 1 21:31:10 2005 From: toddz at att.net (Todd M. Zimnoch) Date: Fri Jul 1 21:33:29 2005 Subject: [blml] Re: WBFLC procedure. In-Reply-To: <31235312.1120213302148.JavaMail.www@wwinf3103> References: <31235312.1120213302148.JavaMail.www@wwinf3103> Message-ID: <42C599FE.5070709@att.net> Grattan Endicott wrote: > +=+ > Obviously, Richard, you know better than I do. > Or is yours also merely a personal opinion? > However, my point is taken somewhere in a > meeting of the WBFLC which is a corporate > and continuing body. > ~ Grattan ~ +=+ > ======================================== > Message date : Jul 01 2005, 01:15 AM >>From : richard.hills@immi.gov.au > To : blml@rtflb.org > >>+=+ Any prior minute still applicable remains >>valid until varied. >>~ Grattan ~ +=+ While there's a risk in oversight during the once-every-10-years revision of the law, missing some official modification or nuanced interpretation that has been made inbetween, I'm confident that the WBFLC is capable of the task and believe it should issue the next version of the Laws initially as an unadulterated, clean slate. -Todd From svenpran at online.no Fri Jul 1 21:55:00 2005 From: svenpran at online.no (Sven Pran) Date: Fri Jul 1 21:57:06 2005 Subject: [blml] Buratti - Lanzarotti disqualified! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c57e76$c3fb1560$6400a8c0@WINXP> > On Behalf Of David Stevenson ................ > When anyone does something he has a reason for it. That is what I call an exaggeration! 8-) Regards Sven From ehaa at starpower.net Fri Jul 1 22:18:26 2005 From: ehaa at starpower.net (Eric Landau) Date: Fri Jul 1 22:16:38 2005 Subject: [blml] Buratti - Lanzarotti disqualified! In-Reply-To: References: <6279264.1120147186855.JavaMail.www@wwinf3202> <6.1.1.1.0.20050630130402.02af6e00@pop.starpower.net> Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.0.20050701155518.02aff590@pop.starpower.net> At 03:18 PM 7/1/05, David wrote: >Eric Landau wrote > >>Perhaps I'm being parochial, but in the US the law is the law. > > Oh? And yet, the Law we are discussing is *not* followed in the > ACBL - see the Zero Tolerance regs, which allow a player to be > disqualified without disqualifying his team. The comment David cites was about "real" laws passed by the U.S. Congress. To the best of my knowledge, the laws of duplicate bridge are not yet U.S. federal law. Indeed, TFLB is not even a product of the U.S. (thus more analogous to a treaty than to a law), whose NCBO does or doesn't recognize the authority of the WBF to interpret it depending on the context in which one asks. (Their official policy, when it's convenient, is that only the ACBLLC has the authority to interpret TFLB within ACBL jurisdiction.) I do not even argue that the ACBL (or the WBF) acts rationally in this regard, much less in accordance with common principles of jurisprudence. >> If Congress passes a law with a printing error that completely >> distorts its meaning, it is still the law of the land, at least >> until Congress passes another law, published normally like any >> other, that corrects the misprint (which, BTW, they do routinely, >> very quickly, and quite often). > > I think that even in the USA laws get interpreted in various ways. Of course they do. But what is being interpreted in various ways is the words -- even the punctuation -- of those laws, exactly as they have been printed in the "lawbook" (the U.S. Code). A lawyer who attempted to argue in court (other than at the Supreme Court level, in certain types of cases) that a law should be interpreted in contradiction to its actual words based on the "intent" of its authors would be laughed out of court. Eric Landau ehaa@starpower.net 1107 Dale Drive (301) 608-0347 Silver Spring MD 20910-1607 From toddz at att.net Fri Jul 1 22:17:27 2005 From: toddz at att.net (Todd M. Zimnoch) Date: Fri Jul 1 22:19:32 2005 Subject: Fw: [blml] Buratti - Lanzarotti disqualified! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42C5A4D7.7000003@att.net> Roger Pewick wrote: > Consider your premise for the case at hand. 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From blml at blakjak.com Fri Jul 1 23:38:35 2005 From: blml at blakjak.com (David Stevenson) Date: Fri Jul 1 23:41:43 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-15 In-Reply-To: <00ac01c57aad$b3d46820$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> References: <004101c57a7a$e18f7080$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20050626155823.033dcae8@mail.comcast.net> <00ac01c57aad$b3d46820$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> Message-ID: Marvin French wrote >Claimers do not get benefit of doubt, conceders do not get benefit of >doubt, and that's the difference between L69B and L71C. Wrong law numbers, wrong conclusion. When a claim is contested and there is no acquiescence, claimers do not get the benefit of the doubt, see L69A, L70A et al. But when acquiescence is withdrawn under L69B the benefit of doubt goes to the claimer. -- David Stevenson Bridge RTFLB Cats Railways /\ /\ Liverpool, England, UK Fax: +44 870 055 7697 @ @ ICQ 20039682 bluejak on OKB =( + )= Lawspage: http://blakjak.com/lws_menu.htm ~ From blml at blakjak.com Fri Jul 1 23:43:04 2005 From: blml at blakjak.com (David Stevenson) Date: Fri Jul 1 23:46:23 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-15 In-Reply-To: <00bd01c57c6d$45c5d640$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> References: <00bd01c57c6d$45c5d640$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> Message-ID: <6nmxrQDojbxCFwu3@blakjak.demon.co.uk> Marvin French wrote >Gordon Bower wrote: >> >> Must say I am surprised to see this appeal stirring such >> controversy. It looks like a classic case of "11 tricks if you >>contest the claim immediately, 12 if you don't." > >Can't find that in the Laws. > >Okay, I am going to say this one more time as plainly as I can and >then I am not going to participate in any further discussions about it >on BLML. Just don't have the time. Danny Kleinman, bridge genius, >together with a retired teacher of the English language (BA, MA), both >say I'm right and that's enough for me. I am surprised that a simple interpretation that is well known to TDs and is based on a clear and unambiguous Law would be challenged. L69B allows acquiescence to be withdrawn if [a] his side *has* won a trick that he has acquiesced as having lost, or [b] no normal line of play gives him a trick Now you can argue 'any' does not mean 'any', but I doubt you really can convince anyone! -- David Stevenson Bridge RTFLB Cats Railways /\ /\ Liverpool, England, UK Fax: +44 870 055 7697 @ @ ICQ 20039682 bluejak on OKB =( + )= Lawspage: http://blakjak.com/lws_menu.htm ~ From blml at blakjak.com Fri Jul 1 23:45:46 2005 From: blml at blakjak.com (David Stevenson) Date: Fri Jul 1 23:49:03 2005 Subject: [blml] rule of 18 In-Reply-To: <42C5375C.600@oracle.com> References: <42C5375C.600@oracle.com> Message-ID: <1Heyj6DKmbxCFwMP@blakjak.demon.co.uk> Koen Grauwels wrote >Suppose your Bidding rules document (Belgian) starts with: > >Rule of 18: >Values generally accepted for 1-level opening are: total of HCP + >number of cards in 2 longest suits is at least 18. > >You have NV/V in 1st seat: >Axxxxx-x-x-Qxxxx (17 pts on rule of 18) > >And you open 1S. You have no agreement about this with your partner and >your normal 1-level opening bids do promise 12 HCP (or 10/11 with >compensating distribution). >But you did not know what to do with this hand and decided to open 1S >because you only have 7 loosers. After you opened 1S the opponents go >to 4H doubled -2 for 0% MP result for them (and 100% for you). > >Question: >- Is it allowed to open the above hand with 1S if you don't have an >agreeement about it with your partner? Can it be considered a psyche >that is allowed even if rule of 18 applies? Depends on the regulations of the Belgian Federation in this circumstance: failing the regulations, their edicts and training on the matter: failing that, case Law. >- What is penalty of violating rule of 18? You adjust to best result >that is possible/probable for the opponents? Depends on the regulations of the Belgian Federation in this circumstance: failing the regulations, their edicts and training on the matter: failing that, case Law. -- David Stevenson Bridge RTFLB Cats Railways /\ /\ Liverpool, England, UK Fax: +44 870 055 7697 @ @ ICQ 20039682 bluejak on OKB =( + )= Lawspage: http://blakjak.com/lws_menu.htm ~ From ereppert at rochester.rr.com Fri Jul 1 23:49:15 2005 From: ereppert at rochester.rr.com (Ed Reppert) Date: Fri Jul 1 23:51:24 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-05 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0EC61465-D61B-428B-A127-16827AD4D06E@rochester.rr.com> On Jun 30, 2005, at 9:39 PM, richard.hills@immi.gov.au wrote: > Passing 5H might just barely possibly have been a logical > alternative for West, given that West lacked both the ace > and the king of trumps, and 6H failed by *two* tricks when > the king of trumps was offside. > > :-) Well, I'm not too good at figuring out LAs, especially for better players than I. But it seems to me that while your first criterion, that West lacked the top two trumps, makes sense, but that the second, the end result of the contract, does not. There are many hands where such-and-such contract should be bid, even if it goes down. Not saying that this is such a case, just that the actual result on a hand has little, if anything, to do with whether there were logical alternatives to whatever call is in question. It occurs to me that you may be trying to (gently :) suggest that any idiot can see that passing is an LA - and maybe it is. But I'm not just any idiot - I'm unique. :-) From ereppert at rochester.rr.com Fri Jul 1 23:53:41 2005 From: ereppert at rochester.rr.com (Ed Reppert) Date: Fri Jul 1 23:55:50 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-05 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7DE2FB89-CD22-4530-A3E7-714D302191E2@rochester.rr.com> On Jul 1, 2005, at 12:34 AM, richard.hills@immi.gov.au wrote: > In my opinion, Ed is fallaciously treating "demonstrably suggested" > as an _absolute_ fact, rather than as a _comparative_ fact. > > The relevant Law 16 phrase is: > > ".....the partner may not choose from among logical alternative > actions one that could demonstrably have been suggested **over > another** by the extraneous information." > > Ergo, if *all* of the logical alternatives are equally suggested by > UI, then none of them would be demonstrably suggested "over another". I did not say anything about "equally suggested". But I was thinking of a (hypothetical, iirc) case that was posted here a while back. As I recall, there were three logical alternatives, A, B and C, and it was posited that A was demonstrably suggested over B, B was demonstrably suggested over C, and C was demonstrably suggested over A. Now what? From ereppert at rochester.rr.com Sat Jul 2 00:00:22 2005 From: ereppert at rochester.rr.com (Ed Reppert) Date: Sat Jul 2 00:02:30 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-16-TD PANELS In-Reply-To: <017401c57e0e$54a0e680$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> References: <005301c57b5c$5eab00c0$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> <006501c57c17$3afc1c20$a1255244@craigjkd4vrl7u> <004d01c57ccf$cbee6540$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> <017401c57e0e$54a0e680$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> Message-ID: <4E315EB8-56D0-4B75-94B3-FBDD673610DA@rochester.rr.com> On Jul 1, 2005, at 3:27 AM, Marvin French wrote: > "Demonstrably suggested" used to be "reasonably suggested." I don't > think the word should be taken so literally that a demonstration is > expected. It was thought to be a better word than "reasonably," which > prompted many to go into reasoning that went too far. Its intended > meaning seems to be the obsolescent one, which is "apparently," or > "evidently." > > What I tell players is not to take an action that might look like it > was prompted by the UI unless there is no LA. I think that conveys the > intent of L16A in simple language. An eminently reasonable approach, IMO. But... every UI ruling I've seen so far seems to take for granted that something or other is "demonstrably suggested" just because the TD, or a "damaged" opponent, or somebody on an AC, says so. While I would not expect everyone to always dot every i and cross every t, it seems to me that this current situation can lead to an awful lot of "there was UI, therefore there shall be a score adjustment" rulings - and that's just wrong. :-) From ereppert at rochester.rr.com Sat Jul 2 00:19:52 2005 From: ereppert at rochester.rr.com (Ed Reppert) Date: Sat Jul 2 00:22:00 2005 Subject: [blml] Re: WBFLC procedure. In-Reply-To: <31235312.1120213302148.JavaMail.www@wwinf3103> References: <31235312.1120213302148.JavaMail.www@wwinf3103> Message-ID: <9BF3541D-7849-4887-B760-020C0DF3B1D8@rochester.rr.com> On Jul 1, 2005, at 6:21 AM, Grattan Endicott wrote: > Obviously, Richard, you know better than I do. > Or is yours also merely a personal opinion? > However, my point is taken somewhere in a > meeting of the WBFLC which is a corporate > and continuing body. 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In-Reply-To: <000201c57e4c$0090efc0$6401a8c0@noeltsui0kso1i> References: <000401c57d85$f62e9ee0$6400a8c0@WINXP> <000201c57e4c$0090efc0$6401a8c0@noeltsui0kso1i> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050701212208.034fa4c0@mail.comcast.net> At 10:48 AM 7/1/2005, Noel & Pamela wrote: >One can always find short term 'patterns' in a random process. I would be >surprised if DEALER did not seem to have short term patterns. > >Wayne > >_____________ > >Nice, but consider this: > >Boards are generally dealt in sets of 32 here. In a night we might play 3 x >10 board matches. If I sit, say South, in the first two matches, and I have >had an average of 7.5 points in those matches, I'm pretty much guaranteed to >be doing a lot of bidding in the last match if I stay in the South seat for >the last match. Of course, all the extra points might be in the 2 boards >not played (or 5 if its 3 x 9). It happens much too often to my liking... >[Not every time, but too often...] I wouldn't expect this from any random or pseudo-random number generator, and I suspect that if you check the hand records and do a statistical test, you'll find no effect. Boards are generated in sets of 32, but the generator isn't trying to balance a single set of 32; it is just generating 32 boards from a single sequence. If the random-number generation isn't perfect, it will show the same bias on all hands, not a bias towards some total on all 32 hands. On the other hand, if a human is selecting the hands, you might see this effect; the human could see that South is not getting any high cards, and decide to choose additional hands to make things more fair. From emu at fwi.net.au Sat Jul 2 03:30:28 2005 From: emu at fwi.net.au (Noel & Pamela) Date: Sat Jul 2 03:32:28 2005 Subject: [blml] Buratti - Lanzarotti disqualified! In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.0.20050701155518.02aff590@pop.starpower.net> Message-ID: <000101c57ea5$a1eee9e0$6401a8c0@noeltsui0kso1i> A lawyer who attempted to argue in court (other than at the Supreme Court level, in certain types of cases) that a law should be interpreted in contradiction to its actual words based on the "intent" of its authors would be laughed out of court. _________________ Hmmm. I don't think so - many lawyers argue exactly that, and in some cases they win. This is sometimes the case where a Court wants to get a specific outcome, for various reasons often based on morality or conservatism or radicalism of Judges, or political expediency (often in times of War or disaster) or sometimes sheer perversity [Judges are not immune]. Legislation is easy to argue about, particularly if the words used are poorly chosen [another more descriptive or less 'loaded' term might have been better], deliberately vague [perhaps to give the Executive more power], or simply badly or loosely drafted [eg. they do not consider every possible case]. Many cases are argued in lower Courts (and then often on appeal to higher Courts where they win surprisingly more often than one would expect) on the basis that the clear intent of the law makers was "exactly the opposite" to what the law actually says and a lot of lawyers [and Judges as well] make a lot of money out of it! Now, Bridge Appeal Committees are another matter entirely! [To get back on topic.] They are more a 'Jury of Peers' - the TD (or CTD) is the sole arbiter of law are they not? regards, Noel From grabiner at alumni.princeton.edu Sat Jul 2 03:48:54 2005 From: grabiner at alumni.princeton.edu (David J. Grabiner) Date: Sat Jul 2 03:50:56 2005 Subject: [blml] Card dealing programs - was: Buratti-Lanzarottidisqualified! In-Reply-To: <000801c57e56$26dcd0e0$6401a8c0@noeltsui0kso1i> References: <000301c57e51$6a2b71d0$6400a8c0@WINXP> <000801c57e56$26dcd0e0$6401a8c0@noeltsui0kso1i> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050701212929.03449420@mail.comcast.net> At 12:01 PM 7/1/2005, Noel & Pamela wrote: >Then you are using a deficient card dealing program. > >_______________________________ > >I agree - the dealing program used here worries me - that was my point. > >[I don't care about 5/5 and 6/5 distributions - human dealt boards produce >many, many too few of those. It's the HCP distribution where I have issues. >Of course, some players have noted that in the major Teams event held in >Canberra in January, over 14 x 20 board matches (or 1120 hands) until this >year, you can almost guarantee several 8 card suits and the occasional 9 >card suit, regularly each year. Seems a bit too frequent to me. Anyone >know the odds of an 8 or 9 card suit? We had two last weekend, so maybe >they are more common than I think.] The probability that South will hold exactly 8 spades on the next deal is C(13,8)C(39,5)/C(52,13) = 13!39!13!39!/52!8!5!5!34!, which is 1/860. Similarly, the probability of of 9 spades is 1/10800. Now consider that there are four players, and each has four suits, and the expected number of 8-card suits per deal is 1/53, and of 9-card suits is 1/670. Thus you should not be surprised to see one or two 8-card suits in a single session, and in the 280-deal Teams game, you expect six 8-card suits every year and one 9-card suit every other year. If there were no 8-card suits in the Teams, you should be suspicious. From emu at fwi.net.au Sat Jul 2 04:09:00 2005 From: emu at fwi.net.au (Noel & Pamela) Date: Sat Jul 2 04:10:55 2005 Subject: [blml] Card dealing programs - was: Buratti -Lanzarottidisqualified! In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050701212208.034fa4c0@mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <000401c57eab$033fd6f0$6401a8c0@noeltsui0kso1i> I wouldn't expect this from any random or pseudo-random number generator, and I suspect that if you check the hand records and do a statistical test, you'll find no effect. Boards are generated in sets of 32, but the generator isn't trying to balance a single set of 32; it is just generating 32 boards from a single sequence. If the random-number generation isn't perfect, it will show the same bias on all hands, not a bias towards some total on all 32 hands. _______________ I agree, that's how it should work. I 'worry' that the program actually ***is*** trying to deliver a balanced 32 board set. [I certainly hope not to keep the customers happy!] regards, Noel _______________________________________________ blml mailing list blml@amsterdamned.org http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml From emu at fwi.net.au Sat Jul 2 06:28:38 2005 From: emu at fwi.net.au (Noel & Pamela) Date: Sat Jul 2 06:30:38 2005 Subject: [blml] Card dealing programs - was:Buratti-Lanzarottidisqualified! In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050701212929.03449420@mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <000c01c57ebe$8594e1a0$6401a8c0@noeltsui0kso1i> Thus you should not be surprised to see one or two 8-card suits in a single session, and in the 280-deal Teams game, you expect six 8-card suits every year and one 9-card suit every other year. ________________________________ Thank you. That gives me immense comfort. The 8 card occurrences are consistent with expectations then, but the 9 card suits have been a bit rarer than average, but not significantly. 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From grandeval at vejez.fsnet.co.uk Sat Jul 2 16:55:13 2005 From: grandeval at vejez.fsnet.co.uk (Grattan Endicott) Date: Sat Jul 2 16:57:16 2005 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Re:_[blml]_Re:_WBFLC_=A0procedure.?= Message-ID: <1992414.1120316113097.JavaMail.www@wwinf3201> +=+ There are various attitudes to the subject. My belief is that it is not desirable merely to produce a patched up version of the 1997 laws. If this were the outcome I would consider the exercise a failure. ~ Grattan ~ +=+ ======================================== Message date : Jul 01 2005, 08:40 PM >From : "Todd M. 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Message-ID: <1038318.1120317998321.JavaMail.www@wwinf3201> +=+ I have in writing from Edgar Kaplan his assertion that if a bridge law seems ambiguous reference is to be made to the intent of the drafters. 2. In EBL Championships the regulations provide that the TAC "shall have the power to determine all facts and decide all questions of law". 3. The Bye-laws of the WBF, to which member organizations subscribe, give to its Laws Committee the power to interpret or vary the laws. of duplicate contract bridge. My opinion is that when courts find that a society is acting within the powers agreed among its members they will rarely intervene. I use 'society' in its legal sense. ~ Grattan ~ +=+ ======================================== Message date : Jul 02 2005, 02:48 AM >From : "Noel & Pamela" To : "'Bridge Laws Discussion List'" Copy to : Subject : RE: [blml] Buratti - Lanzarotti disqualified! A lawyer who attempted to argue in court (other than at the Supreme Court level, in certain types of cases) that a law should be interpreted in contradiction to its actual words based on the "intent" of its authors would be laughed out of court. _________________ Now, Bridge Appeal Committees are another matter entirely! 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Doing so is a good idea for two reasons: readers can understand the judgment of whether a BiT occurred, and they can assess for themselves what the BiT was likely to show. > But i have read of > cases where there have been quite vociferous and ongoing arguments as to > whether the pause was "no more than 20 seconds" or "at least two > minutes". Since both of those are clear BITs, who cares and why? I agree that once it's over 15 s or so (without screens), the exact length is unlikely to matter. But there can be a big difference between "a 3-s problem" and "a 30-s problem." With screens things are different. Consider a recent case from Tenerife, where the tray was said to come back in 20 s. That's pretty close to normal tempo, and the AC decided accordingly. Had the delay been two minutes, the decision would likely have been different. 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Kojak ----- Original Message ----- From: Grattan Endicott To: blml@rtflb.org Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 10:55 AM Subject: Re: Re: [blml] Re: WBFLC procedure. +=+ There are various attitudes to the subject. My belief is that it is not desirable merely to produce a patched up version of the 1997 laws. If this were the outcome I would consider the exercise a failure. ~ Grattan ~ +=+ ======================================== Message date : Jul 01 2005, 08:40 PM >From : "Todd M. Zimnoch" I'm confident that the WBFLC is capable of the task and believe it should issue the next version of the Laws initially as an unadulterated, clean slate. -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm _______________________________________________ blml mailing list blml@amsterdamned.org http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050702/8964c37b/attachment.html From schoderb at msn.com Sat Jul 2 18:04:10 2005 From: schoderb at msn.com (WILLIAM SCHODER) Date: Sun Jul 3 09:06:45 2005 Subject: [blml] WBFLC Procedure Message-ID: For some reason best know to the cyberworld, the heading of a series of messages was changed to: "Re: Re: [blml] Re: WBFLC ?procedure." when I replied to all, and held by the BLML for approval. I don't know where the "?" came from. To assure that all addressees receive the messages they are the following: Kojak: Perhaps a "cleaned up" or "reviewed" (word used in the WBF Bylaws) or "updated" (also used in the Bylaws), or "corrected" or "amplified" version is what those various attitudes are striving for, and would be desirable. I, for one, would not consider that a failure nor "patched up". Hopefully there remains room within the exercise for more than any one opinion in arriving at the final outcome. To use Todd Zimnoch's words, "an unadulterated, clean slate" can in fact be obtained without throwing the baby out with the wash water. Kojak ----- Original Message ----- From: Grattan Endicott To: blml@rtflb.org Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 10:55 AM Subject: Re: Re: [blml] Re: WBFLC procedure. +=+ There are various attitudes to the subject. My belief is that it is not desirable merely to produce a patched up version of the 1997 laws. If this were the outcome I would consider the exercise a failure. ~ Grattan ~ +=+ ======================================== Message date : Jul 01 2005, 08:40 PM >From : "Todd M. Zimnoch" I'm confident that the WBFLC is capable of the task and believe it should issue the next version of the Laws initially as an unadulterated, clean slate. -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050702/68a24d9a/attachment.html From schoderb at msn.com Sat Jul 2 18:07:01 2005 From: schoderb at msn.com (WILLIAM SCHODER) Date: Sun Jul 3 09:06:47 2005 Subject: [blml] Re: WBFLC Procedure References: Message-ID: I give up! The BLML says that "RE: WBFLC Procedure" is also a suspicious header. So be it. Kojak ----- Original Message ----- From: WILLIAM SCHODER To: blml ; kooijman Ton ; Jeffrey Polisner ; Max Bavin ; Wignall John ; Gerard Joan ; Cohen Ralph Cc: Schoder William Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 12:04 PM Subject: WBFLC Procedure For some reason best know to the cyberworld, the heading of a series of messages was changed to: "Re: Re: [blml] Re: WBFLC ?procedure." when I replied to all, and held by the BLML for approval. I don't know where the "?" came from. To assure that all addressees receive the messages they are the following: Kojak: Perhaps a "cleaned up" or "reviewed" (word used in the WBF Bylaws) or "updated" (also used in the Bylaws), or "corrected" or "amplified" version is what those various attitudes are striving for, and would be desirable. I, for one, would not consider that a failure nor "patched up". Hopefully there remains room within the exercise for more than any one opinion in arriving at the final outcome. To use Todd Zimnoch's words, "an unadulterated, clean slate" can in fact be obtained without throwing the baby out with the wash water. Kojak ----- Original Message ----- From: Grattan Endicott To: blml@rtflb.org Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 10:55 AM Subject: Re: Re: [blml] Re: WBFLC procedure. +=+ There are various attitudes to the subject. My belief is that it is not desirable merely to produce a patched up version of the 1997 laws. If this were the outcome I would consider the exercise a failure. ~ Grattan ~ +=+ ======================================== Message date : Jul 01 2005, 08:40 PM >From : "Todd M. Zimnoch" I'm confident that the WBFLC is capable of the task and believe it should issue the next version of the Laws initially as an unadulterated, clean slate. -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050702/97e75ec8/attachment.html From svenpran at online.no Sun Jul 3 13:05:49 2005 From: svenpran at online.no (Sven Pran) Date: Sun Jul 3 13:08:29 2005 Subject: [blml] Re: WBFLC Procedure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c57fbf$2bbd6240$6400a8c0@WINXP> Why don't you try to send your messages in plain text form rather than in html (or rich text)? Regards Sven -----Original Message----- From: blml-bounces@amsterdamned.org [mailto:blml-bounces@amsterdamned.org] On Behalf Of WILLIAM SCHODER Sent: 2. juli 2005 18:07 To: blml; kooijman Ton; Jeffrey Polisner; Max Bavin; Wignall John; Gerard Joan; Cohen Ralph; WILLIAM SCHODER Subject: [blml] Re: WBFLC Procedure I give up!? The BLML says that "RE: WBFLC Procedure" is also a ?suspicious header. So be it. ? Kojak From unlock at lasallebank.com Sun Jul 3 16:02:23 2005 From: unlock at lasallebank.com (Lasalle Bank) Date: Sun Jul 3 16:04:31 2005 Subject: [blml] Unlock your ACCOUNT Message-ID: <1120399343.46436.qmail@lasallebank.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050703/6e6c9e0d/attachment.html From ereppert at rochester.rr.com Sun Jul 3 16:08:44 2005 From: ereppert at rochester.rr.com (Ed Reppert) Date: Sun Jul 3 16:10:54 2005 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[blml]_Re:_WBFLC_=A0procedure.?= In-Reply-To: <21742692.1120316849274.JavaMail.www@wwinf3201> References: <21742692.1120316849274.JavaMail.www@wwinf3201> Message-ID: On Jul 2, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Grattan Endicott wrote: > I doubt that either US Navy practice or US Law > is relevant to an organization based in Lausanne, > Switzerland. .However, reference has been made > in its meetings to the continuing state of the > committee and of its decisions until changed. Both US Law and US Navy practice are based on English roots, which again may be irrelevant to an organization based in Switzerland. In any case, I was simply trying to provide some background for my statements. Be that as it may, it appears from what you're saying that it is neither the content of the laws themselves nor the membership of the WBFLC that determines whether that body's decisions continue in effect, but merely the existence of the body itself. So be it; such decisions remain in effect until superseded. I hope that doesn't result in any conflicts (e.g., the WBFLC, under the 1997 laws, said "A", but under the 2006 laws "A" is logically invalid. However, since the WBFLC hasn't officially rescinded their earlier statement, "A" still remains in effect, despite being in conflict with the laws.) As always, it will be important (dare I say imperative) to make sure that everyone concerned, down to the player level, is aware of such decisions. Unfortunately, as US Navy (and probably most other military organizations) tradition would have it, "there is always that 1% who don't get The Word". In the current state of affairs, I'd say the percentage is much higher than 1, though. :-( No, I do not blame the WBFLC for that - not entirely. OTOH, in my experience, when some midlevel in the organizational hierarchy isn't doing its job, somebody higher in the hierarchy kicks its butt - something the WBF is extremely reluctant to do. :-) From ereppert at rochester.rr.com Sun Jul 3 16:10:55 2005 From: ereppert at rochester.rr.com (Ed Reppert) Date: Sun Jul 3 16:13:06 2005 Subject: [blml] Re: WBFLC procedure. In-Reply-To: <000301c57e91$7b525c40$6400a8c0@WINXP> References: <000301c57e91$7b525c40$6400a8c0@WINXP> Message-ID: On Jul 1, 2005, at 7:06 PM, Sven Pran wrote: > I assume his very first act is to "read himself in", i.e. to > formally take > over the command (releasing the previous CO)? 8-) Yep. 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This hand was posted as a counterexample to the assertion that a player in an experienced partnership *always* correctly deduces the meaning of their partner's hesitation, and then *always* infracts Law 73C when applying their deduction. In this case, East was hesitating between Double and 5H. Either: (a) West incorrectly deduced that East was hesitating between 5H and 6H, or (b) West correctly deduced that East's hesitation demonstrably suggested passing 5H, but then therefore applied Law 73C to select the non- suggested logical alternative of 6H. My personal vote would be for (b); my experience of East-West is that both partners are very ethical (albeit very slow) players. As it happened, West's decision swung only one imp. At the other table, North-South bid less enthusiastically (allowing my team-mates to score +620 in 4H), so the only question was whether West would lose 12 imps by passing 5H, or lose 13 imps by bidding on to 6H. Best wishes Richard Hills Movie grognard and paronomasiac From richard.hills at immi.gov.au Tue Jul 5 02:19:50 2005 From: richard.hills at immi.gov.au (richard.hills@immi.gov.au) Date: Tue Jul 5 02:22:07 2005 Subject: [blml] Buratti - Lanzarotti disqualified! In-Reply-To: <200507041303.j64D3Ef6027266@immi.gov.au> Message-ID: Richard Hills: [snip] >>Unless a cow flew by, an expert would not randomly take an >>inferior line without any justification other than the phases of >>the moon. Ron Johnson: >That's a serious overbid. Zero percent plays by world champions >aren't unknown. In the same way that a chess grandmaster >occasionally blunders away a piece (or even overlooks a mate) [snip] Richard Hills: Indeed. In order to win the chess championship of Tasmania, I had to perpetrate a huge number of blunders, since the best way to learn is from your own mistakes. But it seems that Ron is unaware of the phrase "a cow flew by", which I believe was coined by the late Hugh Kelsey to describe zero percent plays by experts (because the expert was distracted from the best line when the expert observed a cow flying by). Therefore, we are in agreement that experts can sometimes make irrational calls or plays (notwithstanding the current WBF interpretation of the footnote to the claim laws). Of course, it is hard to suspend disbelief when *several* cows fly by. An expert has a choice of two lines of play. "A priori" the first line is a 53% chance, the second line is a 44% chance. "A posteriori" - if trumps are known to be breaking 1-3 - the first line is a 25% chance, the second line is a 75% chance. A *timely* cow flies by, and an expert takes the 9% inferior chance when trumps "just happen" to be 1-3. And a *second* cow flies by when an opponent "just happens" to assert that dummy's fingers were strangely arranged. 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Here's the correct diagram: =============== Silodor Open Pairs Second Qualifying Board: 17 Dealer North Vul: none S 96 H Q752 D Q82 C J754 S K1087 S Q4 H A86 H J104 D K975 D J43 C K9 K Q10632 S AJ532 H K93 D A106 C A8 West North East South Pass Pass 1S Pass(1) Pass 2C(2) All Pass 1) Disputed hesitation / gesture 2) Agreed upon BIT =============== Anyone want to alter their views? -- Adam Wildavsky adam@tameware.com http://www.tameware.com From adam at tameware.com Tue Jul 5 06:12:33 2005 From: adam at tameware.com (Adam Wildavsky) Date: Tue Jul 5 06:15:12 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-16 In-Reply-To: <005301c57b5c$5eab00c0$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> References: <005301c57b5c$5eab00c0$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> Message-ID: At 2:08 PM -0700 6/27/05, Marvin French wrote: > TD AC >Total 13 10 out of 17 possible There are only 16 cases. 0 and 16 are the same. 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Where does Law 85 state >>that complainants must arbitrarily be assumed to be liars by a >>naive director when the naive director assesses the facts? >> >>Of course, it is possible that the director was not naive, >>since it is possible that the complainants are notorious for >>being Secretary Birds with unfounded paranoia. >> >>But in that case the director's ruling should have stated that >>the director assessed that the non-complainants' assertions >>were more credible on the preponderance of evidence. The >>director should not have fudged the issue by asserting that >>non-complainants automatically win, which sets a very bad >>precedent for truly naive directors who read this case on blml >>or elsewhere. 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Habitual violations are one way that an implicit agreement may be created. But the current Laws do not mention any other ways. I would argue that one of the most frequent ways to create an implicit agreement is not via habitual *violations* of agreed methods, but rather the opposite - habitual *consistency* of a notionally undiscussed call with agreed methods. See attached anecdote from Jeff Rubens. To encourage full disclosure of methods, it would be useful if the 2007 Laws contained some such reference. Perhaps some sort of paraphrase of clause 9.2 of the ABF Alert regulations could be added to the 2007 Laws. Best wishes Richard Hills Movie grognard and paronomasiac * * * Jeff Rubens, The Bridge World, March 1987, pages 4-5: I am playing in the final of a New York Regional knockout. Very serious business. Serious players. Serious directors. Serious kibitzers. We sit down to shuffle for the first quarter. A serious kibitzer asks if he may examine my convention card. Sure! Card has only a moderate amount to read. Natural and standard. Notrumps are strong. Two-bids are weak. Four-card majors. Most jumps are forcing. Most doubles are for penalties. High cards encourage. Bridge is a simple game. First quarter gets played. Back for the second quarter. Plot thickens. New opponents. New partner. Same kibitzer. Asks for the convention card, almost as an afterthought. Surprise! New card not crowded, but more to read than first card. Natural but nonstandard. Notrumps are weak. Two-bids are strong(!). Five-card majors. Most jumps are nonforcing. Most doubles are for takeout. Low cards encourage. Can this be the same simple game we were playing in the first quarter? Second quarter gets played. Teammates still playing last board. Must wait. Kibitzer expresses amazement I can switch so easily among widely diverse methods, but has greatly overestimated the difficulty. Conversation ensues: J.R.: "It's true I have the advantage of using the different methods fairly regularly, but that isn't what makes it easy to use them both." K.: "I don't see how you can do it without studying all the time. From one to the other, everything is upside-down. You must have a fantastic memory." J.R.: "Not so. You just hit the secret yourself. *Everything* is upside- down, or at least everything likely ever to matter. Each partner has preferred methods that match a personal style, that incorporate certain principles. Neither has merely selected at a whim from a laundry list of possible methods. On top of making each method, individually, not too difficult to remember, the internal consistency allows reliable deductions about new, undiscussed sequences. Do you remember that long sequence we just had to reach the six clubs that needed a three-two trump break? You could see from my hand that I must have been confident partner would take four clubs as forcing, but we've never had that or any analogous sequence. How would you have bid that hand if it had been dealt in the first quarter?" K.: "I guess I would have had to jump in clubs on an earlier round." J.R.: "Exactly. So, if your methods are based on a few general ideas rather than a list of specific agreements, you can remember them relatively easily - it's like having mnemonics - and you can sometimes extend them in emergencies." Teammates arrive. Story ends. From defranchi.henri at wanadoo.fr Tue Jul 5 01:58:17 2005 From: defranchi.henri at wanadoo.fr (Henri DEFRANCHI) Date: Tue Jul 5 07:55:11 2005 Subject: [blml] what do you bid ? Message-ID: <2220986.1120521497929.JavaMail.www@wwinf1530> My first choice is:pass but my second....Too...Other bid seems very strange...As Marvin said:"No dice..." 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What happened at the table was naturally a considerable BIT by west before bidding 5S. East raised this to 6S which was laydown opposite KJ8743-A43-E83-T. NS called the TD after the bid of 6S and later after the board had been completed, claiming damage through use of UI. The TD ruled that the UI didn't demonstrably suggest 6S over pass, that the BIT suggested that west in this sequence was contemplating passing, doubling or bidding 5S. The TD didn't even consider 6S a LA to pass. The ruling was result stands. NS appealed this decision. How would you rule as AC? Regards, Harald Skj?ran _________________________________________________________________ MSN Spaces http://spaces.msn.com/?mkt=nb-no Vis bilder og skriv blogg From haraldskjaran at hotmail.com Tue Jul 5 11:46:13 2005 From: haraldskjaran at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?B?SGFyYWxkIFNrauZyYW4=?=) Date: Tue Jul 5 11:48:21 2005 Subject: [blml] Suggested by UI or not? - was "What do you bid?" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Harald Skj?ran wrote: >Playing in the national swiss teams championship you pick up as east: > >N/Love all > >S AT962 >H J >D K4 >C D9732 > >The bidding: >W N E S >- p 2S p >4S 5D p p >5S p ? > >2S show 6-10 hcp, 5-card spades and 4+ in a minor. > >What do yoy bid? >Do you concider any other bid? > >There will be a follow up story in a few days. What happened at the table was naturally a considerable BIT by west before bidding 5S. East raised this to 6S which was laydown against KJ8743-A43-E83-T. NS called the TD after the bid of 6S and later after the board had been completed, claiming damage through use of UI. The TD ruled that the UI didn't demonstrably suggest 6S over pass, that the BIT suggested that west in this sequence was contemplating passing, doubling or bidding 5S. The TD didn't even consider 6S a LA to pass. The ruling was result stands. NS appealed this decision. How would you rule as AC? Regards, Harald Skj?ran _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger 7.0 http://www.msn.no/messenger Den enkleste og raskeste m?ten ? holde kontakten p? From cibor at poczta.fm Tue Jul 5 12:17:25 2005 From: cibor at poczta.fm (Konrad Ciborowski) Date: Tue Jul 5 12:19:35 2005 Subject: [blml] Suggested by UI or not? - was " What do you bid?" Message-ID: <20050705101725.EC300259998@poczta.interia.pl> > Harald Skj?ran wrote: > > >Playing in the national swiss teams championship you pick up as east: > > > >N/Love all > > > >S AT962 > >H J > >D K4 > >C D9732 > > > >The bidding: > >W N E S > >- p 2S p > >4S 5D p p > >5S p ? > > > >2S show 6-10 hcp, 5-card spades and 4+ in a minor. > > > >What do yoy bid? > >Do you concider any other bid? > > > >There will be a follow up story in a few days. > > What happened at the table was naturally a considerable BIT by west before > > bidding 5S. > East raised this to 6S which was laydown against KJ8743-A43-E83-T. > NS called the TD after the bid of 6S and later after the board had been > completed, claiming damage through use of UI. > > The TD ruled that the UI didn't demonstrably suggest 6S over pass, that > the > BIT suggested that west in this sequence was contemplating passing, > doubling > or bidding 5S. The TD didn't even consider 6S a LA to pass. The ruling was > > result stands. > > NS appealed this decision. > > How would you rule as AC? Result stands. I have nothing to add to the TD's ruling. Good job by him. Raising to 6S is not bridge but I can offer North-South nothing but sympathy for being fixed by a psychopath. Hesitation before 5S doesn't suggest anything. Result stands. __________________ Konrad Ciborowski Krak?w, Poland ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Startuj z INTERIA.PL! >>> http://link.interia.pl/f186c From Guthrie at ntlworld.com Tue Jul 5 12:38:26 2005 From: Guthrie at ntlworld.com (GUTHRIE) Date: Tue Jul 5 12:40:26 2005 Subject: [blml] Suggested by UI or not? - was "What do you bid?" References: Message-ID: <009c01c5814d$adc10460$2a9868d5@James> [Harald Skj?ran] > What happened at the table was naturally a considerable > BIT by west before bidding 5S. East raised this to 6S > which was laydown against KJ8743-A43-E83-T. NS called > the TD after the bid of 6S and later after the board > had been completed, claiming damage through use of UI. > The TD ruled that the UI didn't demonstrably suggest > 6S over pass, that the BIT suggested that west in this > sequence was contemplating passing, doubling or > bidding 5S. The TD didn't even consider 6S a LA to > pass. The ruling was result stands. NS appealed this > decision. How would you rule as AC? [Nigel] IMO, according to current law, both TD and AC should rule that (i) The hesitation suggests values, which are likely to be "transferable" (ii) This unauthorised information makes a bid of 6S safer (iii) Pass is a less successful logical alternative. Hence the result is adjusted to 5S+1. Also, if the TD & AC both reach this same conclusion (as they should), then the AC would impose an AWMW. I do have great sympathy with an (unpopular) couunter-argument, however: When an expert hesitates, he will lean over backwards to bid because he knows that his hesitation imposes such severe constraints on partner. Hence when he hesitates but cannot find a bid, he usually has a rubbishy pudding and is suggesting his partner also passes. Therefore, an ethical partner should bid. Finally, I agree with Marvin, that an experineced pair will usually correctly read unauthorised information from each other. They will be much better at this than a director or third party. So perhaps the law need to be changed to address the break-in-tempo, itself, rather than the alleged use of consequent unathorised information. From cibor at poczta.fm Tue Jul 5 13:47:32 2005 From: cibor at poczta.fm (Konrad Ciborowski) Date: Tue Jul 5 13:49:42 2005 Subject: [blml] Suggested by UI or not? - was " What do you bid?" Message-ID: <20050705114732.E54992599A6@poczta.interia.pl> > [Harald Skjćran] > > What happened at the table was naturally a considerable > > BIT by west before bidding 5S. East raised this to 6S > > which was laydown against KJ8743-A43-E83-T. NS called > > the TD after the bid of 6S and later after the board > > had been completed, claiming damage through use of UI. > > The TD ruled that the UI didn't demonstrably suggest > > 6S over pass, that the BIT suggested that west in this > > sequence was contemplating passing, doubling or > > bidding 5S. The TD didn't even consider 6S a LA to > > pass. The ruling was result stands. NS appealed this > > decision. How would you rule as AC? > > [Nigel] > IMO, according to current law, both TD and AC should rule > that (i) The hesitation suggests values, which are likely to > be "transferable" (ii) This unauthorised information makes a > bid of 6S safer (iii) If the 5S bid was stretched then bidding 6S is not safer at all. The position is equivalent to 1NT - ...3NT ? A slow 3NT bid doesn't suggest that responder has extras and does't make bidding on any more safer. Also bidding both here and in the Harald's story is a gross violation of partnership discipline; an impossible bid. __________________ Konrad Ciborowski Krak?w, Poland ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Startuj z INTERIA.PL! >>> http://link.interia.pl/f186c From Martin.Sinot at Micronas.com Tue Jul 5 14:30:20 2005 From: Martin.Sinot at Micronas.com (Sinot Martin) Date: Tue Jul 5 14:32:31 2005 Subject: [blml] Suggested by UI or not? - was "What do you bid?" Message-ID: <94504F49BF58B0499D108530E98A52050E64F4@rama.micronas.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: blml-bounces@amsterdamned.org > [mailto:blml-bounces@amsterdamned.org] On Behalf Of Harald Skj?ran > Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 11:46 > To: blml@rtflb.org > Subject: [blml] Suggested by UI or not? - was "What do you bid?" > > Harald Skj?ran wrote: > > >Playing in the national swiss teams championship you pick up as east: > > > >N/Love all > > > >S AT962 > >H J > >D K4 > >C D9732 > > > >The bidding: > >W N E S > >- p 2S p > >4S 5D p p > >5S p ? > > > >2S show 6-10 hcp, 5-card spades and 4+ in a minor. > > > >What do yoy bid? > >Do you concider any other bid? > > > >There will be a follow up story in a few days. > > What happened at the table was naturally a considerable BIT > by west before bidding 5S. > East raised this to 6S which was laydown against KJ8743-A43-E83-T. > NS called the TD after the bid of 6S and later after the > board had been completed, claiming damage through use of UI. > > The TD ruled that the UI didn't demonstrably suggest 6S over > pass, that the BIT suggested that west in this sequence was > contemplating passing, doubling or bidding 5S. The TD didn't > even consider 6S a LA to pass. The ruling was result stands. > > NS appealed this decision. > > How would you rule as AC? First, we need to establish what the UI could suggest. I think that it cannot mean that West is considering more than 5S; after all, he bid only 4S in the first place. I would rather think that West considered to pass, or double 5D. In both cases the suggested action, if any, would be to pass now. Therefore East is free to bid 6S. Although I still think it is a ridiculous bid. -- Martin Sinot From ehaa at starpower.net Tue Jul 5 14:37:36 2005 From: ehaa at starpower.net (Eric Landau) Date: Tue Jul 5 14:35:44 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-16-TD PANELS In-Reply-To: <4E315EB8-56D0-4B75-94B3-FBDD673610DA@rochester.rr.com> References: <005301c57b5c$5eab00c0$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> <006501c57c17$3afc1c20$a1255244@craigjkd4vrl7u> <004d01c57ccf$cbee6540$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> <017401c57e0e$54a0e680$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> <4E315EB8-56D0-4B75-94B3-FBDD673610DA@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.0.20050705082220.02bdbcd0@pop.starpower.net> At 06:00 PM 7/1/05, Ed wrote: >On Jul 1, 2005, at 3:27 AM, Marvin French wrote: > >>"Demonstrably suggested" used to be "reasonably suggested." I don't >>think the word should be taken so literally that a demonstration is >>expected. It was thought to be a better word than "reasonably," which >>prompted many to go into reasoning that went too far. Its intended >>meaning seems to be the obsolescent one, which is "apparently," or >>"evidently." >> >>What I tell players is not to take an action that might look like it >>was prompted by the UI unless there is no LA. I think that conveys the >>intent of L16A in simple language. > >An eminently reasonable approach, IMO. But... every UI ruling I've >seen so far seems to take for granted that something or other is >"demonstrably suggested" just because the TD, or a "damaged" >opponent, or somebody on an AC, says so. While I would not expect >everyone to always dot every i and cross every t, it seems to me that >this current situation can lead to an awful lot of "there was UI, >therefore there shall be a score adjustment" rulings - and that's >just wrong. :-) As I understand it, that change in wording was intended to preclude a specific line of reasoning in UI cases where a player has ambiguous unauthorized information which might suggest A over B or might suggest B over A (the classic case is the huddle before a game try, suggesting that partner was considering either a pass or a game force). TDs and ACs were routinely ruling that even though the UI was ambiguous from their point of view, it was reasonable to assume that the player with the UI might know his partner well enough to know which was the more likely cause of the huddle, and would pretty much automatically rule against him on that possibility. Of course, this is an easy trap for TDs and ACs to fall into, since they only see the cases where the call actually taken proved successful. By changing "reasonable" to "demonstrable", the lawmakers tell us not to make any such presumption absent any evidence other than the fact that the player with the UI "guessed right", which simply recognizes that he might be guessing wrong half the time, but the TD/AC will never see those cases. Eric Landau ehaa@starpower.net 1107 Dale Drive (301) 608-0347 Silver Spring MD 20910-1607 From ehaa at starpower.net Tue Jul 5 14:57:35 2005 From: ehaa at starpower.net (Eric Landau) Date: Tue Jul 5 14:55:42 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-05 In-Reply-To: References: <0EC61465-D61B-428B-A127-16827AD4D06E@immi.gov.au> Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.0.20050705084837.02beb540@pop.starpower.net> At 07:51 PM 7/3/05, richard.hills wrote: >Dlr: West >Vul: East-West > > J97 > --- > T876 > AKJT43 >A5 KQ42 >Q9862 AJT7 >AK43 Q52 >Q6 52 > T863 > K543 > J9 > 987 > > >East-West were playing a canape relay system. >North-South were playing Dorothy Acol. > >WEST NORTH EAST SOUTH > Dorothy Richard >1D(1) 3C(2) Dble(3) 4C >4H 5C 5H(4) Pass >6H(4) Pass Pass Pass > >(1) Natural, but possibly holds a longer major > {Since East-West's system uses a strong 1C, > West held maximum values for their opening > bid of 1D.} >(2) Preempt >(3) Negative >(4) Break in tempo > >Question 1: From West's point of view, is passing 5H >a logical alternative? Yes. >Question 2: From West's point of view, does East's >break in tempo demonstrably suggest that 6H will be >a more successful call than Pass? That depends on the E-W methods. In my own preferred methods, a huddle would suggest passing rather than bidding. But many pairs around here play "pass then pull strong", in which case it would suggest exactly the opposite. Eric Landau ehaa@starpower.net 1107 Dale Drive (301) 608-0347 Silver Spring MD 20910-1607 From ehaa at starpower.net Tue Jul 5 15:13:59 2005 From: ehaa at starpower.net (Eric Landau) Date: Tue Jul 5 15:12:07 2005 Subject: [blml] What do you bid? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.0.20050705091020.02bc9d20@pop.starpower.net> At 05:23 AM 7/4/05, Harald wrote: >Playing in the national swiss teams championship you pick up as east: > >N/Love all > >S AT962 >H J >D K4 >C D9732 > >The bidding: >W N E S >- p 2S p >4S 5D p p >5S p ? > >2S show 6-10 hcp, 5-card spades and 4+ in a minor. > >What do yoy bid? Pass. >Do you concider any other bid? No. And I speak with particular authority as probably the only person in this forum who routinely opens 2S with that hand! Eric Landau ehaa@starpower.net 1107 Dale Drive (301) 608-0347 Silver Spring MD 20910-1607 From ehaa at starpower.net Tue Jul 5 15:29:31 2005 From: ehaa at starpower.net (Eric Landau) Date: Tue Jul 5 15:27:38 2005 Subject: [blml] Suggested by UI or not? - was "What do you bid?" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.0.20050705092243.02bddb70@pop.starpower.net> At 05:45 AM 7/5/05, Harald wrote: >Harald Skj?ran wrote: > >>Playing in the national swiss teams championship you pick up as east: >> >>N/Love all >> >>S AT962 >>H J >>D K4 >>C D9732 >> >>The bidding: >>W N E S >>- p 2S p >>4S 5D p p >>5S p ? >> >>2S show 6-10 hcp, 5-card spades and 4+ in a minor. >> >>What do yoy bid? >>Do you concider any other bid? >> >>There will be a follow up story in a few days. > >What happened at the table was naturally a considerable BIT by west >before bidding 5S. >East raised this to 6S which was laydown opposite KJ8743-A43-E83-T. >NS called the TD after the bid of 6S and later after the board had >been completed, claiming damage through use of UI. > >The TD ruled that the UI didn't demonstrably suggest 6S over pass, >that the BIT suggested that west in this sequence was contemplating >passing, doubling or bidding 5S. The TD didn't even consider 6S a LA >to pass. The ruling was result stands. > >NS appealed this decision. > >How would you rule as AC? Uphold the TD's ruling. West's huddle is at least as likely to be caused by fear that 5S is too high as by worry that it's not high enough. Oddly, I'd consider this a much tougher ruling (and incline the other way) if Harald's follow-up had reported a considerable BIT by West before bidding 4S! Eric Landau ehaa@starpower.net 1107 Dale Drive (301) 608-0347 Silver Spring MD 20910-1607 From reacquired at jarvisjohnson.co.uk Tue Jul 5 16:22:21 2005 From: reacquired at jarvisjohnson.co.uk (Rachel) Date: Tue Jul 5 16:24:37 2005 Subject: [blml] The MicroCapJournal Message-ID: <1914131190.4877058625@rainfall.dautkom.lv> Good day to all broker's, Day Trader's and Investor's World s.tock report has become famous with some great stoc?k picks in the otc , small cap market's!!!!!!!!!! Here at World stoc?k Report we work on what we here from the street. 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All factual information in this report was gathered from public sources, including but not limited to SEC filings,Company Websites and Company Press Releases. The publisher of this newsletter believes this informationto be eliable but can make no guarantee as to its accuracy or completeness. Use of the material within this email constitutes your acceptance of these terms. From adam at tameware.com Tue Jul 5 16:54:31 2005 From: adam at tameware.com (Adam Wildavsky) Date: Tue Jul 5 16:56:53 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Correected In-Reply-To: <003201c56f6f$f22fd080$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> References: <003201c56f6f$f22fd080$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> Message-ID: At 9:58 AM -0700 6/12/05, Marvin French wrote: >Sorry everyone, the previous Pittsburgh N-02 case I commented on was >actually from the Orlando NABC. Here is the right one: > >Subject: UI/MI >DIC: Cukoff >Silodor Open Pairs Second Qualifying >Board 3 Dealer South EW vulnerable > > S Q62 > H 6 > D KQJ854 > C 1087 > >S 4 S KJ873 >H QJ10854 H AK3 >D 102 D A76 >C KJ64 C Q2 > > S A1095 > H 972 > D 93 > C A953 > >West North East South > Pass >2H Pass 2NT Pass >3C (1) Pass 3H Pass >4H All Pass > >(1) Alerted and described as bad hand, bad suit. > >Facts: The director was called after the auction. He determined that >North had asked the meaning of 3C and was told that it was a bad hand, >bad suit. If 3C were a feature she would have bid 3D to suggest a >save, but over bad/bad she did not want to risk -300. The final >contract was 4H by West. On the DK opening lead 10 tricks were scored, >+620 for EW. > >Director's Ruling: The director was unable to determine the EW >agreement. It is possible that West had bid 3C to show a feature and >the explanation clarified the misunderstanding and was UI (Law 16). >The contract was changed to 3H +170 EW. > >[mlf] A pretty easy ruling, but how is it that the TD could not >determine the E-W agreement and the AC could?? The convention card has >a place for this, was it there or not? Also, does this partnership >play that West's hand is bad-bad? West's hand looks like a >better-than-minimum weak two bid, as evidenced by East's failure to >bid 4H himself. Whatever the agreement, is there any evidence that 3H >is invitational? No one that I know plays it that way, and it is a >common agreement that a weak two bidder does not bid again unless >forced or invited without a very unusual hand, not just a 6-4. > >The Appeal: East and West were the only players to attend the hearing. >EW contended that the explanation given was correct per their >agreements. > >The Decision: The committee determined that EW were playing Ogust, the >explanation given was correct. With no other indication of an >irregularity, the committee restored the table result of 4H West +620 >EW. > >Committee: Jeff Polisner, Chair, David Berkowitz, Ed Lazarus, Marlene >Passell and Bob White > >[mlf] Having shown a bad-bad hand presumably, why did West bid 4H? If >Ogust was not on the CC (if it had been, the TD would surely have seen >it), then they weren't playing it. An AC should not accept any >testimony that contradicts the CC, if that is how they >"determined.that E-W were playing Ogust." Whatever the agreement, Is >it not obvious that 3C was meant to show a feature, and that the Alert >explanation startled West into realizing that his non-bad-bad hand >should go on to 4H? > >[mlf] We have to know what was on the CC, we have to know whether West >indeed had a bad-bad hand for the partnership's weak twos, and we have >to know whether there was evidence that 3H was invitational. The >writeup gives us none of this information, making it bad-bad. My sources tell me that Ogust was on the EW convention cards. That would make the decision straightforward. I've suggested that the write-up be amended. -- Adam Wildavsky adam@tameware.com http://www.tameware.com From Guthrie at ntlworld.com Tue Jul 5 17:26:45 2005 From: Guthrie at ntlworld.com (GUTHRIE) Date: Tue Jul 5 17:28:46 2005 Subject: [blml] Suggested by UI or not? - was "What do you bid?" References: <6.1.1.1.0.20050705092243.02bddb70@pop.starpower.net> Message-ID: <005401c58175$f56c2830$579868d5@James> Convinced by Konrad's, Sinot's and Eric's arguments, I admit my initial reaction was wrong and the right ruling, according to current law, is that the result should stands. Although the law does not yet take cognizance of the fact, it is remarkable, however, how often experienced opponents do, in practice, correctly interpret each others' hesitations (and mannerisms) to arrive at winning actions, seemingly unjustified by the contents of their own hands. From mfrench1 at san.rr.com Tue Jul 5 17:22:11 2005 From: mfrench1 at san.rr.com (Marvin French) Date: Tue Jul 5 17:28:56 2005 Subject: [blml] French Laws Message-ID: <000f01c58175$be94b2a0$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> Someone please tell me where I can find the French version of the Laws. Marv Marvin L. 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I mean I consider making either the obvious >1S opener or the equally obvious X of 5D but surely it is too late to >change my mind? > >On the presumption that partner may be as insane as the person who made >the first two calls on my behalf I contemplate 6S briefly then pass. mentally shrug, how much more can I have?, bid 6, blame partner for an absurd auction when it goes down. Serves you right for opening this 2S when it's a sound 1 bid even for Eric. > >Tim > > >_______________________________________________ >blml mailing list >blml@amsterdamned.org >http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml -- John (MadDog) Probst| . ! -^- |AIM GLChienFou 451 Mile End Road | /|__. \:/ |BCLive ChienFou London E3 4PA | / @ __) -|- |john:at:asimere:dot:com +44-(0)20 8983 5818 | /\ --^ | |www.asimere.com/~john From john at asimere.com Tue Jul 5 18:47:58 2005 From: john at asimere.com (John (MadDog) Probst) Date: Tue Jul 5 18:51:45 2005 Subject: [blml] Suggested by UI or not? - was "What do you bid?" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In article , Harald Skj?ran writes >Harald Skj?ran wrote: > >>Playing in the national swiss teams championship you pick up as east: >> >>N/Love all >> >>S AT962 >>H J >>D K4 >>C D9732 >> >>The bidding: >>W N E S >>- p 2S p >>4S 5D p p >>5S p ? >> >>2S show 6-10 hcp, 5-card spades and 4+ in a minor. >> >>What do yoy bid? >>Do you concider any other bid? >> >>There will be a follow up story in a few days. > >What happened at the table was naturally a considerable BIT by west before >bidding 5S. >East raised this to 6S which was laydown opposite KJ8743-A43-E83-T. >NS called the TD after the bid of 6S and later after the board had been >completed, claiming damage through use of UI. > >The TD ruled that the UI didn't demonstrably suggest 6S over pass, that the >BIT suggested that west in this sequence was contemplating passing, doubling >or bidding 5S. The TD didn't even consider 6S a LA to pass. The ruling was >result stands. > >NS appealed this decision. > >How would you rule as AC? I'd probably dissent with the other 2 members. 6s seems pretty obvious, but they won't think so. John > > >Regards, >Harald Skj?ran > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Spaces http://spaces.msn.com/?mkt=nb-no Vis bilder og skriv blogg > > >_______________________________________________ >blml mailing list >blml@amsterdamned.org >http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml -- John (MadDog) Probst| . ! -^- |AIM GLChienFou 451 Mile End Road | /|__. \:/ |BCLive ChienFou London E3 4PA | / @ __) -|- |john:at:asimere:dot:com +44-(0)20 8983 5818 | /\ --^ | |www.asimere.com/~john From john at asimere.com Tue Jul 5 18:48:59 2005 From: john at asimere.com (John (MadDog) Probst) Date: Tue Jul 5 18:52:26 2005 Subject: [blml] Suggested by UI or not? - was "What do you bid?" In-Reply-To: <009c01c5814d$adc10460$2a9868d5@James> References: <009c01c5814d$adc10460$2a9868d5@James> Message-ID: In article <009c01c5814d$adc10460$2a9868d5@James>, GUTHRIE writes >[Harald Skj?ran] >> What happened at the table was naturally a considerable >> BIT by west before bidding 5S. East raised this to 6S >> which was laydown against KJ8743-A43-E83-T. NS called >> the TD after the bid of 6S and later after the board >> had been completed, claiming damage through use of UI. >> The TD ruled that the UI didn't demonstrably suggest >> 6S over pass, that the BIT suggested that west in this >> sequence was contemplating passing, doubling or >> bidding 5S. The TD didn't even consider 6S a LA to >> pass. The ruling was result stands. NS appealed this >> decision. How would you rule as AC? > >[Nigel] >IMO, according to current law, both TD and AC should rule >that (i) The hesitation suggests values, which are likely to >be "transferable" (ii) This unauthorised information makes a >bid of 6S safer (iii) Pass is a less successful logical >alternative. Hence the result is adjusted to 5S+1. > >Also, if the TD & AC both reach this same conclusion (as >they should), then the AC would impose an AWMW. totally bizarre. -- John (MadDog) Probst| . ! -^- |AIM GLChienFou 451 Mile End Road | /|__. \:/ |BCLive ChienFou London E3 4PA | / @ __) -|- |john:at:asimere:dot:com +44-(0)20 8983 5818 | /\ --^ | |www.asimere.com/~john From john at asimere.com Tue Jul 5 18:49:48 2005 From: john at asimere.com (John (MadDog) Probst) Date: Tue Jul 5 18:53:06 2005 Subject: [blml] What do you bid? In-Reply-To: <000401c591c9$0b4989f0$b4300952@AnnesComputer> References: <000401c591c9$0b4989f0$b4300952@AnnesComputer> Message-ID: In article <000401c591c9$0b4989f0$b4300952@AnnesComputer>, Anne Jones writes >I pass and do not consider any other call. >I would have expected partner with a good hand to do something better than >4S on the first round. I have bid my hand. You must be joking! I'll fire the waiter. john -- John (MadDog) Probst| . ! -^- |AIM GLChienFou 451 Mile End Road | /|__. \:/ |BCLive ChienFou London E3 4PA | / @ __) -|- |john:at:asimere:dot:com +44-(0)20 8983 5818 | /\ --^ | |www.asimere.com/~john From ehaa at starpower.net Tue Jul 5 18:58:23 2005 From: ehaa at starpower.net (Eric Landau) Date: Tue Jul 5 18:56:31 2005 Subject: [blml] Suggested by UI or not? - was "What do you bid?" In-Reply-To: <005401c58175$f56c2830$579868d5@James> References: <6.1.1.1.0.20050705092243.02bddb70@pop.starpower.net> <005401c58175$f56c2830$579868d5@James> Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.0.20050705124941.0325beb0@pop.starpower.net> At 11:26 AM 7/5/05, GUTHRIE wrote: >Convinced by Konrad's, Sinot's and Eric's arguments, I admit >my initial reaction was wrong and the right ruling, >according to current law, is that the result should stands. > >Although the law does not yet take cognizance of the fact, >it is remarkable, however, how often experienced opponents >do, in practice, correctly interpret each others' >hesitations (and mannerisms) to arrive at winning actions, >seemingly unjustified by the contents of their own hands. We of BLML are (a) TDs, (b) regular AC members, or (c) players who take a particular interest in matters that come before TDs and ACs. 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In-Reply-To: <005401c58175$f56c2830$579868d5@James> Message-ID: >From: "GUTHRIE" >To: "BLML" >Subject: Re: [blml] Suggested by UI or not? - was "What do you bid?" >Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 16:26:45 +0100 > >Convinced by Konrad's, Sinot's and Eric's arguments, I admit >my initial reaction was wrong and the right ruling, >according to current law, is that the result should stands. > >Although the law does not yet take cognizance of the fact, >it is remarkable, however, how often experienced opponents >do, in practice, correctly interpret each others' >hesitations (and mannerisms) to arrive at winning actions, >seemingly unjustified by the contents of their own hands. Current Law certainly does take cognizance of this fact. The bid or play does not have to be suggested by the BIT or UI. The wording of the law is "After a player makes available to his partner extraneous information that *may* suggest a call or play..." 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OK OK ....:-) > Message du 27/06/05 03:03 > De : "Marvin French" > A : blml@rtflb.org > Copie ? : > Objet : Re: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-15 > > > From: "David J. Grabiner" x > > > I would say that the TD got this ruling wrong by applying the right Law > > to the wrong facts, and the AC got it right but stated the ruling badly. > > > > Acquiescence to the loss of a trick can only be withdrawn under the same > > standards as concession of that trick, although there is more time to > > withdraw an acquiescence. > > Same time, they're both per L79C now. The WBFLC made that change a while back > (my notes say), so cross out the obsolete words in L71C. > > An acquiescence is not a concession, the two are different and are > covered by two different laws, L69 and L71. > > > Law 69B: > > "Within the correction period established in accordance with > > Law 79C, a > > contestant may withdraw acquiescence in an opponent's claim, but only if > > he has acquiesced in the loss of a trick his side has actually won, or in > > the loss of trick that could not, in the Director's judgement, be lost by > > any normal play of the remaining cards." > > > > Law 71C: > > "Until the conceding side makes a call on a subsequent board, or until > > the round ends, the Director shall cancel the concession of a trick that > > could not have been lost by any normal play of the remaining cards." > > > > The wording in these two Laws is the same, and thus the meaning of "any" > > should be the same. Suppose that there is one normal line of play on which > > NS win a trick, and another normal line of play on which EW win a trick. > > > > If NS concede the trick, NS cannot withdraw the concession under L71C, > > and EW get the trick. Likewise, if EW claim this trick and NS acquiesce > > to the claim, NS cannot withdraw the acquiescence under L69B, and EW get > > the trick. > > The "any" in L71C means "any and all," which is different from the > "any, no matter which." of L69B. > > How can I tell the difference between these two "anys"? By their > contexts. You certainly can't grant declarer a trick arising from a > faulty claim if the victims come back and point out that declarer > should be deemed to have lost another trick because she might well > have gone wrong, just because some expert on an AC could spot a normal > line of play, possibly inferior, that would give declarer success. The > situation is different in the case of an implausible concession, as > you know. There must be no line of play that would negate the > concession, per L71C. > > Declarer has K10xxx opposite AJxxx trumps and claims five tricks. > Playing either high card first would be normal, but only one play > succeeds against the 3-0 split. Say declarer claims without a > statment, thinking he has eleven trumps, and an opponent doesn't see a > small trump with his Qx. The opponents acquiesce in the claim and > while comparing realize their mistake. Don't tell me declarer gets > five tricks just because there is a normal line of play that would get > them, that's crazy. > > But suppose declarer did not claim and the same player with Qx(x) > conceded all the tricks when declarer laid down a high trump from the > wrong hand. Soon after leaving the table the mistake is realized and > they want a trick back. No dice, because they only get it if all > normal lines of play would give it to them. > > Claimers do not get benefit of doubt, conceders do not get benefit of > doubt, and that's the difference between L69B and L71C. > > Marv > Marvin L. French > San Diego, California > > > > _______________________________________________ > blml mailing list > blml@amsterdamned.org > http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050705/947d5690/attachment-0001.html From defranchi.henri at wanadoo.fr Wed Jul 6 02:33:41 2005 From: defranchi.henri at wanadoo.fr (Henri DEFRANCHI) Date: Wed Jul 6 18:54:26 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-15 Message-ID: <7821541.1120610021074.JavaMail.www@wwinf1304> Declarer has R10xxx opposite AVxxx trumps and claim five tricks.An opponent doesn't see a small trump with Dxx and acquiesce in the claim but later realize his mistake. Law is not clear.IMO best ruling might be ( according law 12 C ) : 50/50 for 4 or 5 tricks.For me it's in accordance with "laws spirit " Is that silly ? OK OK ....:-) > Message du 27/06/05 03:03 > De : "Marvin French" > A : blml@rtflb.org > Copie ? : > Objet : Re: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-15 > > > From: "David J. Grabiner" x > > > I would say that the TD got this ruling wrong by applying the right Law > > to the wrong facts, and the AC got it right but stated the ruling badly. > > > > Acquiescence to the loss of a trick can only be withdrawn under the same > > standards as concession of that trick, although there is more time to > > withdraw an acquiescence. > > Same time, they're both per L79C now. The WBFLC made that change a while back > (my notes say), so cross out the obsolete words in L71C. > > An acquiescence is not a concession, the two are different and are > covered by two different laws, L69 and L71. > > > Law 69B: > > "Within the correction period established in accordance with > > Law 79C, a > > contestant may withdraw acquiescence in an opponent's claim, but only if > > he has acquiesced in the loss of a trick his side has actually won, or in > > the loss of trick that could not, in the Director's judgement, be lost by > > any normal play of the remaining cards." > > > > Law 71C: > > "Until the conceding side makes a call on a subsequent board, or until > > the round ends, the Director shall cancel the concession of a trick that > > could not have been lost by any normal play of the remaining cards." > > > > The wording in these two Laws is the same, and thus the meaning of "any" > > should be the same. Suppose that there is one normal line of play on which > > NS win a trick, and another normal line of play on which EW win a trick. > > > > If NS concede the trick, NS cannot withdraw the concession under L71C, > > and EW get the trick. Likewise, if EW claim this trick and NS acquiesce > > to the claim, NS cannot withdraw the acquiescence under L69B, and EW get > > the trick. > > The "any" in L71C means "any and all," which is different from the > "any, no matter which." of L69B. > > How can I tell the difference between these two "anys"? By their > contexts. You certainly can't grant declarer a trick arising from a > faulty claim if the victims come back and point out that declarer > should be deemed to have lost another trick because she might well > have gone wrong, just because some expert on an AC could spot a normal > line of play, possibly inferior, that would give declarer success. The > situation is different in the case of an implausible concession, as > you know. There must be no line of play that would negate the > concession, per L71C. > > Declarer has K10xxx opposite AJxxx trumps and claims five tricks. > Playing either high card first would be normal, but only one play > succeeds against the 3-0 split. Say declarer claims without a > statment, thinking he has eleven trumps, and an opponent doesn't see a > small trump with his Qx. The opponents acquiesce in the claim and > while comparing realize their mistake. Don't tell me declarer gets > five tricks just because there is a normal line of play that would get > them, that's crazy. > > But suppose declarer did not claim and the same player with Qx(x) > conceded all the tricks when declarer laid down a high trump from the > wrong hand. Soon after leaving the table the mistake is realized and > they want a trick back. No dice, because they only get it if all > normal lines of play would give it to them. > > Claimers do not get benefit of doubt, conceders do not get benefit of > doubt, and that's the difference between L69B and L71C. > > Marv > Marvin L. French > San Diego, California > > > > _______________________________________________ > blml mailing list > blml@amsterdamned.org > http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050706/546f4bcf/attachment-0001.html From conley at yahoo.com Wed Jul 6 19:27:40 2005 From: conley at yahoo.com (Gruber) Date: Wed Jul 6 19:27:41 2005 Subject: [blml] RE: The OEM Software Licensing Site-Photoshop Technologies Message-ID: <002b01c54b50$10e49590$de01a8c0@jdkwd7ssa> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050706/993f86db/attachment.html From conley at yahoo.com Wed Jul 6 19:27:40 2005 From: conley at yahoo.com (Feldman) Date: Wed Jul 6 19:27:44 2005 Subject: [blml] incredible prices for best drugs Message-ID: <002b01c54b50$10e49590$de01a8c0@wlnfnf> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050706/7decb3da/attachment.html From svenpran at online.no Wed Jul 6 21:23:19 2005 From: svenpran at online.no (Sven Pran) Date: Wed Jul 6 21:25:31 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-15 In-Reply-To: <7821541.1120610021074.JavaMail.www@wwinf1304> Message-ID: <000f01c58260$2bbbdad0$6400a8c0@WINXP> On Behalf Of Henri DEFRANCHI Declarer has R10xxx opposite AVxxx trumps and claim five tricks.An opponent doesn't see a small trump with Dxx and acquiesce in the claim but later realize his mistake. Law is not clear.IMO best ruling might be ( according law 12 C ) : 50/50 for 4 or 5 tricks.For me it's in accordance with "laws spirit " The law is clear, you use Law 69B and award the opponent a trick for his Queen only if there is no "normal" play of the remaining cards under which he would not win this trick. Alas, but there is: Declarer has a 50% chance of finding the Queen so the acquiescence stands as made. Notice the important difference from what had happened had the opponent contested the claim: Now there would have been at least one "normal" line of play under which the claimer (declarer) would have lost a trick to the Queen so in that case the opponent should have been awarded that trick. Regards Sven From mfrench1 at san.rr.com Wed Jul 6 21:31:32 2005 From: mfrench1 at san.rr.com (Marvin French) Date: Wed Jul 6 21:35:23 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Write-up Change? References: <003201c56f6f$f22fd080$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> Message-ID: <007301c58261$52557ce0$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> Background: East had bid 2NT Ogust, and West had bid 3C with 4 QJ10854 102 KJ64, and then 4H (successfully) after East's 3H signoff. Issue: Did West mean 3C as showing "bad suit bad hand" or as a "feature"? After East explained 3C as an Ogust response (bad-bad), did West bid 4H because of the UI of East's explanation? >From Marvin French: > >Director's Ruling: The director was unable to determine the EW > >agreement. It is possible that West had bid 3C to show a feature and > >the explanation clarified the misunderstanding and was UI (Law 16). > >The contract was changed to 3H +170 EW. > > > >The Appeal: East and West were the only players to attend the hearing. > >EW contended that the explanation given was correct per their > >agreements. > >The Decision: The committee determined that EW were playing Ogust, the > >explanation given was correct. With no other indication of an > >irregularity, the committee restored the table result of 4H West +620 > >EW. > > >From Adam Wildavsky: > My sources tell me that Ogust was on the EW convention cards. That > would make the decision straightforward. I've suggested that the > write-up be amended. > My source (the writeup) tells me that this is quite likely a CYA statement. If so, the write-up should not be amended. My reasoning: (1) The place on the CC to show Ogust is very prominent. The TD would not have missed it, and E-W would certainly have pointed it out if it was there. No, it wasn't there, although possibly it was added before the AC met. However, (2) At the appeal hearing, E-W did not cite the CC as evidence of their agreement. (3) Having contradicted the TD, the AC surely would have cited the CC if Ogust had been shown on it. (4) Icing on the cake, the 4H bid after a 3H signoff is just too strange. 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Last night, at the South Canberra Bridge Club, the tragedy in Tenerife was echoed when an expert declarer found himself in a small slam with a sure outside loser, a hole in the trump suit, and two plausible ways to play the trumps. Matchpoint pairs Dlr: West Vul: East-West The bidding has gone: WEST NORTH EAST SOUTH Pass 1C(1) 3H 3S Pass 4H Pass 5C Pass 6S Pass Pass Pass (1) Strong club, 15+ hcp with any shape Opening lead: Four of hearts NORTH AQ87 AK9 KJ5 QT9 SOUTH J6532 T AQ A7432 How should an expert declarer draw trumps? Best wishes Richard Hills Movie grognard and paronomasiac From adam at irvine.com Thu Jul 7 02:43:06 2005 From: adam at irvine.com (Adam Beneschan) Date: Thu Jul 7 02:45:15 2005 Subject: [blml] The first time as tragedy, the second as farce In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 07 Jul 2005 10:16:24 +1000." Message-ID: <200507070042.RAA03196@mailhub.irvine.com> Richard wrote: > The bidding has gone: > > WEST NORTH EAST SOUTH > Pass 1C(1) 3H 3S > Pass 4H Pass 5C > Pass 6S Pass Pass > Pass > > (1) Strong club, 15+ hcp with any shape > > Opening lead: Four of hearts > > NORTH > AQ87 > AK9 > KJ5 > QT9 > > > SOUTH > J6532 > T > AQ > A7432 > > How should an expert declarer draw trumps? Off the top of my head, there doesn't appear to be much difference between starting with a low trump from hand, and starting with the jack, planning to take a second finesse if it goes J-K-A-(10 or 9). The first method picks up K, K10, K9, K4; the second picks up K104, K94, K10, K9. The second method might be better, but only by a really tiny fraction. I haven't worked it all out, and I could easily be wrong. -- Adam From richard.hills at immi.gov.au Thu Jul 7 03:07:25 2005 From: richard.hills at immi.gov.au (richard.hills@immi.gov.au) Date: Thu Jul 7 03:09:41 2005 Subject: [blml] Pour soul asking for guidance In-Reply-To: <20050701111304.BC19F173E67@immi.gov.au> Message-ID: Konrad Ciborowski: [snip] >I would appreciate a definite answer as for >who is right and who is wrong. > >Recently the Polish Bridge Union, following >the Torino interpretation, officially >instructed Polish TDs to use L16C2 in cases >the ones above. Richard Hills: I believe that the WBF Laws Committee discussed Law 16C2 at its meeting in 2004 in Istanbul. However, the minutes of that meeting have not yet been published on the WBF website. Grattan, if these minutes are now officially adopted, can you pour some guidance from your font of wisdom? Best wishes Richard Hills Movie grognard and paronomasiac From grabiner at alumni.princeton.edu Thu Jul 7 03:14:49 2005 From: grabiner at alumni.princeton.edu (David J. Grabiner) Date: Thu Jul 7 03:17:02 2005 Subject: [blml] The first time as tragedy, the second as farce In-Reply-To: <200507070042.RAA03196@mailhub.irvine.com> References: <200507070042.RAA03196@mailhub.irvine.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050706205142.03433c20@mail.comcast.net> At 08:43 PM 7/6/2005, Adam Beneschan wrote: >Richard wrote: > > > The bidding has gone: > > > > WEST NORTH EAST SOUTH > > Pass 1C(1) 3H 3S > > Pass 4H Pass 5C > > Pass 6S Pass Pass > > Pass > > > > (1) Strong club, 15+ hcp with any shape > > > > Opening lead: Four of hearts > > > > NORTH > > AQ87 > > AK9 > > KJ5 > > QT9 > > > > > > SOUTH > > J6532 > > T > > AQ > > A7432 > > > > How should an expert declarer draw trumps? > >Off the top of my head, there doesn't appear to be much difference >between starting with a low trump from hand, and starting with the >jack, planning to take a second finesse if it goes J-K-A-(10 or 9). >The first method picks up K, K10, K9, K4; the second picks up K104, >K94, K10, K9. The second method might be better, but only by a really >tiny fraction. I haven't worked it all out, and I could easily be >wrong. The bidding affects the odds. East probably has eight hearts. Thus it is significantly more likely that East has fewer spades, making the second line better. Now, is there a safety issue in the second line? On the first line, declarer only needs to enter his hand once. On the second line, he needs to enter his hand twice if West has KT4, K94, or K4, and East might ruff the second lead if West has K4. However, this is matchpoints. Thus declarer should enter his hand with a diamond for the first finesse; if he enters with a club for the first finesse and loses the finesse, he may go down two if East returns a club to West's king and ruffs the third round. Thus the only hand on which East could get an extra ruff is xx QJTxxxxx xxx -; declarer leads a diamond, then SJ, then tries to return to hand with a club and gets ruffed. But that hand is unlikely because East would have made a Lightner double for a club lead. Thus I believe that the best line is diamond to hand, SJ, club to hand if necessary, and finesse. From adam at irvine.com Thu Jul 7 03:27:15 2005 From: adam at irvine.com (Adam Beneschan) Date: Thu Jul 7 03:29:22 2005 Subject: [blml] The first time as tragedy, the second as farce In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 06 Jul 2005 21:14:49 EDT." <6.2.1.2.0.20050706205142.03433c20@mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <200507070127.SAA03496@mailhub.irvine.com> David wrote: > > > WEST NORTH EAST SOUTH > > > Pass 1C(1) 3H 3S > > > Pass 4H Pass 5C > > > Pass 6S Pass Pass > > > Pass > > > > > > (1) Strong club, 15+ hcp with any shape > > > > > > Opening lead: Four of hearts > > > > > > NORTH > > > AQ87 > > > AK9 > > > KJ5 > > > QT9 > > > > > > > > > SOUTH > > > J6532 > > > T > > > AQ > > > A7432 > > > > > > How should an expert declarer draw trumps? > > > >Off the top of my head, there doesn't appear to be much difference > >between starting with a low trump from hand, and starting with the > >jack, planning to take a second finesse if it goes J-K-A-(10 or 9). > >The first method picks up K, K10, K9, K4; the second picks up K104, > >K94, K10, K9. The second method might be better, but only by a really > >tiny fraction. I haven't worked it all out, and I could easily be > >wrong. > > The bidding affects the odds. East probably has eight hearts. Thus it is > significantly more likely that East has fewer spades, making the second > line better. But an expert declarer would reason in that way only if he actually paid attention to the bidding. I forgot to do that. :) You're right, of course. -- Adam From ardelm at bigpond.net.au Thu Jul 7 03:35:25 2005 From: ardelm at bigpond.net.au (Tony Musgrove) Date: Thu Jul 7 03:37:51 2005 Subject: [blml] The first time as tragedy, the second as farce In-Reply-To: References: <3CDBE4E1-1FF9-4F23-885D-DF59937EABD0@immi.gov.au> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20050707113449.039f67f0@pop-server.bigpond.net.au> How many fingers is my partner showing? At 10:16 AM 7/07/2005, you wrote: >Karl Marx: > > >Hegel says somewhere that all great events and > >personalities in world history reappear in one > >fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first > >time as tragedy, the second as farce. > >Deja vu all over again. Last night, at the South >Canberra Bridge Club, the tragedy in Tenerife was >echoed when an expert declarer found himself in a >small slam with a sure outside loser, a hole in >the trump suit, and two plausible ways to play >the trumps. > >Matchpoint pairs >Dlr: West >Vul: East-West > >The bidding has gone: > >WEST NORTH EAST SOUTH >Pass 1C(1) 3H 3S >Pass 4H Pass 5C >Pass 6S Pass Pass >Pass > >(1) Strong club, 15+ hcp with any shape > >Opening lead: Four of hearts > >NORTH >AQ87 >AK9 >KJ5 >QT9 > > >SOUTH >J6532 >T >AQ >A7432 > >How should an expert declarer draw trumps? > > >Best wishes > >Richard Hills >Movie grognard and paronomasiac > > >_______________________________________________ >blml mailing list >blml@amsterdamned.org >http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.9/42 - Release Date: 6/07/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.9/42 - Release Date: 6/07/2005 From richard.hills at immi.gov.au Thu Jul 7 03:42:28 2005 From: richard.hills at immi.gov.au (richard.hills@immi.gov.au) Date: Thu Jul 7 03:44:46 2005 Subject: [blml] Suggested by UI or not? - was "What do you bid?" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Harald Skjaeran: >What happened at the table was naturally a considerable BIT by west >before bidding 5S. > >East raised this to 6S which was laydown against KJ8743-A43-E83-T. >NS called the TD after the bid of 6S and later after the board had >been completed, claiming damage through use of UI. > >The TD ruled that the UI didn't demonstrably suggest 6S over pass, >that the BIT suggested that west in this sequence was contemplating >passing, doubling or bidding 5S. The TD didn't even consider 6S a LA >to pass. The ruling was result stands. > >NS appealed this decision. > >How would you rule as AC? Richard Hills: In this particular auction, if West had rebid 5S very _quickly_ (with celerity and panache), I would rule that the excessive speed of West's 5S rebid demonstrably suggested bidding on to 6S. But since West rebid 5S very _slowly_, I would rule that West has not demonstrably suggested bidding on to 6S. The fact that West's cards are inconsistent with West's tempo is very _irrelevant_ to a Law 16 ruling. Best wishes Richard Hills Movie grognard and paronomasiac From anne.jones1 at ntlworld.com Thu Jul 7 04:22:42 2005 From: anne.jones1 at ntlworld.com (Anne Jones) Date: Thu Jul 7 04:24:54 2005 Subject: [blml] The first time as tragedy, the second as farce References: Message-ID: <002001c5829a$c2639dd0$b4300952@AnnesComputer> wow - I will be first to try this.:-)) Cross to AD and play small to QS. I expect W to hold K10X. If East holds K I can't make it can I? Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 1:16 AM Subject: [blml] The first time as tragedy, the second as farce > > > > > Karl Marx: > >>Hegel says somewhere that all great events and >>personalities in world history reappear in one >>fashion or another. He forgot to add: the first >>time as tragedy, the second as farce. > > Deja vu all over again. Last night, at the South > Canberra Bridge Club, the tragedy in Tenerife was > echoed when an expert declarer found himself in a > small slam with a sure outside loser, a hole in > the trump suit, and two plausible ways to play > the trumps. > > Matchpoint pairs > Dlr: West > Vul: East-West > > The bidding has gone: > > WEST NORTH EAST SOUTH > Pass 1C(1) 3H 3S > Pass 4H Pass 5C > Pass 6S Pass Pass > Pass > > (1) Strong club, 15+ hcp with any shape > > Opening lead: Four of hearts > > NORTH > AQ87 > AK9 > KJ5 > QT9 > > > SOUTH > J6532 > T > AQ > A7432 > > How should an expert declarer draw trumps? > > > Best wishes > > Richard Hills > Movie grognard and paronomasiac > > > _______________________________________________ > blml mailing list > blml@amsterdamned.org > http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > From richard.hills at immi.gov.au Thu Jul 7 04:29:14 2005 From: richard.hills at immi.gov.au (richard.hills@immi.gov.au) Date: Thu Jul 7 04:31:32 2005 Subject: [blml] The first time as tragedy, the second as farce In-Reply-To: <200507070042.RAA03196@immi.gov.au> Message-ID: Adam Beneschan: >Off the top of my head, there doesn't appear to be much difference >between starting with a low trump from hand, and starting with the >jack, planning to take a second finesse if it goes J-K-A-(10 or 9). > >The first method picks up K, K10, K9, K4; the second picks up K104, >K94, K10, K9. The second method might be better, but only by a >really tiny fraction. I haven't worked it all out, and I could >easily be wrong. Richard Hills: "A priori" the first method is slightly better (by a margin of less than 1%) than the second method. However, the "a posteriori" odds are different if one assumes that East's vul-vs-not 3H preempt promises a seven-card suit. The "a posteriori" odds give the second method a clearcut edge over the first method. The complete deal: AQ87 AK8 KJ5 QT9 K4 T9 4 QJ976532 T987632 4 J86 K5 J6532 T AQ A7432 The superior "a posteriori" line would have failed, but declarer (the second-best player at the club) took the inferior "a priori" line to successfully draw trumps. The declarer then took the expert line of now guaranteeing their contract by eliminating the red suits before running the queen of clubs from dummy. Given the expertise of declarer, would their line of play be sufficient evidence to support an accusation by an opponent that declarer infracted the anti-peeking Law 74C5? How would you rule? Of course, in real life, I was declarer, and turned white when I saw East's nine of spades on the first round of trumps, realising too late my "a posteriori" anti-percentage blunder. :-) Best wishes Richard Hills Movie grognard and paronomasiac From AverydetytsgHanson at floralbliss.com Thu Jul 7 06:10:44 2005 From: AverydetytsgHanson at floralbliss.com (Coleen Kendall) Date: Thu Jul 7 05:15:27 2005 Subject: [blml] We owe you: $381129 Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From grabiner at alumni.princeton.edu Thu Jul 7 05:51:28 2005 From: grabiner at alumni.princeton.edu (David J. Grabiner) Date: Thu Jul 7 05:53:40 2005 Subject: [blml] The first time as tragedy, the second as farce In-Reply-To: References: <200507070042.RAA03196@immi.gov.au> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050706230922.03438450@mail.comcast.net> At 10:29 PM 7/6/2005, richard.hills@immi.gov.au wrote: >Adam Beneschan: > > >Off the top of my head, there doesn't appear to be much difference > >between starting with a low trump from hand, and starting with the > >jack, planning to take a second finesse if it goes J-K-A-(10 or 9). > > > >The first method picks up K, K10, K9, K4; the second picks up K104, > >K94, K10, K9. The second method might be better, but only by a > >really tiny fraction. I haven't worked it all out, and I could > >easily be wrong. > >Richard Hills: > >"A priori" the first method is slightly better (by a margin of less >than 1%) than the second method. However, the "a posteriori" odds >are different if one assumes that East's vul-vs-not 3H preempt >promises a seven-card suit. The "a posteriori" odds give the second >method a clearcut edge over the first method. It's not quite that easy. The second method does have an edge, but you have to work out the odds more carefully because of a complication below. >The complete deal: > > AQ87 > AK8 > KJ5 > QT9 >K4 T9 >4 QJ976532 >T987632 4 >J86 K5 > J6532 > T > AQ > A7432 > >The superior "a posteriori" line would have failed, but declarer >(the second-best player at the club) took the inferior "a priori" >line to successfully draw trumps. > >The declarer then took the expert line of now guaranteeing their >contract by eliminating the red suits before running the queen of >clubs from dummy. And this club endplay would not necessarily have been possible had declarer run the SJ, even if he could pick up the trumps. At trick two, declarer leads a diamond to the ace. He runs the SJ, West plays the SK, and East plays the S9. Now, if declarer reenters his hand with a diamond, and East falsecarded from 94 of spades, the diamond may get ruffed. If declarer reenters his hand with a club, and East actually has the stiff S9, then there is no endplay if East has KJx of clubs, as the ace is gone. If East has Kx or Jx, there is still an endplay after declarer guesses the clubs wrong. Thus, if declarer runs the SJ and returns to hand with a club for the second finesse, he goes down if East has (T or 9) QJxxxxxx x KJx (and also (T4 or 94) QJxxxxxx xxx -, but that's unlikely with no Lightner double). If declarer finesses the SQ and picks up the trump suit, he always makes. Now, which is more likely? I have to count it out. Given that East has eight hearts, how many choices of the other five cards allow declarer to make? There are a total of 6188 cases (17 choose 5), of which 792 (13 choose 5) are unlikely because they give East a club void and a likely Lightner double. (It doesn't matter whether we throw out the diamond voids or not, since East will ruff the second trick if he is void in diamonds.) Finesse the SQ: T94 of spades, one diamond, one club: 40 cases. T94 of spades, two diamonds, no club: 28 unlikely cases. xx of spades, one diamond, two clubs: 240 cases. xx of spades, two diamonds, one club: 420 cases. xx of spades, three diamonds, no club: 168 unlikely cases. Total: 700 likely, 168 unlikely cases. Run the SJ, reenter hand with a club: T4/94 of spades, one diamond, two clubs: 160 cases. T4/94 of spades, two diamonds, one club: 280 cases. T/9 of spades, three diamonds, one club: 560 cases. T/9 of spades, two diamonds, two clubs: 560 cases. T/9 of spades, one diamond, three clubs not KJx: 112 cases. Total: 1672 cases. So running the SJ is still twice as likely to work as finessing the SQ, despite the possible lost club endplay. From grandeval at vejez.fsnet.co.uk Thu Jul 7 10:09:22 2005 From: grandeval at vejez.fsnet.co.uk (Grattan Endicott) Date: Thu Jul 7 10:17:33 2005 Subject: [blml] Pour soul asking for guidance References: Message-ID: <008801c582cb$4b35b4b0$1e9e87d9@yourtkrv58tbs0> from Grattan Endicott grandeval@vejez.fsnet.co.uk [also gesta@tiscali.co.uk] ************************************** 'that unhoped serene that men call age' ~ Rupert Brooke --------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 2:07 AM Subject: Re: [blml] Pour soul asking for guidance > > > > > Konrad Ciborowski: > > [snip] > > >I would appreciate a definite answer as for > >who is right and who is wrong. > > > >Recently the Polish Bridge Union, following > >the Torino interpretation, officially > >instructed Polish TDs to use L16C2 in cases > >the ones above. > > Richard Hills: > > I believe that the WBF Laws Committee > discussed Law 16C2 at its meeting in 2004 in > Istanbul. However, the minutes of that > meeting have not yet been published on the > WBF website. > > Grattan, if these minutes are now officially > adopted, can you pour some guidance from your > font of wisdom? > > > Best wishes > > Richard Hills > Movie grognard and paronomasiac > +=+ My machine is a blank between departure for Tenerife and yesterday. What was this about? ~ Grattan ~ [now at home] +=+ From twm at cix.co.uk Thu Jul 7 10:26:00 2005 From: twm at cix.co.uk (Tim West-Meads) Date: Thu Jul 7 10:28:33 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Write-up Change? In-Reply-To: <007301c58261$52557ce0$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> Message-ID: Marv wrote: > (1) The place on the CC to show Ogust is very prominent. The TD would > not have missed it, The write-up does not indicate that he miss did it. A single CC with Ogust written on it would still leave me wondering whether that was their agreement or an assumption by the player completing the CC. > Moreover, this does not look like a "bad-bad" hand. It doesn't look like "bad-bad" to me either. But then I play a 4-9 range with frequent 5 card suits. Were I playing 7-11 with sound 6 carders it would qualify. The range of EW's actual agreement remains a mystery to me. In the end though I sympathise with the AC. Since the opening side can never prove their agreement it would be too easy for the asking side to win a UI appeal if we adjust on a "he might have thought he was playing feature/ogust" basis. Tim From t.kooyman at worldonline.nl Thu Jul 7 09:44:25 2005 From: t.kooyman at worldonline.nl (Ton Kooijman) Date: Thu Jul 7 10:33:38 2005 Subject: [blml] Pour soul asking for guidance References: Message-ID: <000201c582ce$46ccade0$dcf1f0c3@LNV> Yes, the WBFLC has talked about L16C2 in Istanbul. The reason was the example David Stevenson gave with a POOT (by South) not accepted, then 2D multi by West. Now the question was whether L16C2 applies for North. David said 'no' since the POOT was not replaced by another call, which seems to be the condition as described in the first sentence of L16C2. The LC said 'yes' and interpreted L16C2 by reading the first sentence as follows: 'A call or play may be withdrawn, and another MAY BE substituted .......etc. ton > Konrad Ciborowski: > > [snip] > >>I would appreciate a definite answer as for >>who is right and who is wrong. >> >>Recently the Polish Bridge Union, following >>the Torino interpretation, officially >>instructed Polish TDs to use L16C2 in cases >>the ones above. > > Richard Hills: > > I believe that the WBF Laws Committee > discussed Law 16C2 at its meeting in 2004 in > Istanbul. However, the minutes of that > meeting have not yet been published on the > WBF website. > > Grattan, if these minutes are now officially > adopted, can you pour some guidance from your > font of wisdom? > > > Best wishes > > Richard Hills > Movie grognard and paronomasiac > > > _______________________________________________ > blml mailing list > blml@amsterdamned.org > http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > From ngkong at didamail.com Thu Jul 7 11:31:05 2005 From: ngkong at didamail.com (Mia Schaefer) Date: Thu Jul 7 10:34:29 2005 Subject: [blml] Mortage rates all time low Message-ID: <20041odhor3.ED8DA244AE@mailhost1s.lists.techtarget.com> Hello, We tried contacting you awhile ago about your low interest morta(ge rate. You have been selected for our lowest rate in years... You could get over $420,000 for as little as $400 a month! Ba(d credit, Bank*ruptcy? Doesn't matter, low rates are fixed no matter what! 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Konrad Ciborowski [all red from shame] Krak?w, Poland ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Na randke, na randke, na randke... >>> http://link.interia.pl/f189c From Guthrie at ntlworld.com Thu Jul 7 12:18:29 2005 From: Guthrie at ntlworld.com (GUTHRIE) Date: Thu Jul 7 12:20:23 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Correected References: <003201c56f6f$f22fd080$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> Message-ID: <007b01c582dd$3923d4c0$069868d5@James> [Pittsburgh Appeal N-02[ > Subject: UI/MI DIC: Cukoff > Silodor Open Pairs Second Qualifying > Board 3 Dealer South EW vulnerable > S Q62 > H 6 > D KQJ854 > C 1087 > S 4 S KJ873 > H QJ10854 H AK3 > D 102 D A76 > C KJ64 C Q2 > S A1095 > H 972 > D 93 > C A953 > West North East South > Pass > 2H Pass 2NT Pass > 3C (1) Pass 3H Pass > 4H All Pass > (1) Alerted and described as bad hand, bad suit. > Facts: The director was called after the auction. > He determined that North had asked the meaning of 3C > and was told that it was a bad hand, bad suit. If 3C > were a feature she would have bid 3D to suggest a > save, but over bad/bad she did not want to risk -300. > The final contract was 4H by West. On the DK opening > lead 10 tricks were scored, +620 for EW. > Director?s Ruling: The director was unable to determine > the EW agreement. It is possible that West had bid 3C > to show a feature and the explanation clarified the > misunderstanding and was UI (Law 16). The contract was > changed to 3H +170 EW. > The Appeal: East and West were the only players to > attend the hearing. EW contended that the explanation > given was correct per their agreements. > The Decision: The committee determined that EW were > playing Ogust, the explanation given was correct. > With no other indication of an irregularity, the > committee restored the table result of 4H West +620 > EW. > Committee: Jeff Polisner, Chair, David Berkowitz, > Ed Lazarus, Marlene Passell and Bob White {Nigel] On the facts presented, the AC should uphold the TD's ruling of +170 and impose an AWMW on EW. Conceivably, the AC ruling is justifiable if, for example, (i) EW had lost their cards when the TD was called, (ii) EW found their CCs in time for the AC and (iii) the AC were sure that "Ogust" and not been added to the CCs just before the AC (e.g CCs agreed system notes). IMO even if "Ogust" was the EW agreement, the AC should still have upheld the TD ruling. In that case, it seems likely that East had forgotten their understanding and the explanation had reminded him. From Guthrie at ntlworld.com Thu Jul 7 13:45:11 2005 From: Guthrie at ntlworld.com (GUTHRIE) Date: Thu Jul 7 13:47:05 2005 Subject: The Best we can do - Was: [blml] Three - Orlando NABCunofficialcasebook References: <200504111030.j3BAUNUb007868@canada.servidor-pt.com> Message-ID: <008c01c582e9$55d6d2a0$069868d5@James> [WILLIAM SCHODER (Kojak)] > Addressing myself to Eric's closing remarks, I find > myself anathema to the idea of making rulings > provisionally and letting the AC work it out. I want > the TD to make the best possible ruling, according to > the facts available to him/her, and which the CTD is > willing to defend before a committee. This is why I > fought so tenaciously for 12C3 to include the TD, why > I have required TD's to consult before ruling, and to > do the best they are capable of. To me the route, > sometimes championed by Edgar when to his benefit, > to "let the AC work it out", "rule against the > infractor". etc., really was to justify the existence > of a highly active AC, and justify the costs thereby > incurred. I want the TD to do the BEST THEY ARE > CAPABLE OF, as though the players would not wish to > have an AC review the decision. If that's too much > work for some of you, selling shoes is a lot easier. > Otherwise , we could save a bunch of money by having > the caddies give a rule book to the involved > contenders, and just pass it all on to the AC. I > deplore, and will continue to deplore rulings of > that ilk. If you are not willing to "stand the heat > in the kitchen," "put your best foot forward," or > do the job you are lucky enough to have, get out of > the business for the good of the game and make room > for those who are "willing to stand up and be counted." [Rui Marques] >> I got my initial training as a TD during the "rule >> against the infractor" stage, but almost all my career >> happened during the "do the best we can" stage (so i?m >> quite young at this). Anyway, doing the best we can >> should be as natural as breathing. TDing becomes >> intelectually challenging that way. Players like us to >> do it that way and if they trust our judgment and our >> methods they will not go into an AC (at least they will >> go only a fraction of the time). The other way round is >> just a lazy (or self-protecting) way of TDing (apart >> from the other implications Kojak mentioned). The game >> gains a lot "our" way, IMHO. I can?t imagine myself >> going back to "rule against the infractor" or "send it >> to the AC because I can?t do it". Nobody should even >> think about it seriously. I guess that if that happens >> one day to me, I will change my job to selling shoes.. [Nigel] A TD should be careful when he claims to speak on behalf of players because his interests may be subtly different. A. Judging by BLML controversies, few TDs understand the law. IMO that is largely the fault of law-makers. For example very few TDs have the stomach to explore all the nooks and crannies in the locked Leopard's Loo. The justification for Law-makers is that sophisticated opaque subjective fragmented laws make the TD's job "more interesting than selling shoes". B. Anyway, only a minority of infractions are detected, reported, and attract adverse rulings. "Fudge" Laws that simply try to restore the status quo, encourage law-breakers and provide insufficient redress for their victims. C. ACs are told not to tamper with such fudge rulings. So the victims of infractions almost never appeal them. However, such rulings leave the strong impression that crime pays. D. Judging from BLML, many TD's are reluctant to rule "on the balance of probability." Such TDs argue that a ruling against an alleged offender requires establishment of facts that prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. This makes it even less likely that a TD will provide redress for a putative victim. E. Few players appeal rulings, especially if they are inexpert or ignorant of the law; they almost never appeal a ruling, however unfair, unless they are in contention. F. Hence when the TD "rules in favour of the infractor", that is usually the end of the matter. This obviously suits the infractor but is frustrating for the diminishing band of law-abiding players. G. Some players (like myself) would prefer simpler less subjective laws that they could understand; and rulings that conformed better with ideas of normal justice; even at the risk of reducing the challenge of the TD's job. 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I have been trying to get them for a couple of years to update my site but they do not seem to be available form Grattan or anywhere else. -- David Stevenson Bridge RTFLB Cats Railways /\ /\ Liverpool, England, UK Fax: +44 870 055 7697 @ @ ICQ 20039682 bluejak on OKB =( + )= Lawspage: http://blakjak.com/lws_menu.htm ~ From Guthrie at ntlworld.com Thu Jul 7 19:08:40 2005 From: Guthrie at ntlworld.com (GUTHRIE) Date: Thu Jul 7 19:10:33 2005 Subject: [blml] Pour soul asking for guidance References: <20050701111304.BC19F173E67@immi.gov.au> Message-ID: <004301c58316$86516e90$1b9868d5@James> [David Stevenson] > Sadly, my sources of WBFLC minutes seem to have dried > up. I have been trying to get them for a couple of > years to update my site but they do not seem to be > available form Grattan or anywhere else. [Nigel] Another illustration of the folly of locking up the laws in the Leopard's Loo. The new edition should make obsolete all old minutes, interpretations and commentaries. The WBFLC should publish future corrections, amendments, and additions, in place, in revised WEB editions of TFLB. From schoderb at msn.com Thu Jul 7 19:13:40 2005 From: schoderb at msn.com (WILLIAM SCHODER) Date: Thu Jul 7 19:15:52 2005 Subject: [blml] Pour soul asking for guidance References: <20050701111304.BC19F173E67@immi.gov.au> <004301c58316$86516e90$1b9868d5@James> Message-ID: All I can say is AMEN to both of you, although I don't fully understand Nigel's last sentence. What does "in place" mean? Kojak ----- Original Message ----- From: "GUTHRIE" To: "BLML" Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [blml] Pour soul asking for guidance > [David Stevenson] > > Sadly, my sources of WBFLC minutes seem to have dried > > up. I have been trying to get them for a couple of > > years to update my site but they do not seem to be > > available form Grattan or anywhere else. > > [Nigel] > Another illustration of the folly of locking up the laws in > the Leopard's Loo. The new edition should make obsolete all > old minutes, interpretations and commentaries. The WBFLC > should publish future corrections, amendments, and > additions, in place, in revised WEB editions of TFLB. > > > _______________________________________________ > blml mailing list > blml@amsterdamned.org > http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > From Guthrie at ntlworld.com Thu Jul 7 19:34:24 2005 From: Guthrie at ntlworld.com (GUTHRIE) Date: Thu Jul 7 19:36:16 2005 Subject: The Best we can do - Was: [blml] Three - OrlandoNABCunofficialcasebook References: <200504111030.j3BAUNUb007868@canada.servidor-pt.com> <008c01c582e9$55d6d2a0$069868d5@James> Message-ID: <004a01c5831a$1e49ab60$1b9868d5@James> >> [Nigel] >> A TD should be careful when he claims to speak on behalf >> of >> players because his interests may be subtly different. >> >> A. Judging by BLML controversies, few TDs understand the >> law. IMO that is largely the fault of law-makers. For >> example very few TDs have the stomach to explore all the >> nooks and crannies in the locked Leopard's Loo. Perhaps >> Law-makers can justify these sophisticated opaque >> subjective fragmented laws because they make the TD's job >> "more interesting than selling shoes". >> >> B. Anyway, only a minority of infractions are detected, >> reported, and attract adverse rulings. "Fudge" Laws that >> simply try to restore the status quo, encourage >> law-breakers >> and provide insufficient redress for their victims. >> >> C. ACs are told not to tamper with such fudge rulings. >> So >> the victims of infractions almost never appeal them. >> However, such rulings leave the strong impression that >> crime >> pays. >> >> D. Judging from BLML, many TD's are reluctant to rule "on >> the balance of probability." Such TDs argue that a >> ruling against an alleged offender requires establishment >> of facts that prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. This >> makes it even less likely that a TD will provide redress >> for a putative victim. >> >> E. Few players appeal rulings, especially if they are >> inexpert or ignorant of the law; they almost never appeal >> a >> ruling, however unfair, unless they are in contention. >> >> F. Hence when the TD "rules in favour of the infractor", >> that is usually the end of the matter. This obviously >> suits >> the infractor but is frustrating for the diminishing band >> of >> law-abiding players. >> >> G. Some players (like myself) would prefer simpler less >> subjective laws that they could understand; and rulings >> that >> conformed better with ideas of normal justice; even at >> the >> risk of reducing the challenge of the TD's job. [Kojak] > Kinda interesting that it took you almost three months > to respond to my 10 April posting. Was there something > in the close recent past that caused you to go back > that far? ]Nigel] I read Rui Marques' reply to Kojak's post for the first time, this morning. Both make several interesting valid points but the arguments seem one-sided; so I tried to balance them to give a fuller pictuire. Recent BLML discussions confirm that TDs are confused about the current law. Players are in a worse predicament. I concede that that it may be too late to appeal to the WBFLC to save Bridge from its imminent fate. From Guthrie at ntlworld.com Thu Jul 7 19:52:00 2005 From: Guthrie at ntlworld.com (GUTHRIE) Date: Thu Jul 7 19:53:59 2005 Subject: [blml] Pour soul asking for guidance References: <20050701111304.BC19F173E67@immi.gov.au> <004301c58316$86516e90$1b9868d5@James> Message-ID: <007201c5831c$93d59c20$1b9868d5@James> >> [David Stevenson] >>> Sadly, my sources of WBFLC minutes seem to have dried >>> up. I have been trying to get them for a couple of >>> years to update my site but they do not seem to be >>> available form Grattan or anywhere else. > [Nigel] >> Another illustration of the folly of locking up the laws >> in > the Leopard's Loo. The new edition should make >> obsolete all old minutes, interpretations and >> commentaries. >> The WBFLC should publish future corrections, amendments, >> and additions, in place, in revised WEB editions of TFLB. [wILLIAM sCHODER] > All I can say is AMEN to both of you, although I don't > fully understand Nigel's last sentence. What does "in > place" > mean? [Nigel] I meant in TFLB itself, Kojak. If the WBFLC decide to make an official re-interpretation, correction, deletion, or addition to Bridge Law, then, as well as minuting it, they should also integrate it into TFLB and immediately publish a revised interim edition on the WEB. 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From svenpran at online.no Thu Jul 7 20:55:43 2005 From: svenpran at online.no (Sven Pran) Date: Thu Jul 7 20:57:55 2005 Subject: [blml] Pour soul asking for guidance In-Reply-To: <007201c5831c$93d59c20$1b9868d5@James> Message-ID: <000001c58325$7a87b5b0$6400a8c0@WINXP> If I may throw in my vote I would say that: 1: No law or amendment to law is effective unless it has been published and is readily available to anybody interested. (As such I do not consider any WBFLC minute that has not been published binding on anybody, ref David's sigh on the apparent unavailability of minutes from recent years) 2: With the availability of Internet I see absolutely no reason for not maintaining an online law fully updated at all times with all applicable amendments and clarifications inserted at the appropriate places in the law text. Regards Sven > -----Original Message----- > From: blml-bounces@amsterdamned.org [mailto:blml-bounces@amsterdamned.org] > On Behalf Of GUTHRIE > Sent: 7. juli 2005 19:52 > To: BLML > Subject: Re: [blml] Pour soul asking for guidance > > >> [David Stevenson] > >>> Sadly, my sources of WBFLC minutes seem to have dried > >>> up. I have been trying to get them for a couple of > >>> years to update my site but they do not seem to be > >>> available form Grattan or anywhere else. > > > [Nigel] > >> Another illustration of the folly of locking up the laws > >> in > the Leopard's Loo. The new edition should make > >> obsolete all old minutes, interpretations and > >> commentaries. > >> The WBFLC should publish future corrections, amendments, > >> and additions, in place, in revised WEB editions of TFLB. > > [wILLIAM sCHODER] > > All I can say is AMEN to both of you, although I don't > > fully understand Nigel's last sentence. What does "in > > place" > > mean? > > [Nigel] > I meant in TFLB itself, Kojak. If the WBFLC decide to make > an official re-interpretation, correction, deletion, or > addition to Bridge Law, then, as well as minuting it, they > should also integrate it into TFLB and immediately publish a > revised interim edition on the WEB. > > It is ludicrous to expect players (and TDs) to search > through reams of obscure documents just to keep up-to-date > with the rules of a game. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > blml mailing list > blml@amsterdamned.org > http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml From mfrench1 at san.rr.com Thu Jul 7 22:39:48 2005 From: mfrench1 at san.rr.com (Marvin French) Date: Thu Jul 7 22:43:37 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Correected References: <003201c56f6f$f22fd080$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> <007b01c582dd$3923d4c0$069868d5@James> Message-ID: <000601c58334$058a1280$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> From: "GUTHRIE" > [Pittsburgh Appeal N-02[ > > Subject: UI/MI DIC: Cukoff > > Silodor Open Pairs Second Qualifying > > Board 3 Dealer South EW vulnerable > > S Q62 > > H 6 > > D KQJ854 > > C 1087 > > S 4 S KJ873 > > H QJ10854 H AK3 > > D 102 D A76 > > C KJ64 C Q2 > > S A1095 > > H 972 > > D 93 > > C A953 > > West North East South > > Pass > > 2H Pass 2NT Pass > > 3C (1) Pass 3H Pass > > 4H All Pass > > (1) Alerted and described as bad hand, bad suit. > > Facts: The director was called after the auction. > > He determined that North had asked the meaning of 3C > > and was told that it was a bad hand, bad suit. If 3C > > were a feature she would have bid 3D to suggest a > > save, but over bad/bad she did not want to risk -300. > > The final contract was 4H by West. On the DK opening > > lead 10 tricks were scored, +620 for EW. > > Director?s Ruling: The director was unable to determine > > the EW agreement. It is possible that West had bid 3C > > to show a feature and the explanation clarified the > > misunderstanding and was UI (Law 16). The contract was > > changed to 3H +170 EW. > > The Appeal: East and West were the only players to > > attend the hearing. EW contended that the explanation > > given was correct per their agreements. > > The Decision: The committee determined that EW were > > playing Ogust, the explanation given was correct. > > With no other indication of an irregularity, the > > committee restored the table result of 4H West +620 > > EW. > > Committee: Jeff Polisner, Chair, David Berkowitz, > > Ed Lazarus, Marlene Passell and Bob White > > {Nigel] > On the facts presented, the AC should uphold the TD's ruling > of +170 and impose an AWMW on EW. Conceivably, the AC ruling > is justifiable if, for example, (i) EW had lost their cards > when the TD was called, (ii) EW found their CCs in time for > the AC and (iii) the AC were sure that "Ogust" and not been > added to the CCs just before the AC (e.g CCs agreed system > notes). > > IMO even if "Ogust" was the EW agreement, the AC should > still have upheld the TD ruling. In that case, it seems > likely that East had forgotten their understanding and the > explanation had reminded him. > West, you mean. My thoughts exactly. I have been assured that Ogust was indeed on the CC at the AC meeting, but by someone who was not on the AC. It could be that it was added post-hoc .I'd like to get the TD's side of this story. I've asked for his name and will speak to him at the Atlanta NABC if I get it. It reminds me of a case when a responder to Roman 1430 gave a 3014 5C response and with "extra values" went on to six after a signoff, having heard the 1430 explanation (which was indeed on the CC). Can't have that. Marv Marvin L. French San Diego, California From schoderb at msn.com Thu Jul 7 23:15:45 2005 From: schoderb at msn.com (WILLIAM SCHODER) Date: Thu Jul 7 23:17:57 2005 Subject: The Best we can do - Was: [blml] Three -OrlandoNABCunofficialcasebook References: <200504111030.j3BAUNUb007868@canada.servidor-pt.com><008c01c582e9$55d6d2a0$069868d5@James> <004a01c5831a$1e49ab60$1b9868d5@James> Message-ID: It's never too late, but sometimes it may be too early. Reviewing the Laws, integrating all that has happened since 1997, checking back to before then to be sure, and making those changes that have come to be needed in the last few years, without making a further mess of things is a big task --- which is why I say that we must be careful not to create problems as yet unforeseen by unseemly rushing to make sometimes spurious deadlines. I do take some exception to your blanket statements about the TDs having troubles with present laws, and TDs not being bridge players and therefore can't think like players. I'd be happy to back a team of ACBL TDs against the best other than professional players you can find. And the WBF staffs I've had the great honor and pleasure to head for so many years have consistently been proven to know the game. The ACBL method of using TD panels for less than National Events at their major tournaments have outrated the ACs in "getting it right" even according to our BLML savants. The semantics arguments, esoteric discussions of language, failure to see the forest while looking at the trees, and posturing that is all too frequent in BLML discussions makes it hard for me to accept the BLML as a valid arbiter or review authority. I am particularly concerned that David cannot get the WBFLC minutes to post on his website. I don't think that it is necessary or cost-effective to republish the Laws each time the WBFLC makes an interpretation, but there is absolutely no acceptable reason for why the widest and complete dissemination of these items cannot be guaranteed. Kojak ----- Original Message ----- From: "GUTHRIE" To: "BLML" Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 1:34 PM Subject: Re: The Best we can do - Was: [blml] Three -OrlandoNABCunofficialcasebook > >> [Nigel] > >> A TD should be careful when he claims to speak on behalf > >> of > >> players because his interests may be subtly different. > >> > >> A. Judging by BLML controversies, few TDs understand the > >> law. IMO that is largely the fault of law-makers. For > >> example very few TDs have the stomach to explore all the > >> nooks and crannies in the locked Leopard's Loo. Perhaps > >> Law-makers can justify these sophisticated opaque > >> subjective fragmented laws because they make the TD's job > >> "more interesting than selling shoes". > >> > >> B. Anyway, only a minority of infractions are detected, > >> reported, and attract adverse rulings. "Fudge" Laws that > >> simply try to restore the status quo, encourage > >> law-breakers > >> and provide insufficient redress for their victims. > >> > >> C. ACs are told not to tamper with such fudge rulings. > >> So > >> the victims of infractions almost never appeal them. > >> However, such rulings leave the strong impression that > >> crime > >> pays. > >> > >> D. Judging from BLML, many TD's are reluctant to rule "on > >> the balance of probability." Such TDs argue that a > >> ruling against an alleged offender requires establishment > >> of facts that prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. This > >> makes it even less likely that a TD will provide redress > >> for a putative victim. > >> > >> E. Few players appeal rulings, especially if they are > >> inexpert or ignorant of the law; they almost never appeal > >> a > >> ruling, however unfair, unless they are in contention. > >> > >> F. Hence when the TD "rules in favour of the infractor", > >> that is usually the end of the matter. This obviously > >> suits > >> the infractor but is frustrating for the diminishing band > >> of > >> law-abiding players. > >> > >> G. Some players (like myself) would prefer simpler less > >> subjective laws that they could understand; and rulings > >> that > >> conformed better with ideas of normal justice; even at > >> the > >> risk of reducing the challenge of the TD's job. > > [Kojak] > > Kinda interesting that it took you almost three months > > to respond to my 10 April posting. Was there something > > in the close recent past that caused you to go back > > that far? > > ]Nigel] > I read Rui Marques' reply to Kojak's post for the first > time, this morning. Both make several interesting valid > points but the arguments seem one-sided; so I tried to > balance them to give a fuller pictuire. Recent BLML > discussions confirm that TDs are confused about the current > law. Players are in a worse predicament. I concede that that > it may be too late to appeal to the WBFLC to save Bridge > from its imminent fate. > > > _______________________________________________ > blml mailing list > blml@amsterdamned.org > http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > From schoderb at msn.com Thu Jul 7 23:17:12 2005 From: schoderb at msn.com (WILLIAM SCHODER) Date: Thu Jul 7 23:19:22 2005 Subject: [blml] Pour soul asking for guidance References: <000001c58325$7a87b5b0$6400a8c0@WINXP> Message-ID: AMEN, again. Kojak ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sven Pran" To: "blml" Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 2:55 PM Subject: RE: [blml] Pour soul asking for guidance If I may throw in my vote I would say that: 1: No law or amendment to law is effective unless it has been published and is readily available to anybody interested. (As such I do not consider any WBFLC minute that has not been published binding on anybody, ref David's sigh on the apparent unavailability of minutes from recent years) 2: With the availability of Internet I see absolutely no reason for not maintaining an online law fully updated at all times with all applicable amendments and clarifications inserted at the appropriate places in the law text. Regards Sven > -----Original Message----- > From: blml-bounces@amsterdamned.org [mailto:blml-bounces@amsterdamned.org] > On Behalf Of GUTHRIE > Sent: 7. juli 2005 19:52 > To: BLML > Subject: Re: [blml] Pour soul asking for guidance > > >> [David Stevenson] > >>> Sadly, my sources of WBFLC minutes seem to have dried > >>> up. I have been trying to get them for a couple of > >>> years to update my site but they do not seem to be > >>> available form Grattan or anywhere else. > > > [Nigel] > >> Another illustration of the folly of locking up the laws > >> in > the Leopard's Loo. The new edition should make > >> obsolete all old minutes, interpretations and > >> commentaries. > >> The WBFLC should publish future corrections, amendments, > >> and additions, in place, in revised WEB editions of TFLB. > > [wILLIAM sCHODER] > > All I can say is AMEN to both of you, although I don't > > fully understand Nigel's last sentence. What does "in > > place" > > mean? > > [Nigel] > I meant in TFLB itself, Kojak. If the WBFLC decide to make > an official re-interpretation, correction, deletion, or > addition to Bridge Law, then, as well as minuting it, they > should also integrate it into TFLB and immediately publish a > revised interim edition on the WEB. > > It is ludicrous to expect players (and TDs) to search > through reams of obscure documents just to keep up-to-date > with the rules of a game. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > blml mailing list > blml@amsterdamned.org > http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml _______________________________________________ blml mailing list blml@amsterdamned.org http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml From twm at cix.co.uk Fri Jul 8 00:24:00 2005 From: twm at cix.co.uk (Tim West-Meads) Date: Fri Jul 8 00:26:42 2005 Subject: The Best we can do - Was: [blml] Three In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bill wrote: > I'd be happy to back a team of ACBL TDs against the best other than > professional players you can find. 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Zimnoch) Date: Fri Jul 8 01:28:23 2005 Subject: [blml] Re: The Best we can do In-Reply-To: References: <200504111030.j3BAUNUb007868@canada.servidor-pt.com><008c01c582e9$55d6d2a0$069868d5@James> <004a01c5831a$1e49ab60$1b9868d5@James> Message-ID: <42CDBA0F.2080007@att.net> WILLIAM SCHODER wrote: > I don't think that it is necessary or cost-effective to republish the Laws > each time the WBFLC makes an interpretation, but there is absolutely no > acceptable reason for why the widest and complete dissemination of these > items cannot be guaranteed. Republishing these days doesn't require cutting down the trees in the forest we cannot see anyways. Whether new interpretations are circulated separate from the Laws or directly inline in the Laws should not be a cost issue. Ideally both are done. This option has been available and clamored for (by some) for a few years already. I hope it's finally picked up. -Todd From richard.hills at immi.gov.au Fri Jul 8 03:25:34 2005 From: richard.hills at immi.gov.au (richard.hills@immi.gov.au) Date: Fri Jul 8 03:25:50 2005 Subject: [blml] Buratti - Lanzarotti disqualified! In-Reply-To: <1038318.1120317998321.JavaMail.www@immi.gov.au> Message-ID: A blmler wrote: >>A lawyer who attempted to argue in court (other than >>at the Supreme Court level, in certain types of cases) >>that a law should be interpreted in contradiction to >>its actual words based on the "intent" of its authors >>would be laughed out of court. Grattan Endicott replied: >+=+ I have in writing from Edgar Kaplan his assertion >that if a bridge law seems ambiguous reference is to >be made to the intent of the drafters. Richard Hills quibbles: It is a standard rule of jurisprudence that when laws are *ambiguous* then courts may take note of the intent of the legislators. But courts may not reinterpret *unambiguous* laws in *contradiction* of what they say, merely because the lawmakers were incompetent in drafting laws, so that the laws say the opposite of what the lawmakers intended. A specific bridge example is this WBF LC interpretation of Law 25B on 1st September 1998: >>>The Committee considered the situation in regard to >>>purposeful corrections of call under Law 25B. The >>>Chairman drew attention to the effect of Law 25B. It >>>was agreed that the intention of the Committee in >>>drafting this Law was to permit the correction of a >>>"stupid mistake" (e.g. passing a cue bid after >>>thinking whether to bid game or slam). It is not the >>>intention that the Law should be used to allow of >>>rectification of the player's judgement. As the >>>intention of the Committee this statement of >>>intention constitutes an interpretation of the Law. But, because the above interpretation of Law 25B was in *contradiction* of the words of Law 25B, the WBF LC correctly reversed this interpretation on 20th January 2000: >>>Considering the minutes of the meeting of January >>>12th, paragraph 6, Mr. Martel wished to clarify that >>>he was referring to the motivation for writing the >>>law; but the law as now written does not allow of the >>>distinction between reasons for changing the call >>>that the Committee is desirous of making. A question >>>was asked as to how many rulings based on Law 25B had >>>been given in the current tournament. The Chief >>>Director replied that there had been at least six. >>>The Chairman reminded the committee that it had been >>>agreed to put consideration of the subject back to >>>the major review of the laws, envisaged to occur in >>>the period 2002-2005. The Secretary recorded his >>>reservation that he did not consider it in the best >>>interests of bridge that the committee, having an >>>overwhelming balance of opinion that Law 25B is >>>seriously flawed and needs to be deleted or radically >>>altered, should do nothing about it until the year >>>2005. Best wishes Richard Hills Movie grognard and paronomasiac From Guthrie at ntlworld.com Fri Jul 8 03:43:53 2005 From: Guthrie at ntlworld.com (GUTHRIE) Date: Fri Jul 8 03:45:47 2005 Subject: The Best we can do - Was: [blml] Three -OrlandoNABCunofficialcasebook References: <200504111030.j3BAUNUb007868@canada.servidor-pt.com><008c01c582e9$55d6d2a0$069868d5@James> <004a01c5831a$1e49ab60$1b9868d5@James> Message-ID: <001601c5835e$803f1730$079468d5@James> [William Shoder] > It's never too late, but sometimes it may be too > early. Reviewing the Laws, integrating all that > has happened since 1997, checking back to before > then to be sure, and making those changes that have > come to be needed in the last few years, without > making a further mess of things is a big task --- > which is why I say that we must be careful not to > create problems as yet unforeseen by unseemly > rushing to make sometimes spurious deadlines. [Nigel] I agree with Kojak that to review and simplify the rules of an old-established card-game is a Mammoth task but even within the tight nine-year deadline, more than twenty clever hard-wrking WBFLC memebers may be equal to it. [Kojak] > I do take some exception to your blanket statements > about the TDs having troubles with present laws, and > TDs not being bridge players and therefore can't think > like players. I'd be happy to back a team of ACBL TDs > against the best other than professional players you > can find. And the WBF staffs I've had the great honor > and pleasure to head for so many years have > consistently been proven to know the game. The ACBL > method of using TD panels for less than National > Events at their major tournaments have outrated the > ACs in "getting it right" even according to our BLML > savants. [Nigel] Please don't mirepresent me, Kojak. I said that it is the fault of the law-maker that many players and directors don't fully understand the laws. How can they? Most of them don't ahve time to wade through all the relevant documents. Unfortunately, it is worse than that, however. Directors find it hard to interpret the basic laws in TFLB: LMLers disagree even about the simplest test-cases with undisputed facts. Even you and Grattan argue about the meaning of the more obscure passages that you have written. Nobody disputes that many directors are good players. All I claimed is that directors have a subtly different agenda. Although few directors can fully understand the law, most delight in the exercise of their judgement in making complex subjective decisions, required of them. Players would also like to understand the laws, but I and many others would like the laws to be more simple objective and complete. Nobody expects anything approaching perfection; just something better than we have now. {Kojak] > The semantics arguments, esoteric discussions of > language, failure to see the forest while looking > at the trees, and posturing that is all too > frequent in BLML discussions makes it hard for me > to accept the BLML as a valid arbiter or review > authority. {nige1] Legal discussion inevitably involves semantic argument. This is inherent in the very nature of law and language. Whenever anybody disagrees with Kojak, he produces his "Forest and Trees" analogy. I would be grateful if Kojak would descend from his Olympian heights and provide us with a practical Bridge example. BLML contributors are a fair cross-section of those who are concerned about Bridge Law. Most, (Eric Landau, Sven Pran, Richard Hills, Konrad Ciborowski, David Stevenson, and so on and so on) know the current laws more intimately than the average director. Others, like me, although relatively ignorant, are keen on reform. [Kojak] > I am particularly concerned that David cannot get > the WBFLC minutes to post on his website. I don't > think that it is necessary or cost-effective to > republish the Laws each time the WBFLC makes an > interpretation, but there is absolutely no > acceptable reason for why the widest and complete > dissemination of these items cannot be guaranteed. [nigel] Again and again, Kojak and Grattan deliberately miss the point. Nobody is suggesting that the WBFLC produce regular world-wide hard-copy editions. All that we want is for the WBFLC to publish TFLB revisions *on the WEB* (with links form ZO web sites). It is ridiculous to expect ordinary players and directors to wade through mountains of documents to glean a few titbits about the latest corrections and interpretations - just so that they can stay up-to-date with the rules of a game! It would require a few hours' work for the WBFLC to integrate such changes directly into TFLB (with "change bars" or whatever) and a few seconds to update the WBF web-site but imagine the time and effort it would save for everybody else! From anne.jones1 at ntlworld.com Fri Jul 8 03:49:51 2005 From: anne.jones1 at ntlworld.com (Anne Jones) Date: Fri Jul 8 03:52:03 2005 Subject: The Best we can do - Was: [blml] Three References: Message-ID: <000c01c5835f$564d3780$b4300952@AnnesComputer> If this gets arranged please don't let me miss it Tim/Kojak. Please advise as to who is taking bets. 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There now exists, implementing decisions taken 'finally' (with reservations on the part of some) in Monaco and Istanbul, a complete revised code of laws of duplicate bridge. It was put together by myself and John Wignall, the subcommittee chairman. No-one has shown as yet a single instance of any matter in the 1997 laws that is not catered for in this work. It includes certain additions to the subject matter. I regard this, subject to the possibility of tightening an occasional phrase, as a viable set of laws, totally revised and in fresh language. However, a majority of the committee are now involved in reinstating language from the 1997 laws in the text - I do not know how much - and I have stepped back whilst they do it because I am in disagreement with their wish to do so. I believe the language of 1997 is too often set in flawed, inferential and frequently ambiguous terms, that call for too much 'interpretation', and is thus corrupt. This is a longstanding published opinion. It does not preclude a rethink of some of the effects of the these draft laws if that is what is desired. Do not misunderstand me. In a democracy the majority is 'right' and, in the minority, I am 'wrong'. However, in a democracy my right of public dissent is secure. ~ Grattan ~ +=+ From Guthrie at ntlworld.com Fri Jul 8 11:17:04 2005 From: Guthrie at ntlworld.com (GUTHRIE) Date: Fri Jul 8 11:18:53 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Correected Message-ID: <00ae01c5839d$ced2e900$2c9868d5@James> > {Nigel] >> [SNIP] IMO even if "Ogust" is the EW agreement, >> the AC should still have upheld the TD ruling. In >> that case, it seems likely that East had forgotten >< their understanding and the explanation had >> reminded him. [Marvin] > West, you mean. My thoughts exactly. I have been > assured that Ogust was indeed on the CC at the AC > meeting, but by someone who was not on the AC. It > could be that it was added post-hoc . I'd like to > get the TD's side of this story. I've asked for his > name and will speak to him at the Atlanta NABC if > I get it. [SNIP] [Nigel] In a post on rec.games.bridge, David Burn also appears to agree with your common sense view, Marvin. In another thread, Kojak rejects my claim that there is widespread ignorance and disagreement about the meaning and application of basic bridge laws, even when applied to simple cases with agreed facts. Judging by the AC decision and the comments of many posters, this basic case may be a good illustration of my contention. For example, in spite of their misgivings about ruling on the "balance of probability" in cases like these, a director or appeals committee should bite the bullet and apply the law: ruling against the alleged infractor and giving redress to the putative victim. From Guthrie at ntlworld.com Fri Jul 8 11:37:44 2005 From: Guthrie at ntlworld.com (GUTHRIE) Date: Fri Jul 8 11:39:34 2005 Subject: [blml] Re: The Best we can do References: <200504111030.j3BAUNUb007868@canada.servidor-pt.com><008c01c582e9$55d6d2a0$069868d5@James><004a01c5831a$1e49ab60$1b9868d5@James><001601c5835e$803f1730$079468d5@James> <007b01c58395$2986e800$21a087d9@yourtkrv58tbs0> Message-ID: <00d701c583a0$b1ebe500$2c9868d5@James> [Grattan Endicott] > +=+ That task has been done. There now exists, > implementing decisions taken 'finally' (with > reservations on the part of some) in Monaco and > Istanbul, a complete revised code of laws of > duplicate bridge. It was put together by myself > and John Wignall, the subcommittee chairman. No-one > has shown as yet a single instance of any matter > in the 1997 laws that is not catered for in this > work. It includes certain additions to the > subject matter. I regard this, subject to the > possibility of tightening an occasional phrase, > as a viable set of laws, totally revised and in > fresh language. However, a majority of the > committee are now involved in reinstating language > from the 1997 laws in the text - I do not know how > much - and I have stepped back whilst they do it > because I am in disagreement with their wish to do > so. I believe the language of 1997 is too often set > in flawed, inferential and frequently ambiguous > terms, that call for too much 'interpretation', and > is thus corrupt. This is a longstanding published > opinion. It does not preclude a rethink of some of > the effects of the these draft laws if that is what > is desired. Do not misunderstand me. In a democracy > the majority is 'right' and, in the minority, I am > 'wrong'. However, in a democracy my right of public > dissent is secure. 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References: Message-ID: <003f01c584b8$8e9c8b40$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> From: "Tim West-Meads" > Marv wrote: > > > (1) The place on the CC to show Ogust is very prominent. The TD would > > not have missed it, > > The write-up does not indicate that he miss did it. A single CC with > Ogust written on it would still leave me wondering whether that was their > agreement or an assumption by the player completing the CC. Good point. > > > Moreover, this does not look like a "bad-bad" hand. > > It doesn't look like "bad-bad" to me either. But then I play a 4-9 range > with frequent 5 card suits. Were I playing 7-11 with sound 6 carders it > would qualify. The range of EW's actual agreement remains a mystery to > me. The ACBL CC has room for details of that sort. Mine says "disciplined, 1--1/2 def tricks, good six-card suit," not a common agreement. For me this would have been a bad-bad hand, but I am part of a very small minority. > > In the end though I sympathise with the AC. 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Regards Sven _______________________________________________ blml mailing list blml@amsterdamned.org http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml From gesta at tiscali.co.uk Sat Jul 9 21:57:00 2005 From: gesta at tiscali.co.uk (Grattan) Date: Sat Jul 9 22:01:38 2005 Subject: The Best we can do - Was: [blml] Three-OrlandoNABCunofficialcasebook References: <200504111030.j3BAUNUb007868@canada.servidor-pt.com><008c01c582e9$55d6d2a0$069868d5@James><004a01c5831a$1e49ab60$1b9868d5@James> <001601c5835e$803f1730$079468d5@James> Message-ID: <000201c584c0$b5a65010$4de9403e@Mildred> Grattan Endicott To: "BLML" Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 2:43 AM Subject: Re: The Best we can do - Was: [blml] Three-OrlandoNABCunofficialcasebook > > [Kojak] >> I am particularly concerned that David cannot get >> the WBFLC minutes to post on his website. I don't >> think that it is necessary or cost-effective to >> republish the Laws each time the WBFLC makes an >> interpretation, but there is absolutely no >> acceptable reason for why the widest and complete >> dissemination of these items cannot be guaranteed. > +=+ Since I became Secretary I have provided copies of the minutes to Anna Gudge who has a WBF web-site, and I have let David Stevenson have hard copies also. I have not done so for the 2004 meeting - an omission, partly occasioned by my absence from the meeting (in hospital), but I will remedy this. ~ G ~ +=+ From mfrench1 at san.rr.com Sat Jul 9 22:05:11 2005 From: mfrench1 at san.rr.com (Marvin French) Date: Sat Jul 9 22:09:03 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Correected References: Message-ID: <005101c584c1$84dda540$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> From: "Tim West-Meads" < > Nigel wrote: > > > For example, in spite of their misgivings about ruling on > > the "balance of probability" in cases like these, a director > > or appeals committee should bite the bullet and apply the > > law: ruling against the alleged infractor and giving redress > > to the putative victim. > > OK, I allege that the infractor was the person who asked the question > (despite knowing full well that his opps were playing Ogust) in the hope > of subsequently convincing a TD to rule MI. So now we have two alleged > infractors and two putative victims. Such questions are very bad, as it is not going to matter what the new-suit response shows, feature or hand value. Next hand can double to show the suit in either case, and will have another chance to act (perhaps asking about the auction then). I have always felt that if an unnecesssary question is answered prominently on the opposing CC, then the reply should be AI instead of UI. Isn't CC information AI, after all? Moreover, the right request (L20F1) is "Please explain your auction," not "What does that mean?" The latter is too much UI focussed on a particular bid. Unfortunately, the ACBL Alert regulations require an Alert of the response to 2NT (but not 2NT itself, oddly enough), and that gives an opponent the right to ask for an explanation of the Alerted bid by saying, "Please explain." That would be okay if a player says that after every Alert, but people tend not to do that and instead employ selective asking, not good. Well, there's another aspect. You're not allowed to explain a bid as an Ogust response, you have to say what the bid means, and there is no room for all the responses on the CC. I like the "need to know" requirement for queries in (where, England?), but understand that it has problems. > > It is neither judgment nor law that makes this case debatable but a lack > of facts relating to what was actually on the CC. While CC tampering is a > possibility it is also a very serious offence justifying expulsion and a > prolonged ban. If the ruling hinges on that then one must be pretty > convinced by the testimony of original TD. > One of a pair's CCs should be put into escrow by the TD when a ruling is appealed and the CC's information may be pertinent to the case. Attach it to the appeal form and send it on to the AC. My opinion remains that West was answering with a feature, agreement or no agreement about Ogust. The TD may well have been lax in this ruling, but that seems very strange in an NABC+ event. They won't tell me who the TD was so I could get his side of the story, but I may find that out anyway in at the Atlanta NABC this month. It could be that I will change my mind on this case, who knows? Marv Marvin L. French San Diego, California From mfrench1 at san.rr.com Sat Jul 9 22:28:22 2005 From: mfrench1 at san.rr.com (Marvin French) Date: Sat Jul 9 22:32:14 2005 Subject: [blml] Re: The Best we can do References: <200504111030.j3BAUNUb007868@canada.servidor-pt.com> <008c01c582e9$55d6d2a0$069868d5@James> <004a01c5831a$1e49ab60$1b9868d5@James> <001601c5835e$803f1730$079468d5@James> <007b01c58395$2986e800$21a087d9@yourtkrv58tbs0> <00d701c583a0$b1ebe500$2c9868d5@James> Message-ID: <006101c584c4$c1a1f3c0$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> Nigel Guthrie wrote:] > I am sure that Grattan and John Wignall have done an > excellent job of simplifying the language and structure of > the laws. 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The questioner was considering bidding and is entitled, before deciding, to check up on opponents methods. Suppose Tim is right and he also thought he was likely to catch out opponents using unauthorised information. Is there a law against that? [Tim] > It is neither judgment nor law that makes this case > debatable but a lack of facts relating to what was > actually on the CC. While CC tampering is a > possibility it is also a very serious offence > justifying expulsion and a prolonged ban. If the > ruling hinges on that then one must be pretty > convinced by the testimony of original TD. [Nigel] B. Marvin French and David Burn believe that it does not matter much what the East-west agreement is. It seems likely that North's question reminded West that he was mistaken or had forgotten the correct response to 2N. West had a good hand but knew that East thought he had a poor hand. so he ignored his partner's sign-off. 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He expects to have a version which can be presented and discussed in a broader setting in the spring of next year. 4 Several items have come from the drafting committee requesting the LC to give an advice. a) Treatment of average plus/minus in pairs scoring What score should be given if a pair can't play more than a few boards in one or more sessions? The common feeling was that giving 60% in such cases is to generous. One idea was to only give a pair average plus when at the beginning of the session it is supposed to play the board and for some reason isn't able to do so. Some felt that the average plus score should be taken away completely and the score be based on the boards the pair did play. The majority felt that a pair is entitled to average plus for a board it was supposed to play at the beginning of a session, but for a maximum of 2 or 3 boards. The general feeling was that the sponsoring organization needs to describe the desired conditions, with the laws giving a useful default description. The award in teams of four play when giving average plus should stay as 3 imps. But in other imp scoring events the SO should be able to deviate from this. When a pair receives average minus and average plus scores in a session the average minus score should be included in the session score before deciding whether a pair is entitled to a higher score than 60%. And vice versa. b) The question was asked whether a penalty for a revoke could be given by a score adjustment instead of penalty tricks. The general feeling was that such a solution is only reasonable if other irregularities get the same approach. c) The feeling was that the present laws deal well with played cards and that a more detailed description of default meanings of flawed announcements is not necessary. 5 There not being other issues raised the meeting ended at 15.30h Best wishes Richard Hills Movie grognard and paronomasiac From axman22 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 12 15:26:19 2005 From: axman22 at hotmail.com (Roger Pewick) Date: Tue Jul 12 15:28:22 2005 Subject: [blml] Director's error References: Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 0:33 AM Subject: [blml] Director's error > > > > > 2005 PABFC, Youth Round Robin 1, Match 9 > Board 15, Dlr S, NS Vul > Australia Vs Chinese Taipei > > AKQJT65 > AJT3 > --- > J8 > --- 87 > 4 K8762 > QJ98764 KT52 > T9732 A6 > 9432 > Q95 > A3 > KQ54 > > In the Open Room, the Aussie Youth pair were > Canberrans Griff Ware (North) and Daniel > Geromboux (South). According to Griff Ware, > this is what happened: > > "In the Open Room, the bidding phase was somewhat > astounding: Daniel as South opened a Weak 1NT, and > West overcalled 2NT, which showed either minors or > majors. The board came under the screen and I was > contemplating just bidding 6S straight out, not > having any sensible way to get partner to bid > Spades (note that from North's point of view it > seems like you want South to declare spades to > protect the C lead). However, at this point the > West player on the other side of the screen called > the director. It turned out that West thought that > a Weak NT was alertable (he was wrong, it is NOT > alertable under the WBF regs we were playing under); > however, the director made a mistake and thought it > was alertable as well. Then the director made a > further mistake by allowing the board to come back > under the screen and have West change his bid. > Apparently the opponents played a different system > over a Weak NT compared to a Strong NT (over a > strong NT 2NT shows both minors, rather than either > majors or minors), and West wanted to change his > bid (given that his hand was suitable for a 2NT bid > in both situations, I'm not sure why). West changed > his call to pass. I now was unsure whether I should > just bid 6S, transfer to spades and then splinter in > D, or show a slam try in Spades by starting with a > 2S range probe bid. On reflection, I should > probably have transferred, but I used the range > probe to find out some information about partner's > hand. Partner showed a minimum with 2NT, and now > West bid 3D. I bid 3S, revealing the slam try, and > East bid 5D - Daniel bid 5S, West 6D, I bid 6S, > pass, pass to West who sacrificed in 7D. 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I would negate this and treat EW furthermore as offending side concerning the trouble arisen thru the change of the 2 NT call. Without this call the contract most probable would have been 6 Spades by North (see below) without the chance of evaluating a lucrative sacrifice. Regards Peter Eidt Germany wrote: > > > > > 2005 PABFC, Youth Round Robin 1, Match 9 > Board 15, Dlr S, NS Vul > Australia Vs Chinese Taipei > > AKQJT65 > AJT3 > --- > J8 > --- 87 > 4 K8762 > QJ98764 KT52 > T9732 A6 > 9432 > Q95 > A3 > KQ54 > > In the closed room, South for Chinese Taipei > declared 6S after East had doubled North's cuebid > of 6D. West therefore eschewed the killing lead of > the four of hearts, instead selecting a diamond > lead. Declarer now made the slam via a Morton's > Fork. +1430 to Chinese Taipei. > > In the Open Room, the Aussie Youth pair were > Canberrans Griff Ware (North) and Daniel > Geromboux (South). According to Griff Ware, > this is what happened: > > "In the Open Room, the bidding phase was somewhat > astounding: Daniel as South opened a Weak 1NT, and > West overcalled 2NT, which showed either minors or > majors. The board came under the screen and I was > contemplating just bidding 6S straight out, not > having any sensible way to get partner to bid > Spades (note that from North's point of view it > seems like you want South to declare spades to > protect the C lead). However, at this point the > West player on the other side of the screen called > the director. It turned out that West thought that > a Weak NT was alertable (he was wrong, it is NOT > alertable under the WBF regs we were playing under); > however, the director made a mistake and thought it > was alertable as well. Then the director made a > further mistake by allowing the board to come back > under the screen and have West change his bid. > Apparently the opponents played a different system > over a Weak NT compared to a Strong NT (over a > strong NT 2NT shows both minors, rather than either > majors or minors), and West wanted to change his > bid (given that his hand was suitable for a 2NT bid > in both situations, I'm not sure why). West changed > his call to pass. I now was unsure whether I should > just bid 6S, transfer to spades and then splinter in > D, or show a slam try in Spades by starting with a > 2S range probe bid. On reflection, I should > probably have transferred, but I used the range > probe to find out some information about partner's > hand. Partner showed a minimum with 2NT, and now > West bid 3D. I bid 3S, revealing the slam try, and > East bid 5D - Daniel bid 5S, West 6D, I bid 6S, > pass, pass to West who sacrificed in 7D. This went 3 > off doubled for +500 to us." > > [denouement snipped] > > * * * > > If you were the Chief Tournament Director, how would > you apply Law 82C to rectify the error? > > > Best wishes > > Richard Hills From gesta at tiscali.co.uk Wed Jul 13 00:37:19 2005 From: gesta at tiscali.co.uk (Grattan) Date: Wed Jul 13 00:40:28 2005 Subject: [blml] London terror attack 7.7.05. Message-ID: <000201c58732$63901a30$7fa6403e@Mildred> Grattan Endicott References: Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20050713084601.046aa5d0@pop-server.bigpond.net.au> At 11:26 PM 12/07/2005, you wrote: > > > > 2005 PABFC, Youth Round Robin 1, Match 9 > > Board 15, Dlr S, NS Vul > > Australia Vs Chinese Taipei Even if this is the first board to be played, it seems extraordinary that you havent found out another team's basic system at International level before starting. Or is this just another feature of youth bridge. Tony (Sydney) >W claims he didn't know that 1N was the weak variety yet a few seconds after >he bid 2N he claims to know that 1N was the weak variety. hmmm. > >I do believe that that this is the first Alcatraz Coup during the auction >I've seen. > >regards >roger pewick > >_______________________________________________ >blml mailing list >blml@amsterdamned.org >http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.12/46 - Release Date: 11/07/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.13/47 - Release Date: 12/07/2005 From richard.hills at immi.gov.au Wed Jul 13 00:55:36 2005 From: richard.hills at immi.gov.au (richard.hills@immi.gov.au) Date: Wed Jul 13 00:55:40 2005 Subject: [blml] Director's error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Roger Pewick: >W claims he didn't know that 1N was the weak variety yet a few >seconds after he bid 2N he claims to know that 1N was the weak >variety. hmmm. > >I do believe that this is the first Alcatraz Coup during the >auction I've seen. Richard Hills: The version of the facts was related by North, who was not the screenmate of West. It is entirely possible that, after West called (and passed the bidding tray under the screen), West then glanced at South's system card, noticed that North-South played an 11-14 1NT, so then called the director. 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Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grattan" To: "blml" Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 6:37 PM Subject: [blml] London terror attack 7.7.05. > > Grattan Endicott [also grandeval@vejez.fsnet.co.uk] > ********************************* > "Ne'er saw I, never felt, a calm so deep, > The river glideth at his own sweet will: > Dear God, the very houses seem asleep; > And all that mighty heart is lying still." > [ 'Upon Westminster Bridge' ] > ============================= > > +=+ In case you are not up to date with the London situation, it is now > 99% certain we are concerned with > British born suicide bombers of Pakistani extraction, > British citizens by birth. Over 50 wounded are still in hospital, some > number in intensive care; the confirmed dead number 52, the wounded over > 700. The number of dead confirmed will increase - the emergency services > are still looking for and collecting body parts and tissue. > Four 'suspects' have been identified on CCTV; three travelled from > their homes in Leeds to Luton on > Thursday morning, joined there by a fourth they travelled > together by train to Kings Cross terminus in London. The > station CCTV shows them all carrying rucksacks. One > arrest has occurred, a relative of one of the bombers. > Military explosives have been found in houses searched in Leeds and in > vehicles left at the railway station in Luton. > It is believed someone 'expert' came into the coutry to > make the bombs and left again before the event. Some of > the explosives are unstable; this may explain the possibly > premature explosion on the bus in Tavistock square. The > other detonations were in London underground railway > carriages at three different locations. > An Italian paper has the reported a name of one of the suspects on its web > site - the authorities in the UK have given them no names. It is all > pretty appalling and > described here as "Britain's 9/11". +=+ > > _______________________________________________ > blml mailing list > blml@amsterdamned.org > http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > From richard.hills at immi.gov.au Wed Jul 13 05:43:48 2005 From: richard.hills at immi.gov.au (richard.hills@immi.gov.au) Date: Wed Jul 13 05:45:47 2005 Subject: [blml] London terror attack 7.7.05. In-Reply-To: <002701c58752$32b1ac60$a1255244@immi.gov.au> Message-ID: C.S. Lewis, 1946, "A Reply to Professor Haldane" in "Of Other Worlds: Essays and Stories": >>I am a democrat because I believe that no man or >>group of men is good enough to be trusted with >>uncontrolled power over others. And the higher >>the pretensions of such power, the more dangerous >>I think it both the rulers and to the subjects. >> >>Hence Theocracy is the worst of all governments. >>If we must have a tyrant a robber baron is far >>better than an inquisitor. The baron's cruelty >>may sometimes sleep, his cupidity at some point >>be sated; and since he dimly knows he is doing >>wrong he may possibly repent. But the inquisitor >>who mistakes his own cruelty and lust of power >>and fear for the voice of Heaven will torment us >>infinitely because he torments us with the >>approval of his conscience and his better >>impulses appear to him as temptations. In "The best we can do" thread, Grattan wrote: [snip] >Do not misunderstand me. In a democracy the >majority is 'right' and, in the minority, I am >'wrong'. However, in a democracy my right of >public dissent is secure. > ~ Grattan ~ +=+ Richard Hills: My personal opinion is consistent with the two esteemed gentleman quoted above. Although I join C.S. Lewis in having fundamental Christian beliefs, and although I join Grattan in (my very frequent) dissents from the majority, I also believe that I do *not* have the right to forcibly impose my Christian beliefs on others. "The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath." Best wishes Richard Hills Movie grognard and paronomasiac From richard.hills at immi.gov.au Wed Jul 13 06:37:59 2005 From: richard.hills at immi.gov.au (richard.hills@immi.gov.au) Date: Wed Jul 13 06:39:59 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Write-up Change? In-Reply-To: <003f01c584b8$8e9c8b40$6701a8c0@immi.gov.au> Message-ID: Marv initially wrote: >>(1) The place on the CC to show Ogust is very prominent. The TD >>would not have missed it, [snip] Marv later wrote: >I have received more information that should have been in the >writeup. > >1. The AC was very upset with the TD for not acknowledging the >existence of Ogust on the CC, as witnessed by someone (my >source) who was in the room. [snip] Richard Hills: Given the later information, it seems to me that Marv's initial assertion was in error. Marv asserted, "The TD would not have missed it." I assert, "The TD should not have missed it." Trainee table directors at large national championships are often less effective than the nature of the event demands. On the other hand, Australia has a deliberate policy of using a few trainee directors at its January nationals (the Summer Festival of Bridge). This is because on-the-job coaching and supervision of trainee directors by more senior directors is a great way for ineffective directors to learn to become effective directors. A highly ineffective trainee director will make their national directing debut at the 2006 Summer Festival of Bridge. I hope that my inaugural national rulings do not get lampooned on blml. :-) Best wishes Richard Hills Movie grognard and paronomasiac From richard.hills at immi.gov.au Wed Jul 13 07:02:28 2005 From: richard.hills at immi.gov.au (richard.hills@immi.gov.au) Date: Wed Jul 13 07:04:25 2005 Subject: [blml] Director's error In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050713084601.046aa5d0@pop-server.bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: Tony Musgrove (Sydney): >Even if this is the first board to be played, it seems >extraordinary that you haven't found out another >team's basic system at International level before >starting. Or is this just another feature of youth >bridge? Richard Hills (Canberra): >From the writeup, it seems likely that Chinese Taipei has a greater uniformity of systems than Australia, as it seems that strong 1NTs are unAlertable in Chinese Taipei, while weak 1NTs are Alertable. (New Zealand has a mirror-image uniformity of system; Kiwis are required to Alert strong 1NTs, but weak 1NTs are unAlertable.) Therefore, it seems that both the Chinese Taipei South and the table director were unaware that the WBF Alert rules were different from their local Alert rules. And if one is used to uniformity of systems, it is easy for one to carelessly fail to find out what an opposing pair are playing. Tony may not realise that it is the Aussie diversity of systems which is "extraordinary", compared to the monocultures in most other national contract bridge organisations. :-) Best wishes Richard Hills Movie grognard and paronomasiac From fii12 at emailaccount.com Wed Jul 13 08:01:08 2005 From: fii12 at emailaccount.com (Alvin Glass) Date: Wed Jul 13 07:08:43 2005 Subject: [blml] Approval rate accepted Message-ID: <101.55e558d5.2a9HBK44@mih.com> Hello, We tried contacting you awhile ago about your low interest morta(ge rate. You have been selected for our lowest rate in years... You could get over $420,000 for as little as $400 a month! Ba(d credit, Bank*ruptcy? Doesn't matter, low rates are fixed no matter what! To get a free, no obli,gation consultation click below: http://www.stray-d0g.com/signs.asp Best Regards, Simone Cash to be remov(ed: http://www.stray-d0g.com/deletion.asp this process takes one week, so please be patient. we do our best to take your email/s off but you have to fill out a rem/ove or else you will continue to recieve email/s. From mfrench1 at san.rr.com Wed Jul 13 07:12:43 2005 From: mfrench1 at san.rr.com (Marvin French) Date: Wed Jul 13 07:16:18 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Write-up Change? References: Message-ID: <00b401c58769$80db51e0$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> Richard Hills wrote: > > Marv initially wrote: > > >>(1) The place on the CC to show Ogust is very prominent. The TD > >>would not have missed it, > > [snip] > > Marv later wrote: > > >I have received more information that should have been in the > >writeup. > > > >1. The AC was very upset with the TD for not acknowledging the > >existence of Ogust on the CC, as witnessed by someone (my > >source) who was in the room. > > [snip] > > Richard Hills: > > Given the later information, it seems to me that Marv's initial > assertion was in error. > > Marv asserted, "The TD would not have missed it." > I assert, "The TD should not have missed it." > Marv now repudiates what he wrote above, no longer trusting that new information. Until I get the TD's side of this story, which I intend to do soon at the Atlanta NABC, my original opinion stands, based on what the writeup says: The TD was unable to determine the E-W agreement, but the AC was able to do so. The question is how they did that, which the writeup does not reveal. See my exchange with Barry Rigal on rec.games.bridge Marv Marvin L. French San Diego, California From richard.hills at immi.gov.au Wed Jul 13 07:16:20 2005 From: richard.hills at immi.gov.au (richard.hills@immi.gov.au) Date: Wed Jul 13 07:18:52 2005 Subject: [blml] Director's error In-Reply-To: <1DsQwq-1um1js0@immi.gov.au> Message-ID: Peter Eidt: >IMHO I would decide N 6 Spades = (+1430) for both sides. > >According L 82C I have to treat both sides as non-offending >concerning the string of TD faults. So the 1430 for NS are >obvious. > >But for EW I would read L 21 B1, which says, that is must be >probable (for West), that the change of his call was made >as a result of misinformation through his opponent. >Given the system of EW below his hand is shown thru 2 NT >against either range of the 1 NT. >In my opinion it is not the duty of the TD to determine >the probability (requested by L 21 B1) before he gives >the player the opportunity to change his call. He has just >to mention it and to decide afterwards, whether the change >complied with the conditions. >I would negate this and treat EW furthermore as offending >side concerning the trouble arisen thru the change of the >2 NT call. Without this call the contract most probable >would have been 6 Spades by North (see below) without the >chance of evaluating a lucrative sacrifice. Richard Hills: In my opinion, Peter is confusing what the table director _should have initially_ ruled with what the Chief Director _must now_ rule under Law 82C. Law 82C specifically states that, after an erroneous ruling by a table TD, the CTD must deem "**both** sides as non- offending for that purpose". Therefore, I agree with the actual Law 82C ruling given by the CTD (which I deliberately snipped from my initial posting on this thread to permit blml debate). The previously snipped denouement: >>After the director's stuff up was reported to the Chief >>Tournament Director, it was eventually decided that we >>would get an adjusted result of 6S by North for +1430 >>(crediting me with playing the Morton's Fork properly >>;-) ), because if the 2NT bid was correctly left >>undisturbed I probably would have just bid 6S, over >>which East wouldn't want to bid looking at AC, KH, KD, >>and West probably wouldn't sacrifice having already >>shown his hand. >> >>However, EW were given the benefit of the doubt because >>it was a director's error, and allowed to keep their >>-500: this led to a split score in the match so that >>we won the match 18Vps to 15Vps ! Best wishes Richard Hills Movie grognard and paronomasiac From mustikka at charter.net Wed Jul 13 07:56:19 2005 From: mustikka at charter.net (raija) Date: Wed Jul 13 07:58:23 2005 Subject: [blml] Director's error References: Message-ID: <001301c5876f$979a7950$8e65d642@DFYXB361> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [blml] Director's error > > > > > Tony Musgrove (Sydney): > >>Even if this is the first board to be played, it seems >>extraordinary that you haven't found out another >>team's basic system at International level before >>starting. Or is this just another feature of youth >>bridge? > > Richard Hills (Canberra): > >>From the writeup, it seems likely that Chinese Taipei > has a greater uniformity of systems than Australia, as > it seems that strong 1NTs are unAlertable in Chinese > Taipei, while weak 1NTs are Alertable. > > (New Zealand has a mirror-image uniformity of system; > Kiwis are required to Alert strong 1NTs, but weak 1NTs > are unAlertable.) > > Therefore, it seems that both the Chinese Taipei South > and the table director were unaware that the WBF Alert > rules were different from their local Alert rules. > > And if one is used to uniformity of systems, it is > easy for one to carelessly fail to find out what an > opposing pair are playing. > > Tony may not realise that it is the Aussie diversity > of systems which is "extraordinary", compared to the > monocultures in most other national contract bridge > organisations. > > :-) says he proudly...:) From Damocles at nyhagen.com Wed Jul 13 09:28:29 2005 From: Damocles at nyhagen.com (Hilda) Date: Wed Jul 13 09:32:49 2005 Subject: [blml] Will This be a Stox Market Standout? 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These statements may include terms as "expect", "believe", "may", "will", "move","undervalued" , "speculative target price" and "intend" or similar terms. From wordy at notoriousbig.every1.net Wed Jul 13 09:29:51 2005 From: wordy at notoriousbig.every1.net (Morris) Date: Wed Jul 13 09:34:04 2005 Subject: [blml] SmallCap Stox Can Sizzle Message-ID: <3623244221.12555163723@r200-125-8-79-dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Investor Alert Newsletter - 13 July Issue 2005 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Our last stock pick was CYGT and it moved from 70 cents to 1.45 and its still at 1.45 For the next big stock pick read Below ---> Breaking News: Ticker (NTMT) - NetMusic Entertainment Announces Wholesale Initiative Top July Stock Alert: NTMT (NetMusic Entertainment ) The stock is trading at only 16 cents and we expect it could hit 40-50 cents by mid July. HUGE PR campaign expected this week so grab as much as you can up to 40 cents range _________________________________ Stock Symbol: NTMT Current Price: $0.16 We expect the price to go to $0.45 in next 2-3 days We expect the price to go to $0.52 in next 2 weeks _________________________________ Big news released: Ticker (NTMT) - NetMusic Entertainment Announces Wholesale Initiative =================================================================================================== About the company: NetMusic Entertainment is quickly growing into a dominant force in the online music industry. With its new acquisition, Ultimate Jukebox Inc., NetMusic is leveraging its library of music content and entering the thriving new digital jukebox market. With more acquisitions on the horizon, NetMusic Entertainment will soon be quadrupling its music content, making its online music offering one of the largest in the world. NetMusic's flagship website, netmusic.com, first went into operation in 1995 as a directory of music-related information. In 2004 the company launched an enhanced version of the site focused on digital distribution of music. NetMusic.com currently offers over 250,000 digital music tracks and over 250,000 CDs. =================================================================================================== _________________________________ Stock Symbol: NTMT Current Price: $0.16 We expect the price to go to $0.45 in next 2-3 days We expect the price to go to $0.52 in next 2 weeks _________________________________ Big news released: Ticker (NTMT) - NetMusic Entertainment Announces Wholesale Initiative The NEws: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ SEATTLE, Jul 8, 2005 (PRIMEZONE via COMTEX) -- NetMusic Entertainment Corporation (Pink Sheets:NTMT) announced today the company's recent alignment of focus towards the delivery of wholesale digital media and services is being well received in the marketplace. 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These statements may include terms as "expect", "believe", "may", "will", "move","undervalued" , "speculative target price" and "intend" or similar terms. From twm at cix.co.uk Wed Jul 13 09:58:00 2005 From: twm at cix.co.uk (Tim West-Meads) Date: Wed Jul 13 10:00:11 2005 Subject: [blml] Director's error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Richard wrote: > It turned out that West thought that > a Weak NT was alertable (he was wrong, it is NOT > alertable under the WBF regs we were playing under); > however, the director made a mistake and thought it > was alertable as well. Hmm. The WBF policy on alerts of NT bids is: If screens are not in use, do NOT alert the following: 2. Any no-trump bid which suggests a balanced or semi-balanced hand, or suggests a no-trump contract. By implication there may be a difference if screens *are* in use but perhaps the actual CoC clarified the matter. My feeling is that a weak NT should not be alertable (even with screens) and the TD *did* make a mistake so I'll comment based on that assumption. > Then the director made a > further mistake by allowing the board to come back > under the screen and have West change his bid. An option he should have given under L25b - it is possible the option would have been taken. > Apparently the opponents played a different system > over a Weak NT compared to a Strong NT (over a > strong NT 2NT shows both minors, rather than either > majors or minors), and West wanted to change his > bid (given that his hand was suitable for a 2NT bid > in both situations, I'm not sure why). Possibly because it is played as "constructive" over a WNT, one would have to ask. > If you were the Chief Tournament Director, how would > you apply Law 82C to rectify the error? Firstly I'd hope we would agree that it is an error. Even those who do not believe that it is the TD's duty to determine whether a call was "probably based on MI" before allowing a substitution should surely accept that it *is* the TD's duty to correctly inform a player when no MI exists and no L21b change is permitted. I see four plausible outcomes had the TD not allowed a L21 change: 1) 2NT changed under L25b, NS +500/EW-3 IMPs 2) 2NT stands, 6S bid doubled and made NS+1680 3) 2NT stands, 6S bid and made NS+1430 4) 2NT stands, 7D sacrifice still found NS+500 My initial feeling is 1)+2) are "at all probable" rather than "likely" and thus, in the absence of an OS, can be ignored. I award a split score of NS+1430/EW-500. Tim From nospamfilius at lundhansen.dk Wed Jul 13 10:07:38 2005 From: nospamfilius at lundhansen.dk (Bertel Lund Hansen) Date: Wed Jul 13 10:08:44 2005 Subject: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? In-Reply-To: <000101c584b6$93b95c40$6400a8c0@WINXP> References: <000101c584b6$93b95c40$6400a8c0@WINXP> Message-ID: <95i9d158lu0eumpg6rf54mc2b7ucb7tdrl@mail.stofanet.dk> Sven Pran skrev: >I am serious. The last 14 messages received for blml to my mailbox has been >spam of various sorts. Such spam mainly fall into three groups: Sex, >mortgages and cheap software. I recently joined the mail list. I have just about as much spam as relevant messages. I just looked at the From-adresses because I supposed that it was just a question of weeding out the false list members, but I can see that not two sender names are the same. I wonder if the spammers have automated the procedure of requesting and confirming a list membership. Is it possible to make a three step enter procedure? 1. A person makes a request, 2. and receives an automatic message which asks for a confirmation, 3. confirms, and sends his first message, 4. which goes to the administrator who manually and finally confirms that the person is an authentic member. This would put a little more work on the shoulders of the administrator, but not very much really. We are talking about one manual action per new member. The spammers' requests and messages can be ignored. Another thing: I would like to be able to just press R (Reply) when answering a message to the list, and not have to edit the receiver address. I know that it is possible to set this up. I am pretty sure that as it is now, some time or other I will send a private answer to somebody instead of to the list. -- Bertel http://bertel.lundhansen.dk/ FIDUSO: http://fiduso.dk/ From hermandw at hdw.be Wed Jul 13 11:15:32 2005 From: hermandw at hdw.be (Herman De Wael) Date: Wed Jul 13 11:15:31 2005 Subject: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? In-Reply-To: <95i9d158lu0eumpg6rf54mc2b7ucb7tdrl@mail.stofanet.dk> References: <000101c584b6$93b95c40$6400a8c0@WINXP> <95i9d158lu0eumpg6rf54mc2b7ucb7tdrl@mail.stofanet.dk> Message-ID: <42D4DBB4.20508@hdw.be> Bertel Lund Hansen wrote: > Sven Pran skrev: > > >>I am serious. The last 14 messages received for blml to my mailbox has been >>spam of various sorts. Such spam mainly fall into three groups: Sex, >>mortgages and cheap software. > > > I recently joined the mail list. I have just about as much spam > as relevant messages. I just looked at the From-adresses because > I supposed that it was just a question of weeding out the false > list members, but I can see that not two sender names are the > same. I wonder if the spammers have automated the procedure of > requesting and confirming a list membership. > > Is it possible to make a three step enter procedure? > > 1. A person makes a request, > 2. and receives an automatic message which asks for a > confirmation, > 3. confirms, and sends his first message, > 4. which goes to the administrator who manually and finally > confirms that the person is an authentic member. > I thought this was the case. I don't know why spam is suddenly a problem. Henk? > This would put a little more work on the shoulders of the > administrator, but not very much really. We are talking about one > manual action per new member. The spammers' requests and messages > can be ignored. > > Another thing: > I would like to be able to just press R (Reply) when answering a > message to the list, and not have to edit the receiver address. I > know that it is possible to set this up. > > I am pretty sure that as it is now, some time or other I will > send a private answer to somebody instead of to the list. > That too has been the request of many a list member in the past six years. I have continuously asked for it. I am quite used to changing the reply-address by now, and still sometimes I forget it. Henk? -- Herman DE WAEL Antwerpen Belgium http://www.hdw.be From rui.mlmarques at netvisao.pt Wed Jul 13 12:37:33 2005 From: rui.mlmarques at netvisao.pt (Rui Marques) Date: Wed Jul 13 12:39:29 2005 Subject: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? In-Reply-To: <42D4DBB4.20508@hdw.be> Message-ID: I am starting to think more and more that the forum format is better. Yes, we do keep the messages on the email if we want, with the current format, but the forum also keeps them, the threading is much better and in case your computer breaks down the forum "is there". And with registering, confirmation by email and mandatory logging, the control over spam is better with the forum. And when one is abroad the mailbox does not get cluttered to exhaustion! If the group starts to think the same way, I have the bandwith, disk space and available time to run the forum. Rui Marques Portugal -----Original Message----- From: blml-bounces@amsterdamned.org [mailto:blml-bounces@amsterdamned.org] On Behalf Of Herman De Wael Sent: quarta-feira, 13 de Julho de 2005 10:16 To: blml Subject: Re: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? Bertel Lund Hansen wrote: > Sven Pran skrev: > > >>I am serious. The last 14 messages received for blml to my mailbox has >>been spam of various sorts. Such spam mainly fall into three groups: >>Sex, mortgages and cheap software. > > > I recently joined the mail list. I have just about as much spam as > relevant messages. I just looked at the From-adresses because I > supposed that it was just a question of weeding out the false list > members, but I can see that not two sender names are the same. I > wonder if the spammers have automated the procedure of requesting and > confirming a list membership. > > Is it possible to make a three step enter procedure? > > 1. A person makes a request, > 2. and receives an automatic message which asks for a confirmation, 3. > confirms, and sends his first message, 4. which goes to the > administrator who manually and finally confirms that the person is an > authentic member. > I thought this was the case. I don't know why spam is suddenly a problem. Henk? > This would put a little more work on the shoulders of the > administrator, but not very much really. We are talking about one > manual action per new member. The spammers' requests and messages can > be ignored. > > Another thing: > I would like to be able to just press R (Reply) when answering a > message to the list, and not have to edit the receiver address. I know > that it is possible to set this up. > > I am pretty sure that as it is now, some time or other I will send a > private answer to somebody instead of to the list. > That too has been the request of many a list member in the past six years. I have continuously asked for it. I am quite used to changing the reply-address by now, and still sometimes I forget it. Henk? -- Herman DE WAEL Antwerpen Belgium http://www.hdw.be _______________________________________________ blml mailing list blml@amsterdamned.org http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml From john at asimere.com Wed Jul 13 13:50:35 2005 From: john at asimere.com (John (MadDog) Probst) Date: Wed Jul 13 13:53:59 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Write-up Change? In-Reply-To: References: <003f01c584b8$8e9c8b40$6701a8c0@immi.gov.au> Message-ID: In article , richard.hills@immi.gov.au writes snip > >A highly ineffective trainee director will make their national >directing debut at the 2006 Summer Festival of Bridge. I hope >that my inaugural national rulings do not get lampooned on blml. i think we should all go along, sit in some incompetent TD's section, and create some complex double infractions. :) Best of luck Richard, hope you enjoy it as much as I do. rgds John. > >:-) > >Best wishes > >Richard Hills >Movie grognard and paronomasiac > > >_______________________________________________ >blml mailing list >blml@amsterdamned.org >http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml -- John (MadDog) Probst| . ! -^- |AIM GLChienFou 451 Mile End Road | /|__. \:/ |BCLive ChienFou London E3 4PA | / @ __) -|- |john:at:asimere:dot:com +44-(0)20 8983 5818 | /\ --^ | |www.asimere.com/~john From blml at blakjak.com Wed Jul 13 14:42:23 2005 From: blml at blakjak.com (David Stevenson) Date: Wed Jul 13 14:45:11 2005 Subject: [blml] Re: The Best we can do In-Reply-To: <1DrVLZ-2GcJbk0@fwd16.aul.t-online.de> References: <000201c584d4$c8275040$6400a8c0@WINXP> <1DrVLZ-2GcJbk0@fwd16.aul.t-online.de> Message-ID: PeterEidt@t-online.de wrote >Hi Sven, > >try this one ... > >http://www.worldbridge.org/departments/laws/cmte_minutes.asp > >This is the official WBF-site. There are 16 minutes since 1998 >available. The good news is that it now has 2003 which it did not last time I looked. The bad news is that it is Adobe Acrobat, and I do not know how to turn that into text/word. -- David Stevenson Bridge RTFLB Cats Railways /\ /\ Liverpool, England, UK Fax: +44 870 055 7697 @ @ ICQ 20039682 bluejak on OKB =( + )= Lawspage: http://blakjak.com/lws_menu.htm ~ From svenpran at online.no Wed Jul 13 14:46:54 2005 From: svenpran at online.no (Sven Pran) Date: Wed Jul 13 14:48:47 2005 Subject: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? In-Reply-To: <200507131105.j6DB5J2R025127@mail25.nsc.no> Message-ID: <000001c587a8$f2c63a60$6400a8c0@WINXP> If a forum is what I think it is then you may count me in for switching from mailing list to forum! Regards Sven > -----Original Message----- > From: blml-bounces@amsterdamned.org [mailto:blml-bounces@amsterdamned.org] > On Behalf Of Rui Marques > Sent: 13. juli 2005 12:38 > To: 'blml' > Subject: RE: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? > > I am starting to think more and more that the forum format is better. > > Yes, we do keep the messages on the email if we want, with the current > format, but the forum also keeps them, the threading is much better and in > case your computer breaks down the forum "is there". And with registering, > confirmation by email and mandatory logging, the control over spam is > better > with the forum. And when one is abroad the mailbox does not get cluttered > to > exhaustion! If the group starts to think the same way, I have the > bandwith, > disk space and available time to run the forum. > > Rui Marques > Portugal > > -----Original Message----- > From: blml-bounces@amsterdamned.org [mailto:blml-bounces@amsterdamned.org] > On Behalf Of Herman De Wael > Sent: quarta-feira, 13 de Julho de 2005 10:16 > To: blml > Subject: Re: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? > > Bertel Lund Hansen wrote: > > > Sven Pran skrev: > > > > > >>I am serious. The last 14 messages received for blml to my mailbox has > >>been spam of various sorts. Such spam mainly fall into three groups: > >>Sex, mortgages and cheap software. > > > > > > I recently joined the mail list. I have just about as much spam as > > relevant messages. I just looked at the From-adresses because I > > supposed that it was just a question of weeding out the false list > > members, but I can see that not two sender names are the same. I > > wonder if the spammers have automated the procedure of requesting and > > confirming a list membership. > > > > Is it possible to make a three step enter procedure? > > > > 1. A person makes a request, > > 2. and receives an automatic message which asks for a confirmation, 3. > > confirms, and sends his first message, 4. which goes to the > > administrator who manually and finally confirms that the person is an > > authentic member. > > > > I thought this was the case. I don't know why spam is suddenly a problem. > Henk? > > > This would put a little more work on the shoulders of the > > administrator, but not very much really. We are talking about one > > manual action per new member. The spammers' requests and messages can > > be ignored. > > > > Another thing: > > I would like to be able to just press R (Reply) when answering a > > message to the list, and not have to edit the receiver address. I know > > that it is possible to set this up. > > > > I am pretty sure that as it is now, some time or other I will send a > > private answer to somebody instead of to the list. > > > > That too has been the request of many a list member in the past six years. > I > have continuously asked for it. I am quite used to changing the > reply-address by now, and still sometimes I forget it. > > Henk? > > -- > Herman DE WAEL > Antwerpen Belgium > http://www.hdw.be > > > _______________________________________________ > blml mailing list > blml@amsterdamned.org > http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > > > > > _______________________________________________ > blml mailing list > blml@amsterdamned.org > http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml From blml at blakjak.com Wed Jul 13 14:47:22 2005 From: blml at blakjak.com (David Stevenson) Date: Wed Jul 13 14:50:29 2005 Subject: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? References: <42D4DBB4.20508@hdw.be> Message-ID: Rui Marques wrote > I am starting to think more and more that the forum format is better. > >Yes, we do keep the messages on the email if we want, with the current >format, but the forum also keeps them, the threading is much better and in >case your computer breaks down the forum "is there". And with registering, >confirmation by email and mandatory logging, the control over spam is better >with the forum. And when one is abroad the mailbox does not get cluttered to >exhaustion! If the group starts to think the same way, I have the bandwith, >disk space and available time to run the forum. Of course my IBLF and equivalent for appeals are run as forums on Bridgetalk. I expect one could add BLML to that easily. Note I do not run the technical side. -- David Stevenson Bridge RTFLB Cats Railways /\ /\ Liverpool, England, UK Fax: +44 870 055 7697 @ @ ICQ 20039682 bluejak on OKB =( + )= Lawspage: http://blakjak.com/lws_menu.htm ~ From blml at blakjak.com Wed Jul 13 14:53:01 2005 From: blml at blakjak.com (David Stevenson) Date: Wed Jul 13 14:55:50 2005 Subject: [blml] Director's error In-Reply-To: References: <1DsQwq-1um1js0@immi.gov.au> Message-ID: <90TA$pit6Q1CFweK@blakjak.demon.co.uk> wrote >Peter Eidt: > >>IMHO I would decide N 6 Spades = (+1430) for both sides. >> >>According L 82C I have to treat both sides as non-offending >>concerning the string of TD faults. So the 1430 for NS are >>obvious. >> >>But for EW I would read L 21 B1, which says, that is must be >>probable (for West), that the change of his call was made >>as a result of misinformation through his opponent. >>Given the system of EW below his hand is shown thru 2 NT >>against either range of the 1 NT. >>In my opinion it is not the duty of the TD to determine >>the probability (requested by L 21 B1) before he gives >>the player the opportunity to change his call. He has just >>to mention it and to decide afterwards, whether the change >>complied with the conditions. >>I would negate this and treat EW furthermore as offending >>side concerning the trouble arisen thru the change of the >>2 NT call. Without this call the contract most probable >>would have been 6 Spades by North (see below) without the >>chance of evaluating a lucrative sacrifice. > >Richard Hills: > >In my opinion, Peter is confusing what the table director >_should have initially_ ruled with what the Chief Director >_must now_ rule under Law 82C. > >Law 82C specifically states that, after an erroneous ruling >by a table TD, the CTD must deem "**both** sides as non- >offending for that purpose". > >Therefore, I agree with the actual Law 82C ruling given by >the CTD (which I deliberately snipped from my initial >posting on this thread to permit blml debate). If you believe that the correct ruling would have been NS +1430 as Peter does, giving a pretty logical reason, then despite L82C and benefit of the doubt the correct ruling is NS +1430 for both sides. >The previously snipped denouement: > >>>After the director's stuff up was reported to the Chief >>>Tournament Director, it was eventually decided that we >>>would get an adjusted result of 6S by North for +1430 >>>(crediting me with playing the Morton's Fork properly >>>;-) ), because if the 2NT bid was correctly left >>>undisturbed I probably would have just bid 6S, over >>>which East wouldn't want to bid looking at AC, KH, KD, >>>and West probably wouldn't sacrifice having already >>>shown his hand. >>> >>>However, EW were given the benefit of the doubt because >>>it was a director's error, and allowed to keep their >>>-500: this led to a split score in the match so that >>>we won the match 18Vps to 15Vps ! It is easy to get this L82C business wrong: if you believe you know what would happen a split score is unnecessary. -- David Stevenson Bridge RTFLB Cats Railways /\ /\ Liverpool, England, UK Fax: +44 870 055 7697 @ @ ICQ 20039682 bluejak on OKB =( + )= Lawspage: http://blakjak.com/lws_menu.htm ~ From cibor at poczta.fm Wed Jul 13 15:19:57 2005 From: cibor at poczta.fm (Konrad Ciborowski) Date: Wed Jul 13 15:21:54 2005 Subject: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? Message-ID: <20050713131957.A1449A4165@poczta.interia.pl> > If a forum is what I think it is then you may count me in for switching > from > mailing list to forum! > I hate forums for various reasons. E-mails are much more comfortable to deal with. As for losing them - we have the BLML archives website which works more or less like a forum. So I vote "nay". __________________ Konrad Ciborowski Krak?w, Poland ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cos sie dzieje??? >>> http://link.interia.pl/f189f From Robin.Barker at npl.co.uk Wed Jul 13 15:22:55 2005 From: Robin.Barker at npl.co.uk (Robin Barker) Date: Wed Jul 13 15:25:00 2005 Subject: [blml] The Best we can do Message-ID: <533D273D4014D411AB1D00062938C4D90849C72A@hotel.npl.co.uk> -----Original Message----- From: David Stevenson [mailto:blml@blakjak.com] Sent: 13 July 2005 13:42 To: blml@rtflb.org Subject: Re: [blml] Re: The Best we can do PeterEidt@t-online.de wrote >Hi Sven, > >try this one ... > >http://www.worldbridge.org/departments/laws/cmte_minutes.asp > >This is the official WBF-site. There are 16 minutes since 1998 >available. The good news is that it now has 2003 which it did not last time I looked. The bad news is that it is Adobe Acrobat, and I do not know how to turn that into text/word. ----- David 1) ECATS has 2004 minutes http://www.ecatsbridge.com/documents/files/WBF%20Information%5CWBF%20Reports%20and%20Minutes%5CLaws%20Committee%20Minutes/2004%20LC%20Minutes%20Istanbul.pdf from the WBF Information / WBF Reports and Minutes / Laws Committee page http://www.ecatsbridge.com/documents/docdefault.asp?page=Laws+Committee+Minutes&start=c%3A%5Cinetpub%5Cwwwroot%5Cecatsbridge%5Cdocuments%5Cfiles%5CWBF+Information%5CWBF+Reports+and+Minutes 2) PDF (Adobe Acrobat) into text/word a) open in acrobat reader b) File -> Save as Text... or select text and copy to clipboard c) Open text file in word, or paste clipboard 3) Why do you want to turn PDF into text/word ? Robin ------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and/or privileged material; it is for the intended addressee(s) only. If you are not a named addressee, you must not use, retain or disclose such information. NPL Management Ltd cannot guarantee that the e-mail or any attachments are free from viruses. NPL Management Ltd. Registered in England and Wales. No: 2937881 Registered Office: Serco House, 16 Bartley Wood Business Park, Hook, Hampshire, United Kingdom RG27 9UY ------------------------------------------------------------------- From amam at familycommunications.com Wed Jul 13 15:30:17 2005 From: amam at familycommunications.com (antonio moore) Date: Wed Jul 13 15:50:49 2005 Subject: [blml] Experience More Powerful Erections Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050713/fe17224e/attachment.html From anne.jones1 at ntlworld.com Wed Jul 13 16:04:44 2005 From: anne.jones1 at ntlworld.com (Anne Jones) Date: Wed Jul 13 16:06:38 2005 Subject: [blml] Is **** on blml getting out of control? References: <42D4DBB4.20508@hdw.be> Message-ID: <001801c587b3$d34c35d0$b4300952@AnnesComputer> Any e-mail with the S word gets deleted by my e-mail programme. I have to be extra vigilant to rescue these pearls of wisdom. Anne http://www.baa-lamb.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Stevenson" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? > Rui Marques wrote >> I am starting to think more and more that the forum format is better. >> >>Yes, we do keep the messages on the email if we want, with the current >>format, but the forum also keeps them, the threading is much better and in >>case your computer breaks down the forum "is there". And with registering, >>confirmation by email and mandatory logging, the control over spam is >>better >>with the forum. And when one is abroad the mailbox does not get cluttered >>to >>exhaustion! If the group starts to think the same way, I have the >>bandwith, >>disk space and available time to run the forum. > > Of course my IBLF and equivalent for appeals are run as forums on > Bridgetalk. I expect one could add BLML to that easily. Note I do not > run the technical side. > > -- > David Stevenson Bridge RTFLB Cats Railways /\ /\ > Liverpool, England, UK Fax: +44 870 055 7697 @ @ > ICQ 20039682 bluejak on OKB =( + )= > Lawspage: http://blakjak.com/lws_menu.htm ~ > > _______________________________________________ > blml mailing list > blml@amsterdamned.org > http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > From adam at irvine.com Wed Jul 13 16:36:33 2005 From: adam at irvine.com (Adam Beneschan) Date: Wed Jul 13 16:38:27 2005 Subject: [blml] Is **** on blml getting out of control? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:04:44 BST." <001801c587b3$d34c35d0$b4300952@AnnesComputer> Message-ID: <200507131436.HAA20576@mailhub.irvine.com> Anne wrote: > Any e-mail with the S word gets deleted by my e-mail programme. I have to be > extra vigilant to rescue these pearls of wisdom. Now this, I don't understand. Why would an e-mail program delete mail with the word "maps"? (Spell this backward or turn your monitor upside down to figure out what I'm talking about.) E-mail that actually *is* Maps usually doesn't say it's Maps. (For what it's worth, our mail system allows anything with [blml] in the header, and this check takes precedence over all the other checks for Maps words and phrases. This means that all the [blml] Maps gets through, even messages that wouldn't get through otherwise. I'm considering changing this, but the volume of Maps with [blml] in the header is still pretty small compared to the total amount of Maps I used to get before I installed the filter.) -- Adam From twm at cix.co.uk Wed Jul 13 16:58:00 2005 From: twm at cix.co.uk (Tim West-Meads) Date: Wed Jul 13 17:00:22 2005 Subject: [blml] Director's error In-Reply-To: <90TA$pit6Q1CFweK@blakjak.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: DWS wrote: > >>>However, EW were given the benefit of the doubt because > >>>it was a director's error, and allowed to keep their > >>>-500: this led to a split score in the match so that > >>>we won the match 18Vps to 15Vps ! > > It is easy to get this L82C business wrong: if you believe you know > what would happen a split score is unnecessary. While true we are not told exactly what "doubt" EW received the benefit of. The reported words were from N's POV not the official ruling of the AC. My own first impression was that N would likely bid 6S, E would probably double and West would pull (having much more length and less strength than he would normally have for a 2NT overcall vs a weak NT). Considering this sequence (combined with the possibilities of N starting with a double, or other sequences) on the borderline of likelihood I gave EW the "benefit of the doubt" in deciding on a split score. My judgement may be off, and I might have decided otherwise had I had the info available to the AC but there is nothing technically wrong with such a ruling. One would expect L82c to give a greater percentage of split score rulings than other adjustments. Tim From anne.jones1 at ntlworld.com Wed Jul 13 18:05:20 2005 From: anne.jones1 at ntlworld.com (Anne Jones) Date: Wed Jul 13 18:07:14 2005 Subject: [blml] Is **** on blml getting out of control? References: <200507131436.HAA20576@mailhub.irvine.com> Message-ID: <001101c587c4$ac9da700$b4300952@AnnesComputer> I have told mine to file all mail with blml in the subject line in a folder and it does so normally. My deleted items box contains lots of stuff that has got there automatically and its all had [maps] added to the subject line. I believe this a function of a microsoft windows XP facility, or maybe of Trend Internet Security.I recall that I was once asked if I wanted rubbish dumped. Presumably when e-mail which was sent to multiple recipients arrives it is labelled 'maps' and then there is a search for that word and it is screened out before any other instruction is read. Anne http://www.baa-lamb.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Beneschan" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [blml] Is **** on blml getting out of control? > > Anne wrote: > >> Any e-mail with the S word gets deleted by my e-mail programme. I have to >> be >> extra vigilant to rescue these pearls of wisdom. > > Now this, I don't understand. Why would an e-mail program delete mail > with the word "maps"? (Spell this backward or turn your monitor > upside down to figure out what I'm talking about.) E-mail that > actually *is* Maps usually doesn't say it's Maps. > > (For what it's worth, our mail system allows anything with [blml] in > the header, and this check takes precedence over all the other checks > for Maps words and phrases. This means that all the [blml] Maps gets > through, even messages that wouldn't get through otherwise. I'm > considering changing this, but the volume of Maps with [blml] in the > header is still pretty small compared to the total amount of Maps I > used to get before I installed the filter.) > > -- Adam > > > _______________________________________________ > blml mailing list > blml@amsterdamned.org > http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > From bigfoot at dc.rr.com Wed Jul 13 18:05:36 2005 From: bigfoot at dc.rr.com (Irv Kostal) Date: Wed Jul 13 18:07:32 2005 Subject: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? References: <000101c584b6$93b95c40$6400a8c0@WINXP> <95i9d158lu0eumpg6rf54mc2b7ucb7tdrl@mail.stofanet.dk> Message-ID: <001d01c587c4$b51bb980$6501a8c0@irv> Yes, I think the spam is getting to be an odious burden and wish it could be stopped. Please find a way to eliminate it. It can't be that they're smarter than us - we play Bridge, don't we? Irv Kostal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bertel Lund Hansen" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 1:07 AM Subject: Re: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? > Sven Pran skrev: > >>I am serious. The last 14 messages received for blml to my mailbox has >>been >>spam of various sorts. Such spam mainly fall into three groups: Sex, >>mortgages and cheap software. > > I recently joined the mail list. I have just about as much spam > as relevant messages. I just looked at the From-adresses because > I supposed that it was just a question of weeding out the false > list members, but I can see that not two sender names are the > same. I wonder if the spammers have automated the procedure of > requesting and confirming a list membership. > > Is it possible to make a three step enter procedure? > > 1. A person makes a request, > 2. and receives an automatic message which asks for a > confirmation, > 3. confirms, and sends his first message, > 4. which goes to the administrator who manually and finally > confirms that the person is an authentic member. > > This would put a little more work on the shoulders of the > administrator, but not very much really. We are talking about one > manual action per new member. The spammers' requests and messages > can be ignored. > > Another thing: > I would like to be able to just press R (Reply) when answering a > message to the list, and not have to edit the receiver address. I > know that it is possible to set this up. > > I am pretty sure that as it is now, some time or other I will > send a private answer to somebody instead of to the list. > > -- > Bertel > http://bertel.lundhansen.dk/ FIDUSO: http://fiduso.dk/ > > _______________________________________________ > blml mailing list > blml@amsterdamned.org > http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml From nospamfilius at lundhansen.dk Wed Jul 13 18:31:40 2005 From: nospamfilius at lundhansen.dk (Bertel Lund Hansen) Date: Wed Jul 13 18:32:40 2005 Subject: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? Message-ID: Rui Marques skrev: > I am starting to think more and more that the forum format is better. I don't like forums, and I am not going to join one. >Yes, we do keep the messages on the email if we want, with the current >format, but the forum also keeps them, the threading is much better The threading in a forum cannot compete with the threading in my mail program. The rest of the user interface in a forum is stone age compared to a standard mail program. >and in case your computer breaks down the forum "is there". There are several solutions to such a problem. Mine is backup. >And with registering, confirmation by email and mandatory >logging, the control over spam is better with the forum. It seems so now, but as far as I can see, my suggested method should make up for that. -- Bertel http://bertel.lundhansen.dk/ FIDUSO: http://fiduso.dk/ From mfrench1 at san.rr.com Wed Jul 13 18:42:29 2005 From: mfrench1 at san.rr.com (Marvin French) Date: Wed Jul 13 18:46:04 2005 Subject: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? References: <000101c584b6$93b95c40$6400a8c0@WINXP> <95i9d158lu0eumpg6rf54mc2b7ucb7tdrl@mail.stofanet.dk> <001d01c587c4$b51bb980$6501a8c0@irv> Message-ID: <002f01c587c9$dcd12f00$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> From: "Irv Kostal" > Yes, I think the spam is getting to be an odious burden and wish it could be > stopped. Please find a way to eliminate it. It can't be that they're > smarter than us - we play Bridge, don't we? > My experience is rather strange. I use Mail Frontier for spam filtering, which is highly-rated and does a fairly good job. Almost all the [BLML] spam ends up in Mail Frontier's Junk folder. Unfortunately a few legit BLML messages go there too, not many, plus an occasional other legit e-mail. These I either send to the Deleted folder or to the In-Box. However, the first thing I do after opening Outlook Express is to go to the Deleted folder, where additional spam and some legit e-mail (both BLML and other) get put by I don't know whom. I send the spam to the Junk folder, easily done with one click for each, while reading the legit mail, moving a few to my In-Box to be handled later. Then to the In-Box, where there may be a spam missed by Mail Frontier, and it goes to the Junk folder with one click. Toward the end of the session I go back to the Deleted folder to tend to any new stuff that has arrived there. At the end of the session I go to the Junk folder and do a ctrl-A to highlight everything, then delete all permanently with a shift-del. Getting tired of this rigamarole. Marv Marvin L. 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Message-ID: <20050714010342.27531.qmail@mail.tori-dong.net> $B!ZK\Ev$NNx?M5$J,$r$44.G=$7$F$M!"=w@-;o!&=54);o$J$I$G8=:_$b@kEACf![(B $B!yB?$/$N=w@-2q0w$K4n$P$l$F$^$9!#%(%C%A$bL^O@#O#K!*!*(B $B=50l$NNx?M7@Ls(B $B!ZJs=7(B1$B2s(B2$BK|1_0J>e2DG=![(B $B$3$A$i$X"-(B http://awg.webchu.com/?trip1 $B=5;0$NNx?M7@Ls(B $B!ZJs=7(B1$B2s(B5$BK|1_0J>e2DG=![(B $B$3$A$i$X"-(B http://awg.webchu.com/?trip2 $BH>G/$NNx?M7@Ls(B $B!ZJs=7!&7n(B25$BK|1_0J>e2DG=![(B $B$3$A$i$X"-(B http://awg.webchu.com/?trip3 $B"(=w@-2q0w$O;YJ'$$G=NO$"$kJ}$N$_:_@R$7$F$^$9!#(B $B"(L^O@!"Js=7$O@hJ'$$8}:BHV9f$r=w@-$K$*CN$i$;$7$F2<$5$$!#(B $B"(=w@-$N?H853N References: Message-ID: <42D5E880.9030507@att.net> richard.hills@immi.gov.au wrote: > In minor events, such as those with a playing TD, the penalty trick > option is necessary to save time in determining a ruling. In major > events the more equitable (but slower) option of an adjusted score > is now practical, as several non-playing TDs would be available to > consult with each other on an appropriate adjusted score. What if those TDs disagree? This seems to be applying a principle in the wrong direction, though I probably have the history wrong. I thought that the equity approach was added to soften the blow on lesser players who presumably revoke more frequently and feel greater frustration about the penalty. I can hear the gripe now, "If I had been playing in a *real* event it would only have been a one-trick penalty." 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From richard.hills at IMMI.GOV.AU Thu Jul 14 08:47:21 2005 From: richard.hills at IMMI.GOV.AU (richard.hills@IMMI.GOV.AU) Date: Thu Jul 14 08:54:11 2005 Subject: [blml] The Best we can do In-Reply-To: <007b01c58395$2986e800$21a087d9@yourtkrv58tbs0> Message-ID: Grattan Endicott (personal opinion): [snip] >>However, a majority of the committee are now involved in >>reinstating language from the 1997 laws in the text - I >>do not know how much - and I have stepped back whilst >>they do it because I am in disagreement with their wish >>to do so. I believe the language of 1997 is too often >>set in flawed, inferential and frequently ambiguous >>terms, that call for too much 'interpretation', and is >>thus corrupt. [snip] The Palmer Report, page 169: [very big snip] >There is a management attitude that does not question the >instructions and processes and seems to attach little >value to explaining to staff the operating context and >the purpose of the instructions and processes. The >attitude emphasises process and is silent on outcomes. >This is dangerous in a volatile portfolio. > >Rigorous rules and processes often create a false sense >of security. In the case of Cornelia Rau's incarceration >in prison for six months, it would be hard to fault the >relevant Migration Series Instruction and the guidance it >provides. The failure occurred because the requirements >of MSI 244 were not adhered to and because there was no >effective management oversight and no clear triggers for >executive intervention. > >It is essential that processes and instructions be >accurate and provide guidance to operational staff trying >to do their job. Some of the MSIs seem to be >unnecessarily complex, or written by lawyers for lawyers, >and are difficult to understand. Some have not been >updated for several years. [very big snip] Richard Hills (personal opinion): The quoted third paragraph of the Palmer Report should perhaps be read by the majority of the WBF Laws Committee. Try replacing the word "MSIs" with the word "Laws". :-) Best wishes Richard Hills Movie grognard and paronomasiac From blml at blakjak.com Thu Jul 14 14:17:33 2005 From: blml at blakjak.com (David Stevenson) Date: Thu Jul 14 14:20:17 2005 Subject: [blml] Is **** on blml getting out of control? In-Reply-To: <200507131436.HAA20576@mailhub.irvine.com> References: <001801c587b3$d34c35d0$b4300952@AnnesComputer> <200507131436.HAA20576@mailhub.irvine.com> Message-ID: <1JfSweAdfl1CFwsl@blakjak.demon.co.uk> Adam Beneschan wrote >Anne wrote: > >> Any e-mail with the S word gets deleted by my e-mail programme. I have to be >> extra vigilant to rescue these pearls of wisdom. > >Now this, I don't understand. Why would an e-mail program delete mail >with the word "maps"? (Spell this backward or turn your monitor >upside down to figure out what I'm talking about.) E-mail that >actually *is* Maps usually doesn't say it's Maps. Like so many things it is very difficult to get what you want, whether it is writing anti-spam software or bridge law books. There was a young lady at a university in North America who finally went to her IT department because she was unable to access anything on the internet she wanted to see. They explained that all university computers were blocked from getting sexual stuff from the internet, whether by email or website. Since the young lady was trying to find a cure for breast cancer she was horrified to discover that *anything* containing 'breast' was automatically deleted [email] or blocked [website]. -- David Stevenson Bridge RTFLB Cats Railways /\ /\ Liverpool, England, UK Fax: +44 870 055 7697 @ @ ICQ 20039682 bluejak on OKB =( + )= Lawspage: http://blakjak.com/lws_menu.htm ~ From blml at blakjak.com Thu Jul 14 14:25:54 2005 From: blml at blakjak.com (David Stevenson) Date: Thu Jul 14 14:28:58 2005 Subject: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? In-Reply-To: <002f01c587c9$dcd12f00$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> References: <000101c584b6$93b95c40$6400a8c0@WINXP> <95i9d158lu0eumpg6rf54mc2b7ucb7tdrl@mail.stofanet.dk> <001d01c587c4$b51bb980$6501a8c0@irv> <002f01c587c9$dcd12f00$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> Message-ID: Marvin French wrote > >From: "Irv Kostal" > >> Yes, I think the spam is getting to be an odious burden and wish it >could be >> stopped. Please find a way to eliminate it. It can't be that >they're >> smarter than us - we play Bridge, don't we? >> >My experience is rather strange. I use Mail Frontier for spam >filtering, which is highly-rated and does a fairly good job. Almost >all the [BLML] spam ends up in Mail Frontier's Junk folder. >Unfortunately a few legit BLML messages go there too, not many, plus >an occasional other legit e-mail. These I either send to the Deleted >folder or to the In-Box. > >However, the first thing I do after opening Outlook Express is to go >to the Deleted folder, where additional spam and some legit e-mail >(both BLML and other) get put by I don't know whom. I send the spam to >the Junk folder, easily done with one click for each, while reading >the legit mail, moving a few to my In-Box to be handled later. > >Then to the In-Box, where there may be a spam missed by Mail Frontier, >and it goes to the Junk folder with one click. > >Toward the end of the session I go back to the Deleted folder to tend >to any new stuff that has arrived there. > >At the end of the session I go to the Junk folder and do a ctrl-A to >highlight everything, then delete all permanently with a shift-del. > >Getting tired of this rigamarole. I would not just be tired of it: it is impractical for me. I receive 4000 emails a day, about 1000 of which my anti-spam confidently deletes. It offers me about 400, marked at various levels, and hides 2600 which it believes to be spam. I trust it for the deletion of 1000: furthermore I delete the 2600 without looking. Anything else would be intolerable. I am quite sure that some of my friends have made it to the blacklist owing to some misunderstanding in the checking procedure because I have the anti-spam control set to such a high level. Incidentally, if anyone [apart from one lovely person here who is automatically deleted since he cannot write an email without slagging someone off] thinks that they may be blacklisted since emails to me fail, please send me an email at . b l u e j a k 6 6 6 . {at} . h o t m a i l . {dot} . c o m -- David Stevenson Bridge RTFLB Cats Railways /\ /\ Liverpool, England, UK Fax: +44 870 055 7697 @ @ ICQ 20039682 bluejak on OKB =( + )= Lawspage: http://blakjak.com/lws_menu.htm ~ From blml at blakjak.com Thu Jul 14 14:27:32 2005 From: blml at blakjak.com (David Stevenson) Date: Thu Jul 14 14:30:18 2005 Subject: [blml] Director's error In-Reply-To: References: <90TA$pit6Q1CFweK@blakjak.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: Tim West-Meads wrote >One would expect L82c to give a greater percentage of split score rulings >than other adjustments. Yes, certainly, but I think it is too easy to automatically give a split out of embarrassment. -- David Stevenson Bridge RTFLB Cats Railways /\ /\ Liverpool, England, UK Fax: +44 870 055 7697 @ @ ICQ 20039682 bluejak on OKB =( + )= Lawspage: http://blakjak.com/lws_menu.htm ~ From blml at blakjak.com Thu Jul 14 14:38:39 2005 From: blml at blakjak.com (David Stevenson) Date: Thu Jul 14 14:41:41 2005 Subject: [blml] Istanbul 2004 WBF Laws Committee minutes In-Reply-To: <42D5E880.9030507@att.net> References: <42D5E880.9030507@att.net> Message-ID: Todd M. Zimnoch wrote >richard.hills@immi.gov.au wrote: >> In minor events, such as those with a playing TD, the penalty trick >> option is necessary to save time in determining a ruling. In major >> events the more equitable (but slower) option of an adjusted score >> is now practical, as several non-playing TDs would be available to >> consult with each other on an appropriate adjusted score. > > What if those TDs disagree? > > This seems to be applying a principle in the wrong direction, >though I probably have the history wrong. I thought that the equity >approach was added to soften the blow on lesser players who presumably >revoke more frequently and feel greater frustration about the penalty. >I can hear the gripe now, "If I had been playing in a *real* event it >would only have been a one-trick penalty." Bridge players understand automatic penalties. I am sure that the way to keep the majority happy is to give two tricks for a revoke. Won't the minority gripe? Of course, but they will *whatever* you do. What is important is that there are penalties for revokes. If there is equity only then the number of revokes will increase dramatically. The moment it becomes in the players' interests to revoke, they will. Does that mean that I am calling people cheats [I have to say this before someone says that my last paragraph is "tantamount to calling people cheats"]? No. People will just not take the same care, and because of psychological pressures it will happen. In theory it would work to give equity and an *automatic* standard penalty. In fact, this is probably theoretically fairer. But it is highly impractical. It is more important to run this game for the sake of the majority than to go for unhelpful theoretical approaches. Club TDs, even if non-playing, only have a small number of things to deal with on a frequent basis: mis-scorings, LOOTs, COOTs, insufficient bids and revokes. What the game does not need is for them to have to treat any of these as judgement rulings. -- David Stevenson Bridge RTFLB Cats Railways /\ /\ Liverpool, England, UK Fax: +44 870 055 7697 @ @ ICQ 20039682 bluejak on OKB =( + )= Lawspage: http://blakjak.com/lws_menu.htm ~ From blml at blakjak.com Thu Jul 14 14:42:15 2005 From: blml at blakjak.com (David Stevenson) Date: Thu Jul 14 14:45:00 2005 Subject: [blml] The Best we can do In-Reply-To: <533D273D4014D411AB1D00062938C4D90849C72A@hotel.npl.co.uk> References: <533D273D4014D411AB1D00062938C4D90849C72A@hotel.npl.co.uk> Message-ID: Robin Barker wrote >David > >1) ECATS has 2004 minutes > >http://www.ecatsbridge.com/documents/files/WBF%20Information%5CWBF%20Rep >orts%20and%20Minutes%5CLaws%20Committee%20Minutes/2004%20LC%20Minutes%20 >Istanbul.pdf Thanks. I felt sure they were there somewhere, but the ECats search machine could not find them, and there never seems ot be a contents. I find it a very difficult site to navigate. > from the WBF Information / WBF Reports and Minutes / Laws Committee page > >http://www.ecatsbridge.com/documents/docdefault.asp?page=Laws+Committee+ >Minutes&start=c%3A%5Cinetpub%5Cwwwroot%5Cecatsbridge%5Cdocuments%5Cfiles >%5CWBF+Information%5CWBF+Reports+and+Minutes > >2) PDF (Adobe Acrobat) into text/word > > a) open in acrobat reader > b) File -> Save as Text... > or select text and copy to clipboard > c) Open text file in word, or paste clipboard > >3) Why do you want to turn PDF into text/word ? Because on my site you get all the WBFLC minutes in text or word - at least you did while I could get hold of them. From 2002 onwards they are in text, word or PDF - at least they will be now. -- David Stevenson Bridge RTFLB Cats Railways /\ /\ Liverpool, England, UK Fax: +44 870 055 7697 @ @ ICQ 20039682 bluejak on OKB =( + )= Lawspage: http://blakjak.com/lws_menu.htm ~ From grandeval at vejez.fsnet.co.uk Thu Jul 14 17:21:42 2005 From: grandeval at vejez.fsnet.co.uk (Grattan Endicott) Date: Thu Jul 14 17:30:59 2005 Subject: [blml] The Best we can do References: Message-ID: <003a01c58888$08883080$fa8b87d9@yourtkrv58tbs0> from Grattan Endicott grandeval@vejez.fsnet.co.uk [also gesta@tiscali.co.uk] ************************************** 'that unhoped serene that men call age' ~ Rupert Brooke --------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [blml] The Best we can do > > The Palmer Report, page 169: > > [very big snip] > > >There is a management attitude that does not question the > >instructions and processes and seems to attach little > >value to explaining to staff the operating context and > >the purpose of the instructions and processes. The > >attitude emphasises process and is silent on outcomes. > >This is dangerous in a volatile portfolio. > > > >Rigorous rules and processes often create a false sense > >of security. In the case of Cornelia Rau's incarceration > >in prison for six months, it would be hard to fault the > >relevant Migration Series Instruction and the guidance it > >provides. The failure occurred because the requirements > >of MSI 244 were not adhered to and because there was no > >effective management oversight and no clear triggers for > >executive intervention. > > > >It is essential that processes and instructions be > >accurate and provide guidance to operational staff trying > >to do their job. Some of the MSIs seem to be > >unnecessarily complex, or written by lawyers for lawyers, > >and are difficult to understand. Some have not been > >updated for several years. > > [very big snip] > > Richard Hills (personal opinion): > > The quoted third paragraph of the Palmer Report should > perhaps be read by the majority of the WBF Laws Committee. > > Try replacing the word "MSIs" with the word "Laws". > +=+ I should pass no direct comment upon this. My personal bottom line is that the laws should not brook of alternative interpretations, as for example has happened with the 1997 Laws in some areas, between the interpretation in the ACBL and that in the EBL for example. If practices are to differ it should be authorized by options in the Laws. Nor should it be possible for informed persons to argue the meaning of a law, as has happened here on blml from time to time. The wording should be unarguable and not call for interpretations by the WBFLC or anyone. It is this characteristic of the 1997 Laws that has caused me to become more and more disenchanted with them. 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Message-ID: <20050715105548.F0372173E87@poczta.interia.pl> I am sending this one to the list on behalf of Henri DEFRANCHI: AJ75 A9743 Q 1052 K6 109832 QJ108 5 KJ72 109653 J96 Q4 Q4 K62 A84 AK873 S/Both S W N E 1NT 2C 2D 3H(1) 3NT (1) (Alerted 4H+5S) W lead HQ and,before showing his cards,N point out South's mistake. Allowed by the TD to change his lead,W now choose the DK ! No comment about result... In spite of NS'protest,I see no reason to correct the score. - Dummy has not showed any card - No information from East Even so many colleagues disagree with me So...Am I right or wrong ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cos sie dzieje??? >>> http://link.interia.pl/f189f From Martin.Sinot at Micronas.com Fri Jul 15 13:29:08 2005 From: Martin.Sinot at Micronas.com (Sinot Martin) Date: Fri Jul 15 13:31:04 2005 Subject: [blml] That makes a big difference... Message-ID: <94504F49BF58B0499D108530E98A52050E64F9@rama.micronas.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: blml-bounces@amsterdamned.org > [mailto:blml-bounces@amsterdamned.org] On Behalf Of Konrad Ciborowski > Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 12:56 > To: blml@rtflb.org > Subject: [blml] That makes a big difference... > > > I am sending this one to the list > on behalf of Henri DEFRANCHI: > > AJ75 > A9743 > Q > 1052 > > K6 109832 > QJ108 5 > KJ72 109653 > J96 Q4 > > Q4 > K62 > A84 > AK873 > > > S/Both S W N E > > 1NT 2C > 2D 3H(1) > 3NT > > (1) (Alerted 4H+5S) > > > > W lead HQ and,before showing his cards,N point out South's mistake. > Allowed by the TD to change his lead,W now choose the DK ! > No comment about result... > In spite of NS'protest,I see no reason to correct the score. > - Dummy has not showed any card > - No information from East > Even so many colleagues disagree with me > > So...Am I right or wrong ? That depends. Dummy did not show cards, and partner did not give information, so West did not lose his right to change the lead. But there is something else: the opening lead to be replaced must be caused by the misexplanation, and only then can West be allowed to choose a different lead. It boils therefore down to this question: how did the misexplanation Wests opening lead? -- Martin Sinot From hermy at hdw.be Fri Jul 15 13:41:02 2005 From: hermy at hdw.be (HermY De Wael) Date: Fri Jul 15 13:41:13 2005 Subject: [blml] That makes a big difference... In-Reply-To: <20050715105548.F0372173E87@poczta.interia.pl> References: <20050715105548.F0372173E87@poczta.interia.pl> Message-ID: <42D7A0CE.1090605@hdw.be> Konrad Ciborowski wrote: > I am sending this one to the list > on behalf of Henri DEFRANCHI: > > AJ75 > A9743 > Q > 1052 > > K6 109832 > QJ108 5 > KJ72 109653 > J96 Q4 > > Q4 > K62 > A84 > AK873 > > > S/Both S W N E > 1NT 2C > 2D 3H(1) > 3NT > > (1) (Alerted 4H+5S) > > > > W lead HQ and,before showing his cards,N point out South's mistake. > Allowed by the TD to change his lead,W now choose the DK ! > No comment about result... > In spite of NS'protest,I see no reason to correct the score. > - Dummy has not showed any card > - No information from East > Even so many colleagues disagree with me > > So...Am I right or wrong ? > L47E2: A player may retract the card he has played (the HQ) because of (see below) a mistaken explanation of an opponent's call (..) 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Yet to rule on this basis is wrong - both according to the laws and in a larger sense. Unless, of course, you have evidence that this particular pair fits the profile. I hear an awful lot here about fear of lawsuits in cases where a ruling might be considered an allegation of cheating. Never having been subject to such - or seen it happen - I suppose perhaps I'm overly optimistic, but it seems to me that if you have a preponderance of evidence indicating cheating, you should refer the matter to a disciplinary or ethics committee, and let them worry about the legal ramifications. And if you don't, you should shut up about it and just rule according to the laws of bridge. *not* assuming cheating took place. From ereppert at rochester.rr.com Fri Jul 15 20:30:50 2005 From: ereppert at rochester.rr.com (Ed Reppert) Date: Fri Jul 15 20:32:47 2005 Subject: [blml] Suggested by UI or not? - was "What do you bid?" In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.0.20050705124941.0325beb0@pop.starpower.net> References: <6.1.1.1.0.20050705092243.02bddb70@pop.starpower.net> <005401c58175$f56c2830$579868d5@James> <6.1.1.1.0.20050705124941.0325beb0@pop.starpower.net> Message-ID: On Jul 5, 2005, at 12:58 PM, Eric Landau wrote: > Naturally, when all we know is that some pair has been up four > times in the last six months after taking weird actions in the > presence of possible UI that somehow worked out well, we become > very suspicious. But we do not know how many times they took weird > actions in the presence of possible UI that worked out poorly; it > might be zero, it might be four, it might be twenty. Recorders > don't help; they too see only the ones that worked. Good point. Two questions: is it broken? If so, how do we fix it? From ereppert at rochester.rr.com Fri Jul 15 20:33:35 2005 From: ereppert at rochester.rr.com (Ed Reppert) Date: Fri Jul 15 20:35:31 2005 Subject: [blml] Suggested by UI or not? - was "What do you bid?" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <66314A1F-DD63-478B-99BC-46B3B692696C@rochester.rr.com> On Jul 5, 2005, at 2:52 PM, Wayne Burrows wrote: > The use of "may" here allows for the possibility that for one player > or partnership UI in a particular situation "may" suggest bidding > while > for another it "may" suggest some other action. "May" is pretty nebulous. It would seem, based on the above, that a TD could *always* rule that UI "may have suggested" whatever (successful, presumably, since otherwise opponents were probably not damaged) action its receiver took. Yet it seems to me that if the lawgivers had intended that, it would have been much easier to simply say so. But they didn't. From ereppert at rochester.rr.com Fri Jul 15 20:42:34 2005 From: ereppert at rochester.rr.com (Ed Reppert) Date: Fri Jul 15 20:44:32 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Correected In-Reply-To: <000601c58334$058a1280$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> References: <003201c56f6f$f22fd080$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> <007b01c582dd$3923d4c0$069868d5@James> <000601c58334$058a1280$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> Message-ID: On Jul 7, 2005, at 4:39 PM, Marvin French wrote: > It reminds me of a case when a responder to Roman 1430 gave a 3014 5C > response and with "extra values" went on to six after a signoff, > having heard the 1430 explanation (which was indeed on the CC). Can't > have that. If the "extra values" were 3 key cards instead of none, you surely *can* have that. In that case, bidding on is not demonstrably suggested by the explanation, but rather by the cards. From ereppert at rochester.rr.com Fri Jul 15 20:46:51 2005 From: ereppert at rochester.rr.com (Ed Reppert) Date: Fri Jul 15 20:48:52 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Write-up Change? In-Reply-To: <003f01c584b8$8e9c8b40$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> References: <003f01c584b8$8e9c8b40$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> Message-ID: On Jul 9, 2005, at 3:01 PM, Marvin French wrote: > 3. West told the AC that he intended to bid 4H over a signoff all > along, wanting first to make a bid that would discourage slam. > > Should statements of this nature be included in the writeup? No, they > are rightly treated as irrelevant. By "statements of this nature", I presume you mean self-serving ones, which the above certainly is. However, I'm not sure I'd call it "irrelevant". I might well discount it, but that's not the same thing. From ereppert at rochester.rr.com Fri Jul 15 20:48:52 2005 From: ereppert at rochester.rr.com (Ed Reppert) Date: Fri Jul 15 20:50:49 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Correected In-Reply-To: <005101c584c1$84dda540$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> References: <005101c584c1$84dda540$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> Message-ID: <3D097C91-2DFE-485B-B4EA-B4BA236C939E@rochester.rr.com> On Jul 9, 2005, at 4:05 PM, Marvin French wrote: > Moreover, the right request (L20F1) is "Please explain your auction," > not "What does that mean?" The latter is too much UI focussed on a > particular bid. In my experience, the proper question almost invariably draws a blank look from the opponent asked. Once, it drew a TD call. From info at verybest-onthenet.info Fri Jul 15 20:56:21 2005 From: info at verybest-onthenet.info (Wendy) Date: Fri Jul 15 20:58:15 2005 Subject: [blml] UK Smokes Price Crash Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050715/6e8ad090/attachment.html From ehaa at starpower.net Fri Jul 15 22:02:16 2005 From: ehaa at starpower.net (Eric Landau) Date: Fri Jul 15 21:59:43 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Correected In-Reply-To: References: <003201c56f6f$f22fd080$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> <007b01c582dd$3923d4c0$069868d5@James> <000601c58334$058a1280$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.0.20050715154029.02c0e420@pop.starpower.net> At 02:42 PM 7/15/05, Ed wrote: >On Jul 7, 2005, at 4:39 PM, Marvin French wrote: > >>It reminds me of a case when a responder to Roman 1430 gave a 3014 5C >>response and with "extra values" went on to six after a signoff, >>having heard the 1430 explanation (which was indeed on the CC). Can't >>have that. > >If the "extra values" were 3 key cards instead of none, you surely >*can* have that. In that case, bidding on is not demonstrably >suggested by the explanation, but rather by the cards. I'm not so sure I could "have that". I've seen too many problematic RKCB cases along similar lines. E bids RKCB, W shows zero or three KCs (or one or four), E huddles, then signs off, and W proceeds to the six-level with a bit more than three bare KCs. When challenged, W asserts that bidding slam was "automatic" because he had three KCs when he could have had none. IMO far too many TDs/ACs are willing to go along with such illogic. Did E bid RKCB knowing he might have to play at the five-level off three KCs? Even if so, then E must have wanted to play at the six level opposite two, so why didn't W bid seven with three? Even the beginners' tracts on RKCB emphasize the rule that you should never bid RKCB unless you are quite certain from the previous auction that you will know whether partner's 5C/5D responses mean he has zero/one or three/four KCs. The "automatic raise with three KCs more than you might have" is not, and never has been, a feature of RKCB except in the confused minds of rank beginners who don't think they're allowed to bid past game without using Blackwood. It is a ridiculous agreement, both in theory and in practice. As a TD, I will accept it as a bona fide partnership agreement only in the novice room. 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If your space has been compressed due to opposing preemption (or perhaps your side's misuse of things like "fast arrival"!), sometimes the best plan is to use RKCB even if it might put you at the five level off three cards, and pray that that doesn't happen. -- Adam From mfrench1 at san.rr.com Fri Jul 15 22:11:00 2005 From: mfrench1 at san.rr.com (Marvin French) Date: Fri Jul 15 22:14:39 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Write-up Change? References: <003f01c584b8$8e9c8b40$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> Message-ID: <005301c58979$52d70ac0$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> From: "Ed Reppert" > > Marvin French wrote: > > > 3. West told the AC that he intended to bid 4H over a signoff all > > along, wanting first to make a bid that would discourage slam. > > > > Should statements of this nature be included in the writeup? No, they > > are rightly treated as irrelevant. > > By "statements of this nature", I presume you mean self-serving ones, > which the above certainly is. However, I'm not sure I'd call it > "irrelevant". I might well discount it, but that's not the same thing. No, you must believe them entirely. Never doubt a player's stated intentions, it's not polite. A player will sometimes say, "I was always going to double," or "I always intended to pull a double." Such statements are probably non-responsive if the AC's question was posed correctly. After following the protocol of first establishing the UI and then establishing that the UI demonstrably suggested an action that was taken, the AC asks: "Can you tell us why you think there was no logical alternative to your call?" "I always intended....." "No, no, that doesn't answer the question. What you say is interesting but completely irrelevant to the case. We're not doubting your intentions, we're just not looking for them. Please give us what you believe are bridge reasons that compelled you to make that call, and why there was no logical alternative to it." Marv Marvin L. 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I believe I read it in Kantar's book, though I might be mistaken about that. It may be illogical; it may be stupid, but if a pair have this explicit agreement, and you disallow a 6 bid, what you're saying, it seems to me is "I disallow your stupid agreement". That's not a function of the TD. From ereppert at rochester.rr.com Sat Jul 16 22:07:30 2005 From: ereppert at rochester.rr.com (Ed Reppert) Date: Sat Jul 16 22:09:30 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Write-up Change? In-Reply-To: <005301c58979$52d70ac0$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> References: <003f01c584b8$8e9c8b40$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> <005301c58979$52d70ac0$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> Message-ID: <8F73A128-DF0A-4CCA-AC3E-8DC706261480@rochester.rr.com> On Jul 15, 2005, at 4:11 PM, Marvin French wrote: > "I always intended....." > > "No, no, that doesn't answer the question. What you say is interesting > but completely irrelevant to the case. We're not doubting your > intentions, we're just not looking for them. Please give us what you > believe are bridge reasons that compelled you to make that call, and > why there was no logical alternative to it." Ah, I see. Okay, makes sense. From ereppert at rochester.rr.com Sat Jul 16 22:10:41 2005 From: ereppert at rochester.rr.com (Ed Reppert) Date: Sat Jul 16 22:12:42 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Write-up Change? In-Reply-To: References: <003f01c584b8$8e9c8b40$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> <005301c58979$52d70ac0$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> Message-ID: <591AE256-4D16-4FF7-944A-CA865CD7BFAD@rochester.rr.com> On Jul 15, 2005, at 7:30 PM, David Stevenson wrote: > That's both silly and rude. It is well-known that self-serving > statements carry less weight, and a minority of people realise this > applies to both sides. But to deny someone the right to tell his > story means that the AC has been rude to him for the purpose of not > getting all the evidence in - in other words they are not doing > their job. I don't agree - not entirely, anyway. 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In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.0.20050701155518.02aff590@pop.starpower.net> References: <6279264.1120147186855.JavaMail.www@wwinf3202> <6.1.1.1.0.20050630130402.02af6e00@pop.starpower.net> <6.1.1.1.0.20050701155518.02aff590@pop.starpower.net> Message-ID: <5700FC9E-7F7D-4C54-A2FE-FFFC4C48A6C1@rochester.rr.com> On Jul 1, 2005, at 4:18 PM, Eric Landau wrote: > Indeed, TFLB is not even a product of the U.S. (thus more > analogous to a treaty than to a law), whose NCBO does or doesn't > recognize the authority of the WBF to interpret it depending on the > context in which one asks. (Their official policy, when it's > convenient, is that only the ACBLLC has the authority to interpret > TFLB within ACBL jurisdiction.) I note in passing that the ACBL is *not* the NCBO for the United States, and that the stated official policy violates the WBF Constitution and/or Bylaws. From ehaa at starpower.net Sat Jul 16 22:44:25 2005 From: ehaa at starpower.net (Eric Landau) Date: Sat Jul 16 22:41:54 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Correected In-Reply-To: <200507152005.NAA06954@mailhub.irvine.com> References: <200507152005.NAA06954@mailhub.irvine.com> Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.0.20050716162048.02b84060@pop.starpower.net> At 04:05 PM 7/15/05, Adam wrote: >Eric wrote: > > > Even the beginners' tracts on RKCB emphasize the rule that you should > > never bid RKCB unless you are quite certain from the previous auction > > that you will know whether partner's 5C/5D responses mean he has > > zero/one or three/four KCs. > >Most of the intermediate tracts on bridge say that you should never >say "never". > >In general, I agree with you, but there are exceptions. If your space >has been compressed due to opposing preemption (or perhaps your side's >misuse of things like "fast arrival"!), sometimes the best plan is to >use RKCB even if it might put you at the five level off three cards, >and pray that that doesn't happen. Certainly; I don't disagree in the least, and I've been at the five-level after Blackwood off three aces myself more times than I'm willing to admit to. I've been in a lot of tough auctions where there's a possibility that partner could have two keys, and if there's a slam there I'd better bid it. So I bid Blackwood, hoping that if there's no slam, pard will at least have one key and I'll be cold at the five level. If not I'll take my lumps; sometimes if I'm lucky I can pick up the trump king for average. Sometimes it's not to be, and I've gotten awful scores, as I said, more times than I'm willing to admit to. But not once, on all those many occasions, did I ever catch partner with three key cards. I won't say never. But if it ever does happen, I expect that partner will not assume I've gone completely mad, will respect my five-level signoff, and we'll get another cold bottom. Eric Landau ehaa@starpower.net 1107 Dale Drive (301) 608-0347 Silver Spring MD 20910-1607 From svenpran at online.no Sat Jul 16 22:41:58 2005 From: svenpran at online.no (Sven Pran) Date: Sat Jul 16 22:43:57 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Correected In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c58a46$cff3eaa0$6400a8c0@WINXP> > On Behalf Of Ed Reppert > On Jul 15, 2005, at 4:02 PM, Eric Landau wrote: > > The "automatic raise with three KCs more than you might have" is > > not, and never has been, a feature of RKCB except in the confused > > minds of rank beginners who don't think they're allowed to bid past > > game without using Blackwood. It is a ridiculous agreement, both > > in theory and in practice. As a TD, I will accept it as a bona > > fide partnership agreement only in the novice room. > > I know that this agreement exists. I believe I read it in Kantar's > book, though I might be mistaken about that. It may be illogical; it > may be stupid, but if a pair have this explicit agreement, and you > disallow a 6 bid, what you're saying, it seems to me is "I disallow > your stupid agreement". That's not a function of the TD. I do indeed feel confused (but not a novice)!? The way I have learned RKCB is that if I have three rather than zero (or four rather than one) and partner just stops at the 5-level then it is compulsory for me to raise to 6. This seems very logical; if partner intended to stop in five even if I have three or four keycards he should never bid 4NT! Regards Sven From ehaa at starpower.net Sat Jul 16 22:50:01 2005 From: ehaa at starpower.net (Eric Landau) Date: Sat Jul 16 22:47:28 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Write-up Change? In-Reply-To: <005301c58979$52d70ac0$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> References: <003f01c584b8$8e9c8b40$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> <005301c58979$52d70ac0$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.0.20050716164744.02b6e2c0@pop.starpower.net> At 04:11 PM 7/15/05, Marvin wrote: >A player will sometimes say, "I was always going to double," or "I >always intended to pull a double." Such statements are probably >non-responsive if the AC's question was posed correctly. After >following the protocol of first establishing the UI and then >establishing that the UI demonstrably suggested an action that was >taken, the AC asks: > >"Can you tell us why you think there was no logical alternative to >your call?" > >"I always intended....." > >"No, no, that doesn't answer the question. What you say is interesting >but completely irrelevant to the case. We're not doubting your >intentions, we're just not looking for them. Please give us what you >believe are bridge reasons that compelled you to make that call, and >why there was no logical alternative to it." "Huh?" [Not my reply to Marv, but surely that of the player in the conversation.] Eric Landau ehaa@starpower.net 1107 Dale Drive (301) 608-0347 Silver Spring MD 20910-1607 From ehaa at starpower.net Sat Jul 16 23:54:28 2005 From: ehaa at starpower.net (Eric Landau) Date: Sat Jul 16 23:51:55 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Correected In-Reply-To: <001c01c5898b$eba7cf70$8e65d642@DFYXB361> References: <003201c56f6f$f22fd080$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> <007b01c582dd$3923d4c0$069868d5@James> <000601c58334$058a1280$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> <6.1.1.1.0.20050715154029.02c0e420@pop.starpower.net> <001c01c5898b$eba7cf70$8e65d642@DFYXB361> Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.0.20050716165421.02b7beb0@pop.starpower.net> At 06:24 PM 7/15/05, raija wrote: >I do not see that as illogic. My convention card now has a note, however: > Autoraise if holding 3 (vs 0) or 4(vs 1). >I added this statement after an incident where my partner huddled >(apparently trying to count if it was possible for me to hold zero >keycards). I raised to 6M as there was no hand consistent with >bidding so far that would not make six opposite three keys. Opponent >called TD who rolled the contract back to 5M. Seriously, I think it >would be folly not to raise to slam or bid a specific king on the way >if needed, when holding three keys. Who in their right mind would be >asking for keycards not holding any keys/aces himself? But I am not >arguing with the ruling, that was the TD's judgment. Still, it makes >no sense to pass a signoff when holding three cards vs zero. > >However, if there was a possibility of mixup 0314 vs 1430, or a >question by opponent and an answer given that might wake up sleepy >bidders, then the situation is different. In the case I was involved, >that did not happen. > >Also, I am not commenting on the case itself, just saying that what >Eric considers illogic, I do not. > >>Did E bid RKCB knowing he might have to play at the five-level off >>three KCs? Even if so, then E must have wanted to play at the six >>level opposite two, so why didn't W bid seven with three? >> >>Even the beginners' tracts on RKCB emphasize the rule that you should >>never bid RKCB unless you are quite certain from the previous auction >>that you will know whether partner's 5C/5D responses mean he has >>zero/one or three/four KCs. The "automatic raise with three KCs more >>than you might have" is not, and never has been, a feature of RKCB >>except in the confused minds of rank beginners who don't think >>they're allowed to bid past game without using Blackwood. It is a >>ridiculous agreement, both in theory and in practice. In Raija's hands, the "autoraise" becomes an artificial method, which does have sufficient internal logic to elude the term "illogic". But it's a rather unusual convention. Let's arbitrarily make spades the agreed suit, playing old-style, ...4NT-P-5C-P-? If asker wanted to be in slam opposite one KC, he bids 5S: (a) -P-P-P, or (b) -P-6S-P-7S. If he needed two, he bids 5S: (a) -P-P-P (perhaps he has some chance to make it, perhaps not), or (b) -P-6S-P-7S. If he needs three, he bids 5S: (a) -P-P-P (he has no chance to make it!), or (b) -P-6S-P-P. Asker bids 6S only if he wants to play there opposite no KCs, which, one supposes, must surely require responder to bid 7S with three. So it's not just an autoraise by responder at the five-level; it's an auto(re)raise by either partner at any level. I would also note that if you're willing to assume that asker will never risk playing at the five level off *four* key cards, you can simplify your agreement considerably by just playing automatic raises of five-level signoffs to the seven-level. Neither of those exactly an ordinary, run-of-the-mill agreement that I would expect partnerships to have to cover the once-in-a-lifetime possbility of getting a hand where it makes sense to bid Blackwood opposite a partner whose strength you don't know within two and half or three quick tricks. I can't see that a TD wouldn't be totally justified in refusing to accept that a partnership had such an agreement absent at least some mention on their CC. >> As a TD, I will accept it as a bona fide partnership agreement >> only in the novice room. I am starting to worry that this thread may force me to rethink that statement. Eric Landau ehaa@starpower.net 1107 Dale Drive (301) 608-0347 Silver Spring MD 20910-1607 From bruce at yahoo.com Sat Jul 16 20:04:27 2005 From: bruce at yahoo.com (Gelbman) Date: Sun Jul 17 02:06:26 2005 Subject: [blml] Primary source of OEM Symantec software Look no further ! Message-ID: <002b01c54b50$10e49590$de01a8c0@jdkwd7ssa> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050717/993f86db/attachment.html From blml at blakjak.com Sun Jul 17 02:23:35 2005 From: blml at blakjak.com (David Stevenson) Date: Sun Jul 17 02:26:24 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Write-up Change? In-Reply-To: <591AE256-4D16-4FF7-944A-CA865CD7BFAD@rochester.rr.com> References: <003f01c584b8$8e9c8b40$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> <005301c58979$52d70ac0$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> <591AE256-4D16-4FF7-944A-CA865CD7BFAD@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <2RqSm$cHUa2CFwkZ@blakjak.demon.co.uk> Ed Reppert wrote >On Jul 15, 2005, at 7:30 PM, David Stevenson wrote: > >> That's both silly and rude. It is well-known that self-serving >>statements carry less weight, and a minority of people realise this >>applies to both sides. But to deny someone the right to tell his >>story means that the AC has been rude to him for the purpose of not >>getting all the evidence in - in other words they are not doing their job. > >I don't agree - not entirely, anyway. It might be better to accept the >statement, *then* say it doesn't answer the question, giving Marvin's >clarification. But Marvin is right in that the question is whether the >player had a logical alternative to his call, not what he always >intended to bid. No, Ed, I rarely disagree with you so completely, but this time ... An AC must listen to all the evidence offered to it. There is *no* reason to discard evidence automatically. -- David Stevenson Bridge RTFLB Cats Railways /\ /\ Liverpool, England, UK Fax: +44 870 055 7697 @ @ ICQ 20039682 bluejak on OKB =( + )= Lawspage: http://blakjak.com/lws_menu.htm ~ From toddz at att.net Sun Jul 17 03:24:54 2005 From: toddz at att.net (Todd M. Zimnoch) Date: Sun Jul 17 03:26:54 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Correected In-Reply-To: <000001c58a46$cff3eaa0$6400a8c0@WINXP> References: <000001c58a46$cff3eaa0$6400a8c0@WINXP> Message-ID: <42D9B366.4030300@att.net> Sven Pran wrote: > I do indeed feel confused (but not a novice)!? > > The way I have learned RKCB is that if I have three rather than zero (or > four rather than one) and partner just stops at the 5-level then it is > compulsory for me to raise to 6. > > This seems very logical; if partner intended to stop in five even if I have > three or four keycards he should never bid 4NT! I've heard Steve Robinson say something to the effect of, "if you're unwilling to be in 6 off one keycard, you shouldn't be bidding blackwood." That this is a lesson needing to be taught implies there are people not following its wisdom. They should be allowed to abuse blackwood both at the table and in committee. -Todd, one of the guilty. 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I believe I read it in Kantar's >book, though I might be mistaken about that. It may be illogical; it >may be stupid, but if a pair have this explicit agreement, and you >disallow a 6 bid, what you're saying, it seems to me is "I disallow >your stupid agreement". That's not a function of the TD. As a TD, I am certainly prepared to allow any agreement, no matter how stupid. What I intended was something like, "That agreement is so stupid that I refuse to believe that you are playing it unless you can show me some mention of it on your CC or some other evidence." But I do confess -- to my dismay -- that this thread has convinced me that I should abandon that attitude. It would seem that in reality it is not an uncommon agreement even among partnerships whose bidding agreements otherwise make sense. I remain convinced, however, that it is a patently stupid agreement. Perhaps my opinion has something to do with EHAA. I open 2D holding Kx/QJxx/KJxxxx/x. 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But I'm not >saying (and I don't think Marvin is either) to discard such things >automatically - hear them, decide if they're relevant, and *then* >discard them if they're not. Self-serving statements of this sort are relevant up to a point. But whether they are or not, to tell the players you are going to ignore them is rude, unforgivably so in my view, and totally unnecessary. Furthermore, an AC is a *committee*. So why is anyone deciding before the AC discusses it that some evidence is to be discarded? Furthermore, some decisions are based on a player's peers. How are you to tell who a player's peers are if you discard self-serving statements? No, I stick by what I said: an AC should listen to *all* the evidence, consider it jointly, only discard things after consideration, and not tell the players they are discarding their evidence. Otherwise the AC is not doing its job. -- David Stevenson Bridge RTFLB Cats Railways /\ /\ Liverpool, England, UK Fax: +44 870 055 7697 @ @ ICQ 20039682 bluejak on OKB =( + )= Lawspage: http://blakjak.com/lws_menu.htm ~ From richard.hills at immi.gov.au Mon Jul 18 02:02:49 2005 From: richard.hills at immi.gov.au (richard.hills@immi.gov.au) Date: Mon Jul 18 02:05:00 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Correected In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.0.20050715154029.02c0e420@immi.gov.au> Message-ID: Eric Landau: [snip] >Even the beginners' tracts on RKCB emphasize the rule that you should >never bid RKCB unless you are quite certain from the previous auction >that you will know whether partner's 5C/5D responses mean he has >zero/one or three/four KCs. The "automatic raise with three KCs more >than you might have" is not, and never has been, a feature of RKCB >except in the confused minds of rank beginners who don't think they're >allowed to bid past game without using Blackwood. 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Many of these companies are on the verge of bankruptcy. You can lose all your money by investing in this stock. We urge you to read the company's SEC filings now, before you invest. The publisher of this newsletter is not a registered invstment advisor. Subscribers should not view information herein as legal, tax, accounting or investment advice. In compliance with the SecuritiesAct of 1933, Section 17(b), The publisher of this newsletter is contracted to receive six hundred thousand free trading shares from a third party, not an officer, director or affiliate shareholder for the circulation of this report. Be aware of an inherent conflict of interest resulting from such compensation due to the fact that this is a paid advertisement and is not without bias. The party that paid us has a position in the stock they will sell at anytime without notice. This could have a negative impact on the price of the stock, causing you to lose money. All factual information in this report was gathered from public sources, including but not limited to SEC filings, Company Websites and Company Press Releases. The publisher of this newsletter believes this information to be reliable but can make no guarantee as to its accuracy or completeness. Use of the material within this email constitutes your acceptance of these terms. From halts at megabytesinc.com Mon Jul 18 16:32:38 2005 From: halts at megabytesinc.com (Sara) Date: Mon Jul 18 16:35:24 2005 Subject: [blml] The Small Stox Journal Message-ID: <12036468055.745476208@80.97.246.38> MOMENTUM ALERT ISSUED FOR JULY 18, 2005 EXPLOSIVE PICK FOR OUR MEMBERS !!!RIDE THE STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN!!!! Good day to all broker's, Day Trader's and Investor's World stock report has become famous with some great stock picks in the otc , small cap market's!!! Here at World Stock Report we work on what we here from the street. Rumor's circulating and keeping the focus on the company's news. 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URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050718/425e646a/attachment.html From guthrie at ntlworld.com Mon Jul 18 21:01:27 2005 From: guthrie at ntlworld.com (Guthrie) Date: Mon Jul 18 21:10:06 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Write-up Change? References: <003f01c584b8$8e9c8b40$6701a8c0@san.rr.com><005301c58979$52d70ac0$6701a8c0@san.rr.com><591AE256-4D16-4FF7-944A-CA865CD7BFAD@rochester.rr.com><2RqSm$cHUa2CFwkZ@blakjak.demon.co.uk><7FD92316-6133-4147-AB44-C4C39DC5934E@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <007701c58bcb$1a518820$739868d5@jeushtlj> IMO, the AC should not exclude self-serving statements from consideration, although the write-up may omit those that the AC concludes are completely irrelevant. Nevertheless, the write-up should include a fairly complete report of the central facts on which the AC base their argument. For example .... In this case, we are told that the AC established that EW had Ogust on their convention cards. Although there is no mention in the report, Barry Rigal has subsequently assured us that Ogust was not added to their card after the director call. How did the AC establish this? Presumably by recalling the TD. Why then could the TD not determine whether EW were playing Ogust? His answers are important facts. Was any attempt made to confirm this peculiar TD oversight with NS or with EW's other opponents? IMO, all these facts are pivotal to the AC's argument so should have appeared in the write-up. Arguably, the AC have an obligation to be fair to the absent NS and to the TD as well as to EW. I agree, however, with David Burn, Marvin French (and maybe even David Stevenson), who seem to think that the AC probably made the wrong decision. And the decision was wrong, whether or not EW were playing Ogust. So for us, the Ogust argument may not be so important. This seems to be a basic "alleged use of unauthorised information" decision based on "balance of probability". I am intrigued as to how legal gurus like Konrad and Richard would rule, assuming that the original write-up includes available relevant facts. Suppose, for the sake of argument, that Richard finds the EW actions suspect, is this one case too small a sample size to protect their putative victims? From gesta at tiscali.co.uk Mon Jul 18 23:35:29 2005 From: gesta at tiscali.co.uk (Grattan) Date: Mon Jul 18 23:39:55 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Write-up Change? References: <003f01c584b8$8e9c8b40$6701a8c0@san.rr.com><005301c58979$52d70ac0$6701a8c0@san.rr.com><591AE256-4D16-4FF7-944A-CA865CD7BFAD@rochester.rr.com><2RqSm$cHUa2CFwkZ@blakjak.demon.co.uk><7FD92316-6133-4147-AB44-C4C39DC5934E@rochester.rr.com> <007701c58bcb$1a518820$739868d5@jeushtlj> Message-ID: <000001c58be0$f9a718e0$5f0be150@Mildred> Grattan Endicott To: "BLML" Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Write-up Change? > > I agree, however, with David Burn, Marvin French > (and maybe even David Stevenson), who seem to > think that the AC probably made the wrong > decision. And the decision was wrong, whether or > not EW were playing Ogust. So for us, the Ogust > argument may not be so important. > > This seems to be a basic "alleged use of > unauthorised information" decision based on > "balance of probability". > +=+ I do not know the subject matter of this. 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References: <003f01c584b8$8e9c8b40$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> <005301c58979$52d70ac0$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> <591AE256-4D16-4FF7-944A-CA865CD7BFAD@rochester.rr.com> <2RqSm$cHUa2CFwkZ@blakjak.demon.co.uk> <7FD92316-6133-4147-AB44-C4C39DC5934E@rochester.rr.com> <007701c58bcb$1a518820$739868d5@jeushtlj> Message-ID: <00b801c58c1c$dd0b37c0$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> From: "Guthrie" > > In this case, we are told that the AC established > that EW had Ogust on their convention cards. > Although there is no mention in the report, Barry > Rigal has subsequently assured us that Ogust was > not added to their card after the director call. > How did the AC establish this? Presumably by > recalling the TD. Why then could the TD not > determine whether EW were playing Ogust? His > answers are important facts. Was any attempt made > to confirm this peculiar TD oversight with NS or > with EW's other opponents? IMO, all these facts > are pivotal to the AC's argument so should have > appeared in the write-up. 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CASE N-15 Subject: Claim DIC: Johnston NA Swiss Teams, 1st Qual Brd: 15 Dlr: South Vul: NS S QJx H 9xxx D KQ8xx C x S K10xx S Ax H AQJ H K8xx D AJ10xx D 9 C K C AQJ9xx S 9xxx H 10x D xx C 108xxx West North East South Pass 1D Pass 2C Pass 2S(1) Pass 3H Pass 4NT(2) Pass 5S(3) Pass 6NT All Pass (1) Game Forcing (2) Quantitative (3) Two aces, Queen, explained later The Facts: The final contract was 6NT by West making six for a score of +990 for EW after a small heart was led. The director was called after the teams compared scores. West had claimed after a heart lead and unblocking the CK, saying that "If the ten of clubs drops, I make seven." After a pause from the opponents, she said "If not, I make six." NS accepted declarer's claim for 12 tricks and completed the match. During the comparison with their teammates, they found that declarer did not have 12 sure tricks and withdrew their acquiescence to the claim. The Ruling: The director ruled 6NT down one for a score of NS +50 citing Law 69.B. NS had acquiesced to a trick that cannot be lost by any normal play of the remaining cards. [mlf] Good score adjustment, perhaps accidentally. See below. Appeal: North thought that declarer said she could give up a club (to make six), and actually played a couple of additional tricks. South did not recall any further play following the claim. Statements Made by the Other Side: EW vigorously denied the statement by North. Additional Facts: The Laws do not require declarer to attempt to run the clubs when she was clearly aware that the C10 was an important card and would have noticed that it was still outstanding. The Decision: Law 68D states "If a claim or concession is acquiesced in, Law 69 applies." Law 69B states: "Within the correction period a contestant may withdraw acquiescence in an opponent's claim, but only if he has acquiesced in the loss of a trick that could not be lost by any normal play of the remaining cards." [mlf] The frequent ambiguity of the word "any" in print is removed by word emphasis in normal speech. In this case, stressing the word "any" gives one sense, stressing the word "normal" the other sense. With no direction from the WBFLC, I have chosen the latter. If there is any NORMAL play, not ANY normal play, by which the setting trick in this deal could not be lost, then the acquiescence is voided. Why they didn't specify "all normal plays" or "a normal play" to remove the ambiguity of the word "any" is a mystery. Why did I choose the reading "any NORMAL play" (one will do) over "ANY normal play" (all of them)? Because [ (1) ANY normal play would possibly include just one unique play that the claimer would be unlikely to find. Claimers should not get the benefit of any doubt. As an example, give North QJxx spades and only a strip and endplay (described below) would work. No one would choose that line, even though it is "normal." An unscrupulous player could claim on the basis of sufficient high-card tricks for the claim, not playing it out because he sees a potential blockage. The naive opponents don't see the blockage and acquiesce in the claim. By the time they discover their error the expert (or the Director!) has figured out (knowing all the hands) a squeeze or perhaps an inferior line of play that would work for the number of tricks claimed. That's unfair. Declarers could claim tricks that they know might not be taken if opposing play were to be good, with no risk. If the claim is contested later, not at the time, they will get the benefit of any doubt (see the footnote to L69B), which a claimer doesn't deserve. (2) Acquiescing in a claim or concession (L69) erroneously ought not to be treated the same as a mistaken concession (L71). If they are to be treated the same, why is there a different law for each? (3) The footnote to L69B still makes sense. If a play by the claiming side is merely careless or inferior, but not irrational, it is acceptable for invalidating the claim. So we have to find a normal play that would invalidate the claim, even if it is careless or inferior, but not irrational. [AC] Although declarer might not judge the hand accurately in actual play, there are two "normal" lines of play that would produce 12 tricks, after declarer discovers that the clubs are not breaking. [mlf] Yes, and there is one normal line of play that would produce 11 tricks. [AC] She could discard diamonds on dummy's winners and play a spade to the SK and another spade to establish her S10 as her twelfth trick. [mlf] ####### Yes, that would be a normal line of play. Let's look at it. S QJ (or QJx?) H D KQ (or K?) C S K10x S x H H D A D 9 C C 9x S 9x (or 9?) H D x (or Qx?) C 10 Declarer has played for North to have started with three spades to the QJ. There is no squeeze, North discarding after West, and North can freely discard a quack from four, so this line of play fails if North has four or more spades (twice as likely as three) with one or both quacks. Declarer might look for another line, as the AC now describes. ######## [AC] Alternatively, she could discard two spades and two diamonds on dummy's winners, catching North in a spade and diamond strip squeeze. [mlf]###### Coming down to the spade king and AJ10 of diamonds, then a spade to the ace and the jack of diamonds for an endplay. I don't think that qualifies as "normal." What is normal is to finesse at that point, playing South for a diamond honor doubleton (or the KQ). Let's look at the situation after nine tricks, with East to lead:: S Q H D KQ8 C S K S x H H D AJ10 D 9 C C 9x S 9x H D x C 10 Declarer must lead a spade to the king, then a diamond for the endpay. But the situation could more likely be like this:: S Q H D K8x (or xxx) C S K S x H H D AJ10 D 9 C C 9x S 9 H D Qx (or KQ) C 10 Now declarer must lead diamonds to take12 tricks. This may be the best line of play, somebody else please figure the percentages. It is certainly "normal." ########### [AC] Since declarer could have taken 12 tricks through normal play, as a matter of Law, the defenders' acquiescence is required to stand and the assigned result is reciprocal 990s. [mlf] Aha, that's not what L69B says, it's "any normal play," don't change the words when citing a law. [AC] The appeal was found to have merit. Committee: Doug Doub, Chair, Jeff Roman, Ed Lazarus, Howard Weinstein, Jay Apfelbaum Three common words that are ambiguous are "either," "or," and "any." Either: This can be mean "both," as in "there are lights on either side of the street," or it can mean just one of two choices. Or: This can be the inclusive "or," i.e., one, perhaps the other, perhaps both. Alternatively it can be the excusive "or," i.e., one, perhaps the other, but not both. Any: ambiguous example in L69B, explained above. When using such words the writer must be absolutely certain that the right sense is being conveyed. You can't always tell by the context. My personal scoring so far, scale of 0 to 1: TD AC N-01 0 0 N-02 1 0 (hotly disputed) N-03 0 1/2 (poor analysis) N-04 1 1 N-05 1 0 N-06 1/2 1/2 (insufficient redress) N-07 1 1 N-08 1 0 N--09 1 1 N-10 1 1/2 (insufficient redress) N-11 1 1 N-12 1 1 N-13 1/2 1/2 (insufficient redress) N-14 0 1 N-15 1 0 Total 11 8 out of 15 possible Marv Marvin L. French San Diego, California From ereppert at rochester.rr.com Tue Jul 19 07:44:33 2005 From: ereppert at rochester.rr.com (Ed Reppert) Date: Tue Jul 19 07:46:36 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Write-up Change? In-Reply-To: References: <003f01c584b8$8e9c8b40$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> <005301c58979$52d70ac0$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> <591AE256-4D16-4FF7-944A-CA865CD7BFAD@rochester.rr.com> <2RqSm$cHUa2CFwkZ@blakjak.demon.co.uk> <7FD92316-6133-4147-AB44-C4C39DC5934E@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <0EF5A153-ED0D-4E97-AA71-58EF500E8F9D@rochester.rr.com> On Jul 17, 2005, at 6:18 PM, David Stevenson wrote: > Self-serving statements of this sort are relevant up to a point. > But whether they are or not, to tell the players you are going to > ignore them is rude, unforgivably so in my view, and totally > unnecessary. > > Furthermore, an AC is a *committee*. So why is anyone deciding > before the AC discusses it that some evidence is to be discarded? What makes you think anyone is? > Furthermore, some decisions are based on a player's peers. How > are you to tell who a player's peers are if you discard self- > serving statements? I don't know. How do you tell if you don't discard them? :-) > No, I stick by what I said: an AC should listen to *all* the > evidence, consider it jointly, only discard things after > consideration, and not tell the players they are discarding their > evidence. Otherwise the AC is not doing its job. It is not necessary to tell players "we are discarding the evidence you presented" - besides, this in effect says "we don't believe you" and *that* is unnecessary (and yes, rude). But I never said anyone should do that. It seems we agree on the proper procedure - though I would think it helpful for an AC to clearly state the chain of logic leading to their decision. Something which IMO is rarely if ever done. From ereppert at rochester.rr.com Tue Jul 19 07:47:55 2005 From: ereppert at rochester.rr.com (Ed Reppert) Date: Tue Jul 19 07:49:55 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Correected In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <081F1648-D1E3-4446-B991-E97D964148E4@rochester.rr.com> On Jul 17, 2005, at 8:02 PM, richard.hills@immi.gov.au wrote: > Rather, Edgar Kaplan and I agree that it is the intrinsically > ambiguous > nature of the Keycard Blackwood convention itself which makes it a > ridiculous agreement, both in theory and in practice. Hm. The grammarian in me - admittedly not an expert - reads the referent of the last "it" in that sentence as "the Keycard Blackwood Convention". IOW, that it is that convention which is ridiculous - but I don't think you meant that, did you? From richard.hills at immi.gov.au Tue Jul 19 09:18:48 2005 From: richard.hills at immi.gov.au (richard.hills@immi.gov.au) Date: Tue Jul 19 09:20:53 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Correected In-Reply-To: <081F1648-D1E3-4446-B991-E97D964148E4@immi.gov.au> Message-ID: Ed Reppert: >Hm. The grammarian in me - admittedly not an expert - reads the >referent of the last "it" in that sentence as "the Keycard Blackwood >Convention". IOW, that it is that convention which is ridiculous - >but I don't think you meant that, did you? Richard Hills: Full marks for your grammar; like Edgar Kaplan I believe that the high level of ambiguity in the responses to Keycard Blackwood make it a ridiculous convention. B.J. Becker once prevailed upon Jeff Rubens to adopt an agreement in which doubles in certain situations were defined as two-way; either penalty or takeout. B.J. assured Jeff that he would always be able to determine the intended meaning of the double by looking at his length in the opponent's suit. But, on the three occasions that this convention came up, Jeff held a doubleton in the opponent's suit, so was faced with a complete guess. On one occasion Jeff guessed right to pass, collecting +1100. On another occasion Jeff guessed wrong to pass, paying out -1070. The "merit" of the convention was demonstrated on the third occasion, when Jeff guessed right to bid, and the opponents were way too intimidated by B.J.'s double, so failed to continue to their cold game. (Of course, a two-way double convention would be much more successful for a player who lacked B.J. Becker's imperturbable tempo and manner.) 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READ THE NEWS ***NEWS******NEWS******NEWS******NEWS******NEWS******NEWS******NEWS******NEWS*** China World Trade Corporation Establishes International Business Center To Further Enhance Business Services Division Monday GUANGZHOU, China, July /Xinhua-PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- China World Trade Corporation (OTC Bulletin Board: CWTD - News) announced today that the International Business Center (IBC) has commenced operations on July 1 which will support the international communication needed between the company's corporate clients and members. Additionally, IBC will assist in serving China World Trade Corporation's premier club members with business travel and other various corporate services. IBC aims to build up a strong platform and play an important role in integrating the business resources of the company's CEO Clubs and World Trade Center Clubs and to utilize New Generation's extensive travel network and operating system. IBC will also help China World Trade Corporation enhance services available to the company's clients with more comprehensive products such as the arrangement of international business tours, destination intelligence, immigration, and overseas investment consulting services. "IBC is a bridge linking China World Trade and CEO Clubs to penetrate the business services market in China," said Mr. William Tsang, President and Chairman of China World Trade Corporation. "We are confident that we will become one of the pioneers in the business services industry in China. We expect IBC to generate a new stream of revenue, from the amalgamation of our tailor-made services in areas such as business consulting, immigration and investments for our premium clients." Stoc:k is ready to ROCK !!!! Company has already facilitated the money it need's TO CONTINUE IT's RAPID GROW!!!! 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Risk factors include general economic and business conditions, the ability to acquire and develop specific projects, the ability to fund operations and changes in consumer and business consumption habits and other factors overwhich the company has little or no control. The publisher of this newsletter does not represent that the information contained in this message states all material facts or does not omit a material fact necessary to make the statements therein not misleading. All information provided within this email pertaining to investing, Stoc:ks, securities must be understood as information provided and not investment advice. The publisher of this newsletter advises all readers and subscribers to seek advice from a registered professional securities representative before deciding to trade in Stoc:ks featured within this email. None of the material within this report shall be construed as any kind of investment advice or solicitation. 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All factual information in this report was gathered from public sources, including but not limited to SEC filings, Company Websites and Company Press Releases. The publisher of this newsletter believes this information to be reliable but can make no guarantee as to its accuracy or completeness. Use of the material within this email constitutes your acceptance of these terms. From blml at blakjak.com Tue Jul 19 14:55:27 2005 From: blml at blakjak.com (David Stevenson) Date: Tue Jul 19 14:58:15 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Write-up Change? In-Reply-To: <0EF5A153-ED0D-4E97-AA71-58EF500E8F9D@rochester.rr.com> References: <003f01c584b8$8e9c8b40$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> <005301c58979$52d70ac0$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> <591AE256-4D16-4FF7-944A-CA865CD7BFAD@rochester.rr.com> <2RqSm$cHUa2CFwkZ@blakjak.demon.co.uk> <7FD92316-6133-4147-AB44-C4C39DC5934E@rochester.rr.com> <0EF5A153-ED0D-4E97-AA71-58EF500E8F9D@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: Ed Reppert wrote > >On Jul 17, 2005, at 6:18 PM, David Stevenson wrote: > >> Self-serving statements of this sort are relevant up to a point. >>But whether they are or not, to tell the players you are going to >>ignore them is rude, unforgivably so in my view, and totally unnecessary. >> >> Furthermore, an AC is a *committee*. So why is anyone deciding >>before the AC discusses it that some evidence is to be discarded? > >What makes you think anyone is? > >> Furthermore, some decisions are based on a player's peers. How are >>you to tell who a player's peers are if you discard self- serving >>statements? > >I don't know. How do you tell if you don't discard them? :-) Self-serving statements go a long way to giving the impression of a player's attitude and ability. >> No, I stick by what I said: an AC should listen to *all* the >>evidence, consider it jointly, only discard things after >>consideration, and not tell the players they are discarding their >>evidence. Otherwise the AC is not doing its job. > >It is not necessary to tell players "we are discarding the evidence you >presented" - besides, this in effect says "we don't believe you" and >*that* is unnecessary (and yes, rude). But I never said anyone should >do that. It seems we agree on the proper procedure - though I would >think it helpful for an AC to clearly state the chain of logic leading >to their decision. Something which IMO is rarely if ever done. Well, you did agree with Marv, and he said explicitly that you should tell the players that you are not going to listen to them. When you listen to evidence on an AC, about 90% of it is self-serving. There seems an idea that you should discard evidence that is [a] *blatantly* self-serving, and [b] form the offenders I think the whole thing just comes from people who do not see the problems and do not approach matters correctly. A good AC will listen to all the evidence, and then weigh it, making allowances for statements that are self-serving. -- David Stevenson Bridge RTFLB Cats Railways /\ /\ Liverpool, England, UK Fax: +44 870 055 7697 @ @ ICQ 20039682 bluejak on OKB =( + )= Lawspage: http://blakjak.com/lws_menu.htm ~ From info at verybestonthenet.info Tue Jul 19 16:09:20 2005 From: info at verybestonthenet.info (Phillip) Date: Tue Jul 19 16:11:15 2005 Subject: [blml] sales Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050719/a7a1e9bf/attachment.html From ereppert at rochester.rr.com Tue Jul 19 17:35:09 2005 From: ereppert at rochester.rr.com (Ed Reppert) Date: Tue Jul 19 17:37:14 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Write-up Change? In-Reply-To: References: <003f01c584b8$8e9c8b40$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> <005301c58979$52d70ac0$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> <591AE256-4D16-4FF7-944A-CA865CD7BFAD@rochester.rr.com> <2RqSm$cHUa2CFwkZ@blakjak.demon.co.uk> <7FD92316-6133-4147-AB44-C4C39DC5934E@rochester.rr.com> <0EF5A153-ED0D-4E97-AA71-58EF500E8F9D@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <435548B0-2F02-425E-B902-1D29AED9659B@rochester.rr.com> On Jul 19, 2005, at 8:55 AM, David Stevenson wrote: > Well, you did agree with Marv, and he said explicitly that you > should tell the players that you are not going to listen to them. 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From walt1 at verizon.net Tue Jul 19 19:50:10 2005 From: walt1 at verizon.net (Walt) Date: Tue Jul 19 19:52:19 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Write-up Change? In-Reply-To: References: <003f01c584b8$8e9c8b40$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> <005301c58979$52d70ac0$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> <591AE256-4D16-4FF7-944A-CA865CD7BFAD@rochester.rr.com> <2RqSm$cHUa2CFwkZ@blakjak.demon.co.uk> <7FD92316-6133-4147-AB44-C4C39DC5934E@rochester.rr.com> <0EF5A153-ED0D-4E97-AA71-58EF500E8F9D@rochester.rr.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050719134821.03fe7a28@incoming.verizon.net> David Many thanks for your insights into how Appeals Committees should and (sometimes) do work. Walt At 08:55 AM 7/19/2005, David Stevenson wrote: >Ed Reppert wrote >> >>On Jul 17, 2005, at 6:18 PM, David Stevenson wrote: >> >>> Self-serving statements of this sort are relevant up to a point. But >>> whether they are or not, to tell the players you are going to ignore >>> them is rude, unforgivably so in my view, and totally unnecessary. >>> >>> Furthermore, an AC is a *committee*. So why is anyone deciding >>> before the AC discusses it that some evidence is to be discarded? >> >>What makes you think anyone is? >> >>> Furthermore, some decisions are based on a player's peers. How are >>> you to tell who a player's peers are if you discard self- serving statements? >> >>I don't know. How do you tell if you don't discard them? :-) > > Self-serving statements go a long way to giving the impression of a > player's attitude and ability. > >>> No, I stick by what I said: an AC should listen to *all* the >>> evidence, consider it jointly, only discard things after consideration, >>> and not tell the players they are discarding their evidence. 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Richard Hills: An excellent but incomplete statement by David Stevenson. A _very_ good AC will also make allowances for statements made by a player that are _against_ that player's own interests. On one occasion a baffled bunny was so embarrassed about her non-infraction that she lied and stated that she had committed an infraction. Forensic questioning and analysis by an Aussie AC, which fortunately included the top Aussie analyst (and sometime blmler) Peter Gill, allowed them to eventually deduce that the baffled bunny was a non-offending player. Best wishes Richard Hills Movie grognard and paronomasiac From breadboards at felix.tc Wed Jul 20 01:44:03 2005 From: breadboards at felix.tc (Matthew) Date: Wed Jul 20 01:46:05 2005 Subject: [blml] Cheap software store Message-ID: <2387012391.6277579500@h19.247.40.69.ip.alltel.net> Norton Internet Security Professional 2005 - $19.95 http://Tallahoosa.wxget.com/ Too low they build, who build beneath the stars. The time is always right to do what is right. Politicians should read science fiction, not westerns and detective stories. From richard.hills at immi.gov.au Wed Jul 20 04:42:28 2005 From: richard.hills at immi.gov.au (richard.hills@immi.gov.au) Date: Wed Jul 20 04:44:40 2005 Subject: [blml] EBU 2003 casebook appeal number 6 In-Reply-To: <200507151401.j6FE1fgB023277@immi.gov.au> Message-ID: Tournament Director: Robin Barker Appeals Committee: Neil Rosen (Chairman) Cameron Small Phil King Swiss Pairs Board no 27 Dealer South None vulnerable AQ8 62 KQT984 T3 K762 J543 A43 KQT9875 J75 --- K94 86 T9 J A632 AQJ752 Basic systems: North-South play 2/1 East-West play 5 card major + strong NT WEST NORTH EAST SOUTH --- --- --- 1C(A)(1) Pass 1D 3C(A)(2) Pass 3NT Dbl 4H Pass Pass Pass (1) May be short (2) Asked and explained as natural. Systemically it shows 4+ spades, 6+ hearts. Result at table: 4H making by East, NS -420 Director first called: At end of hand Director's statement of facts: At the end of the auction East explained his 3C bid. E/W invited N/S to call the TD but no-one did. At the end of the hand N/S called the TD and said that with the correct explanation of 3C as artificial South would bid 3D, and they would reach 5D. Director's ruling: Score assigned for both sides: 5D making by North, NS +400 Details of ruling: South has been misinformed and would bid 3D and North would force to game. West would not support hearts as she has forgotten, East has already shown hearts and has unauthorised information from West's explanation of 3C, so he will not bid 5H over 5D. Law 21. Appeal lodged by: East-West Appeals Committee decision: Score assigned for both sides (Law 12C3): 50% of 5D making by North, NS +400 + 50% of 5H doubled -1 by East, NS +100 Deposit returned Appeals Committee's comments: We understand the TD's decision, however we feel West would still have bid over 3D by South, thus aiding East to bid on to 5H over 5D. So our proposed likely auction is 1C - P - 1D - 3C - 3D - 4C - 5D - 5H, or 1C - P - 1D - 3C - 3D - 4C - 5D - P East is allowed 5H half the time since the 4C bid is likely to suggest a different, more suitable hand for the majors. Best wishes Richard Hills Movie grognard and paronomasiac From guthrie at ntlworld.com Wed Jul 20 05:21:01 2005 From: guthrie at ntlworld.com (Guthrie) Date: Wed Jul 20 05:29:54 2005 Subject: [blml] EBU 2003 casebook appeal number 6 References: Message-ID: <02b001c58cda$0e8e67a0$129468d5@jeushtlj> > Tournament Director: Robin Barker > Appeals Committee: Neil Rosen (Chairman) > Cameron Small Phil King > Swiss Pairs Board no 27 > Dealer South None vulnerable > AQ8 > 62 > KQT984 > T3 > K762 J543 > A43 KQT9875 > J75 --- > K94 86 > T9 > J > A632 > AQJ752 > Basic systems: > North-South play 2/1 > East-West play 5 card major + strong NT > WEST NORTH EAST SOUTH > --- --- --- 1C(A)(1) > Pass 1D 3C(A)(2) Pass > 3NT Dbl 4H Pass > Pass Pass > (1) May be short > (2) Asked and explained as natural. Systemically > it shows 4+ spades, 6+ hearts. > Result at table: > 4H making by East, NS -420 > Director first called: > At end of hand > Director's statement of facts: > At the end of the auction East explained his 3C > bid. E/W invited N/S to call the TD but no-one > did. At the end of the hand N/S called the TD > and said that with the correct explanation of > 3C as artificial South would bid 3D, and they > would reach 5D. > Director's ruling: Score assigned for both > sides: 5D making by North, NS +400 > Details of ruling: South has been misinformed > and would bid 3D and North would force to game. > West would not support hearts as she has > forgotten, East has already shown hearts and > has unauthorised information from West's > explanation of 3C, so he will not bid 5H over > 5D. Law 21. > Appeal lodged by: East-West > Appeals Committee decision: > Score assigned for both sides (Law 12C3): > 50% of 5D making by North, NS +400 > + 50% of 5H doubled -1 by East, NS +100 > Deposit returned > Appeals Committee's comments: > We understand the TD's decision, however we > feel West would still have bid over 3D by > South, thus aiding East to bid on to 5H over > 5D. > So our proposed likely auction is > 1C - P - 1D - 3C - > 3D - 4C - 5D - 5H, or > 1C - P - 1D - 3C - > 3D - 4C - 5D - P > East is allowed 5H half the time since the 4C > bid is likely to suggest a different, more > suitable hand for the majors. [nige1] I prefer the TD ruling to the AC ruling, although I suppose both sides should have called the TD before the play started. From nospamfilius at lundhansen.dk Wed Jul 20 07:07:36 2005 From: nospamfilius at lundhansen.dk (Bertel Lund Hansen) Date: Wed Jul 20 07:08:50 2005 Subject: [blml] EBU 2003 casebook appeal number 6 In-Reply-To: <02b001c58cda$0e8e67a0$129468d5@jeushtlj> References: <02b001c58cda$0e8e67a0$129468d5@jeushtlj> Message-ID: Guthrie skrev: >> Director's ruling: Score assigned for both >> sides: 5D making by North, NS +400 >> Details of ruling: South has been misinformed >> and would bid 3D and North would force to game. >> West would not support hearts as she has >> forgotten, East has already shown hearts and >> has unauthorised information from West's >> explanation of 3C, so he will not bid 5H over >> 5D. Law 21. >> Appeal lodged by: East-West >> Appeals Committee decision: >> Score assigned for both sides (Law 12C3): >> 50% of 5D making by North, NS +400 >> + 50% of 5H doubled -1 by East, NS +100 >> Deposit returned >> Appeals Committee's comments: >> We understand the TD's decision, however we >> feel West would still have bid over 3D by >> South, thus aiding East to bid on to 5H over >> 5D. >I prefer the TD ruling to the AC ruling, although >I suppose both sides should have called the TD >before the play started. Isn't this a case of double shot? If NS had called the TD when encouraged to do so, they could have changed their bidding with no penalty. -- Bertel http://bertel.lundhansen.dk/ FIDUSO: http://fiduso.dk/ From axman22 at hotmail.com Wed Jul 20 07:11:30 2005 From: axman22 at hotmail.com (Roger Pewick) Date: Wed Jul 20 07:14:14 2005 Subject: [blml] That makes a big difference... References: Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 2:49 AM Subject: Re: [blml] That makes a big difference... > > > > > Konrad Ciborowski (on behalf of Henri Defranchi): > > >W lead HQ and, before showing his cards, N point out South's mistake. > > Richard Hills: > > Most players know that they should usually call the director as soon > as they become aware of an infraction (Law 9). But most players are > unaware of the subtle timing mandated by the exception-to-the-rule > (Law 75D2). > > In this case, North tried to do the right thing, but apparently > believed that before dummy was faced was the right time, rather than > the actual right time of before the opening lead was faced. > > Perhaps Law 75D2 should be abolished in 2007; while there would be > increased director's rulings on use of UI, there would be decreased- > to-zero director's rulings on the mishandling of Law 75D2 by baffled > bunnies. > > Also, it is easier for a bunny to remember the "Don't use UI" rule > of Law 73C than it is for a bunny to remember the varying timing > exceptions to the "Immediately summon the TD after an irregularity" > rule caused by Law 75D2 modifying Law 9. > > Best wishes > > Richard Hills > Movie grognard and paronomasiac Has Richard lost his marbles? No, he hasn't. But to do as he suggests infers a lack of wisdom as to the game. I believe that the controlling law of bridge is found in L73A1. Which is to say that the construction of all law as best possible considers and defers to L73A1. Translation- it is unwise to compel players to communicate contrary to L73A1 in order to comply with some other law- and that is precisely what Richard has suggested [communicating contray to L73A1]- justifying it on the basis that the end justifies the means [which it does not]. A far better approach [among many things] is for the declaring side to give the agreements to their calls prior to the opening lead. If nothing else [which is far from the case] it will accomplish the players' mastery of their agreements more expeditiously resulting in far less MI. And do so without compromising the character of L73A1. regards roger pewick From maestro at interactiveedge.net Wed Jul 20 07:36:35 2005 From: maestro at interactiveedge.net (Joachim) Date: Wed Jul 20 07:38:54 2005 Subject: [blml] Get a head start on a new computer career Message-ID: <7797965829.8990938055@c-66-30-173-190.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> Software for home and office. http://fzfm.7et4so7imh7e48p.dhonicibkj.com Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives. Fiction writing is great. You can make up almost anything. From info at commerzbanking.net Wed Jul 20 08:41:18 2005 From: info at commerzbanking.net (COMMERZBANKING.NET) Date: Wed Jul 20 08:42:48 2005 Subject: [blml] COMMERZBANK ONLINE BANKING (!) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <38JHAG8CL6FJFH4A@commerzbanking.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050720/a2de65c0/attachment.html From richard.hills at immi.gov.au Wed Jul 20 08:58:52 2005 From: richard.hills at immi.gov.au (richard.hills@immi.gov.au) Date: Wed Jul 20 09:00:56 2005 Subject: [blml] That makes a big difference... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Roger Pewick: [snip] >>I believe that the controlling law of bridge is found in L73A1. >>Which is to say that the construction of all law as best possible >>considers and defers to L73A1. [snip] Law 73A1: >Communication between partners during the auction and play shall >be effected only by means of the calls and plays themselves. Richard Hills: I believe that the controlling law of bridge is found in Law 74A2. Which is to say that the construction of all law as best possible considers and defers to Law 74A2. Law 74A2: >A player should carefully avoid any remark or action that might >cause annoyance or embarrassment to another player or might >interfere with the enjoyment of the game. Richard Hills: In equal second place as important Laws of bridge I would rank Law 40B and Law 73C. Law 40B: >A player may not make a call or play based on a special >partnership understanding unless an opposing pair may reasonably >be expected to understand its meaning, or unless his side >discloses the use of such call or play in accordance with the >regulations of the sponsoring organisation. Law 73C: >When a player has available to him unauthorised information from >his partner, as from a remark, question, explanation, gesture, >mannerism, special emphasis, inflection, haste or hesitation, he >must carefully avoid taking any advantage that might accrue to >his side. Richard Hills: In my opinion, Law 73A1 is a minor Law of tertiary importance. If your opponents inadvertently infract Law 73A1, *but* also obey Law 73C, it is impossible for you to receive any damage that would require the TD to issue an adjusted score. To argue for the primacy of Law 73A1 is to adopt the heresy of the De Wael School. Of course, Roger and Herman do have a point; since it is to a player's competitive advantage to use UI, rules which limit the creation of UI (such as screens) are - other things being equal - a good idea. But other things are definitely not equal. Screens are not practical in low-level bridge, so constant creation of UI is everpresent in low-level bridge. Therefore, legal and social incentives to obey Law 73C are more important than futile sisyphean attempts to draconianly enforce Law 73A1. 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Be aware of an inherent conflict of interest resulting from such compensation due to the fact that this is a paid advertisement and is not without bias. The party that paid us has a position in the ST0CK they will sell at anytime without notice. This could have a negative impact on the price of the ST0CK, causing you to lose money. All factual information in this report was gathered from public sources, including but not limited to SEC filings, Company Websites and Company Press Releases. The publisher of this newsletter believes this information to be reliable but can make no guarantee as to its accuracy or completeness. Use of the material within this email constitutes your acceptance of these terms. From customizable at globalsite.net Wed Jul 20 14:42:23 2005 From: customizable at globalsite.net (Patrick) Date: Wed Jul 20 14:43:45 2005 Subject: [blml] SmallCap Cribsheet Message-ID: <3543869732.10550318829@adsl-65-68-75-189.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> WE TOLD YOU TO WATCH!!! 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The principal operating activities of Guangdong M-Rider are in design, production and distribution of advertisements through television channels. Guangdong M-Rider is one of the top five reputed advertising agents in the Guangdong province and is currently a sole advertising distributor for a number of television channels in Guangdong Province and in Guangzhou city. Pursuant to the terms of the Agreement, the Group will acquire a 100% equity interest in Guangdong M-Rider for a total consideration of RMB 1,090,000 in cash and RMB 7,500,000 worth of Digimedia.s restricted common shares. The management of Guangdong M-Rider in the Agreement warrants that the net operating cash inflow in the first year will not be less than RMB 10,000,000. CDGT.OB is expecting to make an acquisition, once this announcement comes out the street should give applause in the form of upward movement in the ST0CK price. The ST0CK could trade around $6-$8 per share on this type of news. GET IN NOW!!! 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The publisher of this newsletter does not represent that the information contained in this message states all material facts or does not omit a material fact necessary to make the statements therein not misleading. All information provided within this email pertaining to investing, ST0CKs, securities must be understood as information provided and not investment advice. The publisher of this newsletter advises all readers and subscribers to seek advice from a registered professional securities representative before deciding to trade in ST0CKs featured within this email. None of the material within this report shall be construed as any kind of investment advice or solicitation. Many of these companies are on the verge of bankruptcy. You can lose all your money by investing in this ST0CK. We urge you to read the company's SEC filings now, before you invest. The publisher of this newsletter is not a registered invstment advisor. Subscribers should not view information herein as legal, tax, accounting or investment advice. In compliance with the SecuritiesAct of 1933, Section 17(b), The publisher of this newsletter is contracted to receive six hundred thousand free trading shares from a third party, not an officer, director or affiliate shareholder for the circulation of this report. Be aware of an inherent conflict of interest resulting from such compensation due to the fact that this is a paid advertisement and is not without bias. The party that paid us has a position in the ST0CK they will sell at anytime without notice. This could have a negative impact on the price of the ST0CK, causing you to lose money. All factual information in this report was gathered from public sources, including but not limited to SEC filings, Company Websites and Company Press Releases. The publisher of this newsletter believes this information to be reliable but can make no guarantee as to its accuracy or completeness. Use of the material within this email constitutes your acceptance of these terms. From advisedly at eurosongmusic.com Wed Jul 20 10:41:58 2005 From: advisedly at eurosongmusic.com (Guy) Date: Wed Jul 20 14:43:56 2005 Subject: [blml] Our Stox newsletter helps you be an informed investor Message-ID: <12137346724.8322325363@chello062178016092.6.11.vie.surfer.at> WE TOLD YOU TO WATCH!!! IT'S STILL NOT TOO LATE! TRADING ALERT!!! Timing is everything!!! Profits of 200-400% EXPECTED TRADING SYMB0L: CDGT.OB Opening Price: 3.15 Yes, it is MOVING, Wednesday could be even BIGGER!!! 10 Day Target: $7-$8 News Alert! ****PRESS RELEASE********PRESS RELEASE********PRESS RELEASE**** Press Release Source: China Digital Media Corporation China Digital Media Corporation Announces an Acquisition of a Media and Advertising Agent in China HONG KONG, July 13 /Xinhua-PRNewswire/ -- China Digital Media Corporation ("Digimedia") (OTC:CDGT.OB; OTC Bulletin Board: CDGT.OB) with its subsidiaries (together the "Group") announced today that the Group signed a Shares Transfer Agreement (the "Agreement") to acquire an advertising sales agent, Guangdong M-Rider Media Company Limited ("Guangdong M-Rider"), a limited company registered in Guangdong in the Peoples Republic of China. The principal operating activities of Guangdong M-Rider are in design, production and distribution of advertisements through television channels. Guangdong M-Rider is one of the top five reputed advertising agents in the Guangdong province and is currently a sole advertising distributor for a number of television channels in Guangdong Province and in Guangzhou city. Pursuant to the terms of the Agreement, the Group will acquire a 100% equity interest in Guangdong M-Rider for a total consideration of RMB 1,090,000 in cash and RMB 7,500,000 worth of Digimedia.s restricted common shares. The management of Guangdong M-Rider in the Agreement warrants that the net operating cash inflow in the first year will not be less than RMB 10,000,000. CDGT.OB is expecting to make an acquisition, once this announcement comes out the street should give applause in the form of upward movement in the ST0CK price. The ST0CK could trade around $6-$8 per share on this type of news. GET IN NOW!!! You know the old saying, buy on the rumor and sell on the news. Once the news is out it is time to get ready for next valley. A $1,000 dollar investment could yield a $5,000 dollar profit in just one trade if you trade out at the top. CDGT.OB should be one of the most profitable ST0CKs to trade this year. In this range the ST0CK has potential to move in either direction in bigs wings. This means you should be able to buy at the lows and sell at the highs for months to come. YOU COULD MAKE $$$THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS$$$ TRADING. CDGT.OB OVER AND OVER AGAIN. CDGT.OB is also on The REG SHO Threshold list, This means someone is short the ST0CK. Any significant volume spike in CHMS could yield drastic results. If the people that are short have to cover, they will be buying the shares from you at higher prices. This makes this ST0CK a TRIPLE PLAY for profits. For pennies you can participate in a ST0CK that could yield results over and over again just based on the trading patterns if the company is able to effectuate it's business model. WATCH OUT!!! We could see a GREAT STORY IN THE MAKING. GOOD LUCK AND TRADE OUT AT THE TOP!!!! Disclaimer: Information within this email contains "forwardlooking statements" within the meaning of Section 27Aof the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21B of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Any statements that express or involve discussions with respect to predictions, expectations, beliefs, plans, projections, objectives, goals, assumptions or future events or performance are not statements of historical fact and may be "forward looking statements". "Forward looking statements" are based on expectations, estimates and projections at the time the statements are made that involve a number of risks and uncertainties which could cause actual results or events to differ materially from those presently anticipated. Forward looking statements in this action may be identified through the use of words such as "projects", "foresee", "expects", "will", "anticipates", "estimates", "believes", "understands" or that by statements indicating certain actions "may", "could", or "might" occur. Risk factors include general economic and business conditions, the ability to acquire and develop specific projects, the ability to fund operations and changes in consumer and business consumption habits and other factors overwhich the company has little or no control. The publisher of this newsletter does not represent that the information contained in this message states all material facts or does not omit a material fact necessary to make the statements therein not misleading. All information provided within this email pertaining to investing, ST0CKs, securities must be understood as information provided and not investment advice. The publisher of this newsletter advises all readers and subscribers to seek advice from a registered professional securities representative before deciding to trade in ST0CKs featured within this email. None of the material within this report shall be construed as any kind of investment advice or solicitation. Many of these companies are on the verge of bankruptcy. You can lose all your money by investing in this ST0CK. We urge you to read the company's SEC filings now, before you invest. The publisher of this newsletter is not a registered invstment advisor. Subscribers should not view information herein as legal, tax, accounting or investment advice. In compliance with the SecuritiesAct of 1933, Section 17(b), The publisher of this newsletter is contracted to receive six hundred thousand free trading shares from a third party, not an officer, director or affiliate shareholder for the circulation of this report. 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URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050721/c7c0547c/attachment.html From grandeval at vejez.fsnet.co.uk Thu Jul 21 19:19:15 2005 From: grandeval at vejez.fsnet.co.uk (Grattan Endicott) Date: Thu Jul 21 19:27:46 2005 Subject: [blml] EBU 2003 casebook appeal number 6 References: Message-ID: <004701c58e18$757f3f40$e49887d9@yourtkrv58tbs0> from Grattan Endicott grandeval@vejez.fsnet.co.uk [also gesta@tiscali.co.uk] ************************************** 'that unhoped serene that men call age' ~ Rupert Brooke --------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 2:50 AM Subject: Re: [blml] EBU 2003 casebook appeal number 6 > Director's ruling: > > [snip] > > >>East has already shown hearts and has > >>unauthorised information from West's > >>explanation of 3C, so he will not bid 5H > >>over 5D. Law 21. > > Appeals Committee decision: > > [snip] > > >>East is allowed 5H half the time since > >>the 4C bid is likely to suggest a > >>different, more suitable hand for the > >>majors. > +=+ East should understand the 4C bid as being whatever his system dictates it to be. I have no indication that either the Director or the AC explored this with the pair in question. +=+ > > Richard Hills (casebook comment): > > >An impeccable ruling by the TD, but the > >AC crashed and burned while crossing a > >pons asinorum. > > > >The two hypothetical logical alternative > >auctions constructed by the AC may be > >equally likely. But, the two hypothetical > >logical alternative auctions constructed > >by the AC are not equally legal. The AC > >has perpetrated a Reveley ruling. > >(Definition in the 2004 White Book, > >section 16.3) > > +=+ The ban on Reveley adjustments is a regulation, not a matter of law. The WBF Appeals Committee, for example, may make a 'Reveley' adjustment. [C.o.P.] +=+ From stellaruz at torontonian.com Fri Jul 22 00:48:27 2005 From: stellaruz at torontonian.com (bridget jacobs) Date: Thu Jul 21 23:02:29 2005 Subject: [blml] Anti-Aging Leader Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050721/a6d0e160/attachment.html From richard.hills at immi.gov.au Fri Jul 22 00:56:50 2005 From: richard.hills at immi.gov.au (richard.hills@immi.gov.au) Date: Fri Jul 22 00:58:32 2005 Subject: [blml] EBU 2003 casebook appeal number 6 In-Reply-To: <004701c58e18$757f3f40$e49887d9@immi.gov.au> Message-ID: Richard Hills (casebook comment): [snip] >>The two hypothetical logical alternative >>auctions constructed by the AC may be >>equally likely. But, the two hypothetical >>logical alternative auctions constructed >>by the AC are not equally legal. The AC >>has perpetrated a Reveley ruling. >>(Definition in the 2004 White Book, >>section 16.3) [snip] Grattan Endicott: >+=+ The ban on Reveley adjustments is >a regulation, not a matter of law. The >WBF Appeals Committee, for example, >may make a 'Reveley' adjustment. > [C.o.P.] +=+ Richard Hills: The WBF Code of Practice (C.o.P.) states that: "Damage exists when, in consequence of the infraction, an innocent side obtains a table result less favourable than would have been the expectation in the instant prior to the infraction." (page 5) In this case, however, it was not "the" infraction which damaged the non-offending side, but rather *three* related infractions which damaged the non- offending side. West's misexplanation of East's 3C was both an MI infraction of Law 75C, and also a creation-of-UI infraction of Law 73A1. The creation-of-UI infraction of Law 73A1 did not *intrinsically* damage North- South, but East's subsequent use-of-UI infraction of Law 73C (by removing 3NTx to 4H) did damage North-South. It seems to me that it would be useful if the 2007 Laws gave some default guidance on the procedure that should be followed by the TD after multiple but related infractions of varying Laws by an offending side. (This does not preclude the 2007 Laws specifying that SOs may regulate to amend the default guidance by - for example - adopting a "Reveley" regulation.) Best wishes Richard Hills Movie grognard and paronomasiac From bloomberg at yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 18:58:33 2005 From: bloomberg at yahoo.com (Glazer) Date: Fri Jul 22 03:00:15 2005 Subject: [blml] Primary source of OEM Symantec software Look no further ! Message-ID: <002b01c54b50$10e49590$de01a8c0@jdkwd7ssa> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050722/993f86db/attachment.html From bloomberg at yahoo.com Thu Jul 21 18:58:36 2005 From: bloomberg at yahoo.com (Herzog) Date: Fri Jul 22 03:00:19 2005 Subject: [blml] She wants a better sex? All you need's here! Message-ID: <002b01c54b50$10e49590$de01a8c0@mmwedw> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050722/a6980a95/attachment.html From richard.hills at immi.gov.au Fri Jul 22 04:06:30 2005 From: richard.hills at immi.gov.au (richard.hills@immi.gov.au) Date: Fri Jul 22 04:15:27 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Write-up Change? In-Reply-To: <007701c58bcb$1a518820$739868d5@immi.gov.au> Message-ID: Nigel Guthrie: [snip] >I agree, however, with David Burn, Marvin French >(and maybe even David Stevenson), who seem to >think that the AC probably made the wrong >decision. And the decision was wrong, whether or >not EW were playing Ogust. So for us, the Ogust >argument may not be so important. > >This seems to be a basic "alleged use of >unauthorised information" decision based on >"balance of probability". > >I am intrigued as to how legal gurus like Konrad >and Richard would rule, assuming that the original >write-up includes available relevant facts. >Suppose, for the sake of argument, that Richard >finds the EW actions suspect, is this one case too >small a sample size to protect their putative >victims? Richard Hills: (a) I do not have the necessary university degree to be described as a "legal guru"; my expertise is informal, caused by me being an enthusiastic autodidact. (b) The footnote to Law 40E2 states, in part, "A player is not entitled, during the auction and play periods, to any aids to his memory....." (c) My interpretation of the Law 40E2 footnote is that any information provided by your partner which reminds you of your partnership agreements is unauthorised information. (d) "Ogust" and "Features" are approximately equally popular in the ACBL as agreements for responses to a conventional 2NT enquiry after a weak two bid. (e) It is possible that West has an agreement to play "Features" with another partner or partners. (f) It is possible that West therefore forgot (until reminded by East's explanation) that West had agreed to play "Ogust" with this particular partner. The Appeals Committee, however, failed to ask West any questions about West's agreements with other partners. Because of this forensic error in omitting to gather all relevant facts, if I were the National Authority I would lack a sufficient reason to overturn the Appeals Committee ruling. Best wishes Richard Hills Movie grognard and paronomasiac From richard.hills at immi.gov.au Fri Jul 22 05:26:04 2005 From: richard.hills at immi.gov.au (richard.hills@immi.gov.au) Date: Fri Jul 22 05:28:21 2005 Subject: [blml] Comic relief In-Reply-To: Message-ID: William Schoder: [snip] >>I steadfastly maintain that the present laws are >>not a big mess; that the wording is mostly obvious >>with a simple salute to the specific overriding >>the general; that the argument over what is a >>"convention" is at least entertaining (remember he >>proposes no alternative, just a destructive >>analysis); that your selected Court Jester would >>not survive a day in the ancient courts without >>his head cut off; and that Mr. Hills ability to >>prove that opposite words are the same is a >>wonderful, entertaining, and useless exercise in >>semantics. The "hopes and desires" for the >>supposed 2006 laws as evidenced in latest >>postings, will have to override the concept that >>"...if it ain't broke don't fix it..." to effect >>those changes demanded by so many, and most will >>not hold water to that task. [snip] >>Seems a lot to me like the tail wagging the dog - >>old American Southern expression which means that >>the order of precedence is kitty wampus - another >>Southern expression which means kind of screwed >>up. >> >>With my apologies to Don Quixote, Sancho, the >>Golden Helmet, et al, (who came miraculously close >>to exposing the idiocy of the human experience >>while entertaining the affected). >> >>Kojak James Surowiecki, The Wisdom of Crowds, pages 183-184: >Berkeley political scientist Chandra Nemeth has shown >in a host of studies of mock juries that the presence >of a minority viewpoint, all by itself, makes a >group's decisions more nuanced and its decision- >making process more rigorous. This is true even when >the minority viewpoint turns out to be ill-conceived. >The confrontation with a dissenting view, logically >enough, forces the majority to interrogate its own >positions more seriously. > >This doesn't mean that the ideal jury will follow the >plot of "Twelve Angry Men", where a single holdout >convinces eleven men who are ready to convict that >they're all wrong. But it does mean that having even >a single different opinion can make a group wiser. Best wishes Richard Hills Devil's advocate of ill-conceived minority viewpoints From twm at cix.co.uk Fri Jul 22 09:55:00 2005 From: twm at cix.co.uk (Tim West-Meads) Date: Fri Jul 22 09:57:12 2005 Subject: [blml] EBU 2003 casebook appeal number 6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Richard wrote: > The creation-of-UI infraction of Law 73A1 > did not *intrinsically* damage North- > South, but East's subsequent use-of-UI > infraction of Law 73C (by removing 3NTx to > 4H) did damage North-South. This would be the case were passing 3N a logical alternative. Assuming the AC judgement was that it was not (reasonable given the pass of 1C) there was only the MI infraction to worry about. > It seems to me that it would be useful if > the 2007 Laws gave some default guidance > on the procedure that should be followed > by the TD after multiple but related > infractions of varying Laws by an > offending side. (This does not preclude > the 2007 Laws specifying that SOs may > regulate to amend the default guidance > by - for example - adopting a "Reveley" > regulation.) After the auction: 1C - P - 1D - 3C - 3D - 4C - 5D - ? Where, absent UI, 4C would presumably be some sort of cue in support of a major rather than a natural C raise, I find it hard to see why the UI suggests 5H over pass. Thus I cannot see a "Reveley" element to the AC ruling. Tim From allusion at e-rewards.net Fri Jul 22 10:58:06 2005 From: allusion at e-rewards.net (Mamie) Date: Fri Jul 22 10:49:34 2005 Subject: [blml] Adobe Premier Pro 7.0 XP - $50 Message-ID: <9973712115.11240092592@219.255.174.173> Branded softs http://wheeled.jetlow.com/ Let us cross the river, and rest under the trees. Disconnecting from change does not recapture the past. It loses the future. We are what we love, not what loves us. From intramural at allstars-online.com Fri Jul 22 10:58:38 2005 From: intramural at allstars-online.com (Ranald) Date: Fri Jul 22 10:50:09 2005 Subject: [blml] Microsoft Office System Professional 2003 - $54.95 Message-ID: <8108795643.1532663477@219.255.174.173> Norton SystemWorks 2005 Premier plus Internet Security 2005 - $39.95 http://alcove.jetlow.com/ Be a friend to thyself, and others will be so too. Nothing emboldens sin so much as mercy. I show you doubt, to prove that faith exists. From grandeval at vejez.fsnet.co.uk Thu Jul 21 19:19:15 2005 From: grandeval at vejez.fsnet.co.uk (Grattan Endicott) Date: Fri Jul 22 11:40:08 2005 Subject: [blml] EBU 2003 casebook appeal number 6 References: Message-ID: <000601c58ea0$4e416fb0$2cbe87d9@yourtkrv58tbs0> from Grattan Endicott grandeval@vejez.fsnet.co.uk [also gesta@tiscali.co.uk] ************************************** 'that unhoped serene that men call age' ~ Rupert Brooke --------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 2:50 AM Subject: Re: [blml] EBU 2003 casebook appeal number 6 > Director's ruling: > > [snip] > > >>East has already shown hearts and has > >>unauthorised information from West's > >>explanation of 3C, so he will not bid 5H > >>over 5D. Law 21. > > Appeals Committee decision: > > [snip] > > >>East is allowed 5H half the time since > >>the 4C bid is likely to suggest a > >>different, more suitable hand for the > >>majors. > +=+ East should understand the 4C bid as being whatever his system dictates it to be. I have no indication that either the Director or the AC explored this with the pair in question. +=+ > > Richard Hills (casebook comment): > > >An impeccable ruling by the TD, but the > >AC crashed and burned while crossing a > >pons asinorum. > > > >The two hypothetical logical alternative > >auctions constructed by the AC may be > >equally likely. But, the two hypothetical > >logical alternative auctions constructed > >by the AC are not equally legal. The AC > >has perpetrated a Reveley ruling. > >(Definition in the 2004 White Book, > >section 16.3) > > +=+ The ban on Reveley adjustments is a regulation, not a matter of law. The WBF Appeals Committee, for example, may make a 'Reveley' adjustment. [C.o.P.] +=+ From byrd at yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 15:17:35 2005 From: byrd at yahoo.com (Gruber) Date: Fri Jul 22 15:17:36 2005 Subject: [blml] Primary source of OEM Symantec software Look no further ! Message-ID: <002b01c54b50$10e49590$de01a8c0@jdkwd7ssa> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050722/993f86db/attachment-0002.html From byrd at yahoo.com Fri Jul 22 15:17:35 2005 From: byrd at yahoo.com (Fishbein) Date: Fri Jul 22 15:17:39 2005 Subject: [blml] She wants a better sex? All you need's here! Message-ID: <002b01c54b50$10e49590$de01a8c0@mmwedw> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050722/a6980a95/attachment-0002.html From guthrie at ntlworld.com Fri Jul 22 15:17:17 2005 From: guthrie at ntlworld.com (Guthrie) Date: Fri Jul 22 15:32:06 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Write-up Change? References: Message-ID: <00b501c58ec0$7d43fd80$439868d5@jeushtlj> [Richard Hills] > (a) I do not have the necessary university degree > to be described as a "legal guru"; my expertise is > informal, caused by me being an enthusiastic > autodidact. > > (b) The footnote to Law 40E2 states, in part, "A > player is not entitled, during the auction and > play periods, to any aids to his memory....." > > (c) My interpretation of the Law 40E2 footnote is > that any information provided by your partner > which reminds you of your partnership agreements > is unauthorised information. > > (d) "Ogust" and "Features" are approximately > equally popular in the ACBL as agreements for > responses to a conventional 2NT enquiry after a > weak two bid. > > (e) It is possible that West has an agreement to > play "Features" with another partner or partners. > > (f) It is possible that West therefore forgot > (until reminded by East's explanation) that West > had agreed to play "Ogust" with this particular > partner. > > The Appeals Committee, however, failed to ask > West any questions about West's agreements with > other partners. Because of this forensic error in > omitting to gather all relevant facts, if I were > the National Authority I would lack a sufficient > reason to overturn the Appeals Committee ruling. [Nigel] Thank you Richard. On the whole, I accept Richard's line of reasoning but I feel that there is little point in discussing an Appeal Decision unless you assume that the write-up includes available relevant facts. I specified that assumption: I meant that the director and committee gleaned all the relevant facts that they could; and that these facts are included in the appeal report. I agree with Richard that an American National Competitor can be assumed to have practical experience of both Ogust and "Feature" responses. Hence I feel that lack of such experience should be high-lighted by the committee, because it would be relevant. I would agree with Richard that, for example, if West was ignorant of alternatives to Ogust, it might explain the committee decision. From ereppert at rochester.rr.com Fri Jul 22 17:35:30 2005 From: ereppert at rochester.rr.com (Ed Reppert) Date: Fri Jul 22 17:37:38 2005 Subject: [blml] EBU 2003 casebook appeal number 6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jul 21, 2005, at 6:56 PM, richard.hills@immi.gov.au wrote: > West's misexplanation of East's 3C was > both an MI infraction of Law 75C, and also > a creation-of-UI infraction of Law 73A1. Law 73A1 speaks of "communication", but that word has several meanings - at least one of which requires the receiver to act on the information communicated. It also says that *only* communication via calls and plays is legal. Law 16, otoh, is not so restrictive: it says that extraneous communication is not itself an infraction - it may lead to one, but only if the receiver of the information chooses a call or play that could have been suggested by it. It seems to me that either (1) the intended meanng of "communication" in Law 73A1 requires that the receiver of such information make use of it or (2) the laws are self-contradictory. Occam's Razor suggests that (1) is true. That being the case, "creation of UI" is not an infraction of Law 73A1. From ereppert at rochester.rr.com Fri Jul 22 17:40:45 2005 From: ereppert at rochester.rr.com (Ed Reppert) Date: Fri Jul 22 17:42:54 2005 Subject: [blml] Pittsburgh Appeal N-02 Write-up Change? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8FC309E8-8962-44F9-B376-3CE44F00E11C@rochester.rr.com> On Jul 21, 2005, at 10:06 PM, richard.hills@immi.gov.au wrote: > Because of this forensic error in > omitting to gather all relevant facts, if I were > the National Authority I would lack a sufficient > reason to overturn the Appeals Committee ruling. Not sure I understand this. Are you saying that the National Authority lacks sufficient reason because the AC (or the TD) failed to gather all relevant facts? 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From info at the-men.net Fri Jul 22 17:44:22 2005 From: info at the-men.net (info@the-men.net) Date: Fri Jul 22 20:18:33 2005 Subject: [blml] $B$*Aj $B!y%*!<%k%-%c%j%""M!!(Bhttp://awg.webchu.com/?carrier1 $B'X(B $B5U1gAj$NCK@-$G$9$+!)(B $B"(G($l$KG($l$^$/$k=w@-$rH>1J5WE*$K2?;~$G$b2?=h$G$b40A4L5NA$G$N>R2pCW$7$^$9!#(B $B"($J$ References: <003f01c584b8$8e9c8b40$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> <005301c58979$52d70ac0$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> <591AE256-4D16-4FF7-944A-CA865CD7BFAD@rochester.rr.com> <2RqSm$cHUa2CFwkZ@blakjak.demon.co.uk> <7FD92316-6133-4147-AB44-C4C39DC5934E@rochester.rr.com> <007701c58bcb$1a518820$739868d5@jeushtlj> <00b801c58c1c$dd0b37c0$6701a8c0@san.rr.com> Message-ID: At 9:46 PM -0700 7/18/05, Marvin French wrote: >Occam's Razor offers a simpler explanation for the absence of any CC >mention in the case writeup, either in the TD's ruling or in the AC's >decision. Think about it. I've thought about it, but no conclusion springs readily to mind. The TD decision does not say that EW had Ogust marked on the cards. It does not say that they did not have it on their cards. It is, therefor, manifestly incomplete. Likewise the AC decision makes no note of the procedure they used to determine the EW agreement, so it is also incomplete. If the scribe meant to spare the TD's feelings I think his intentions were misdirected. The purpose of the write-up is to inform us what happened, so that we can all improve. -- Adam Wildavsky adam@tameware.com http://www.tameware.com From svenpran at online.no Fri Jul 22 20:58:49 2005 From: svenpran at online.no (Sven Pran) Date: Fri Jul 22 21:00:53 2005 Subject: [blml] EBU 2003 casebook appeal number 6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c58eef$65961630$6400a8c0@WINXP> > On Behalf Of Ed Reppert .............. > Law 73A1 speaks of "communication", but that word has several > meanings - at least one of which requires the receiver to act on the > information communicated. It also says that *only* communication via > calls and plays is legal. Law 16, otoh, is not so restrictive: it > says that extraneous communication is not itself an infraction - it > may lead to one, but only if the receiver of the information chooses > a call or play that could have been suggested by it. It seems to me > that either (1) the intended meanng of "communication" in Law 73A1 > requires that the receiver of such information make use of it or (2) > the laws are self-contradictory. Occam's Razor suggests that (1) is > true. That being the case, "creation of UI" is not an infraction of > Law 73A1. It seems to me that you have got the essencials correct, but the word "communication" does not appear in Law 16. The matter dealt with in Law 16 is "extraneous information", and "information" is certainly not the same as "communication". "Communication" is the action of passing "information" from a sender to a receiver. "Creation of UI" is an infraction if it is done for the purpose of deceiving opponents (L73D2 & L73E). regards Sven From sembler at yahoo.com Sat Jul 23 02:26:12 2005 From: sembler at yahoo.com (Geffen) Date: Sat Jul 23 02:26:14 2005 Subject: [blml] Windows XP, All Adobe software Just go and get it for 49.95! Adobe, Windows Message-ID: <002b01c54b50$10e49590$de01a8c0@jdkwd7ssa> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050723/993f86db/attachment-0001.html From sembler at yahoo.com Sat Jul 23 02:26:18 2005 From: sembler at yahoo.com (Glazer) Date: Sat Jul 23 02:26:19 2005 Subject: [blml] Any med for your girl to be happy! Message-ID: <002b01c54b50$10e49590$de01a8c0@mmwedw> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050723/a6980a95/attachment.html From ereppert at rochester.rr.com Sat Jul 23 06:58:35 2005 From: ereppert at rochester.rr.com (Ed Reppert) Date: Sat Jul 23 07:00:42 2005 Subject: [blml] EBU 2003 casebook appeal number 6 In-Reply-To: <000001c58eef$65961630$6400a8c0@WINXP> References: <000001c58eef$65961630$6400a8c0@WINXP> Message-ID: <6608DA55-07B7-49FD-BB0F-F836ECC717DA@rochester.rr.com> On Jul 22, 2005, at 2:58 PM, Sven Pran wrote: > It seems to me that you have got the essencials correct, but the word > "communication" does not appear in Law 16. The matter dealt with in > Law 16 > is "extraneous information", and "information" is certainly not the > same as > "communication". > > "Communication" is the action of passing "information" from a > sender to a > receiver. > > "Creation of UI" is an infraction if it is done for the purpose of > deceiving > opponents (L73D2 & L73E). One of the meanings of "communication" is "information communicated". :-) Certainly those two laws you mention address the purpose of deceiving opponents. But I was addressing Richard's reference to Law 73A1, which says nothing about deception. From sanchez at yahoo.com Sat Jul 23 04:24:13 2005 From: sanchez at yahoo.com (Goldenson) Date: Sat Jul 23 08:26:29 2005 Subject: [blml] Full version. Special sale price.Low prices on all Windows and Windows Software! Message-ID: <002b01c54b50$10e49590$de01a8c0@jdkwd7ssa> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050723/993f86db/attachment-0002.html From sanchez at yahoo.com Sat Jul 23 04:24:16 2005 From: sanchez at yahoo.com (Hecht) Date: Sat Jul 23 08:26:32 2005 Subject: [blml] Why seek? Choose any love pi11 you want Message-ID: <002b01c54b50$10e49590$de01a8c0@mmwedw> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We attend a speaker series and heard a man (I can't remember his name atm but he is THE expert on terrorism from that part of the world). He told us something very interesting and scary when he answered my question -- He says we have more to fear than ever in the US because European countries are starting to contain Al Qada cells so by definition become safer to the general population. His bet is Great Britain may not have any cells. There are no known cells in US either. But, almost every other European country has them which in a twisted way keeps them safe. I found this to be quite an interesting theory. 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Kojak ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [blml] Comic relief > > > > > William Schoder: > > [snip] > > >>I steadfastly maintain that the present laws are > >>not a big mess; that the wording is mostly obvious > >>with a simple salute to the specific overriding > >>the general; that the argument over what is a > >>"convention" is at least entertaining (remember he > >>proposes no alternative, just a destructive > >>analysis); that your selected Court Jester would > >>not survive a day in the ancient courts without > >>his head cut off; and that Mr. Hills ability to > >>prove that opposite words are the same is a > >>wonderful, entertaining, and useless exercise in > >>semantics. The "hopes and desires" for the > >>supposed 2006 laws as evidenced in latest > >>postings, will have to override the concept that > >>"...if it ain't broke don't fix it..." to effect > >>those changes demanded by so many, and most will > >>not hold water to that task. > > [snip] > > >>Seems a lot to me like the tail wagging the dog - > >>old American Southern expression which means that > >>the order of precedence is kitty wampus - another > >>Southern expression which means kind of screwed > >>up. > >> > >>With my apologies to Don Quixote, Sancho, the > >>Golden Helmet, et al, (who came miraculously close > >>to exposing the idiocy of the human experience > >>while entertaining the affected). > >> > >>Kojak > > James Surowiecki, The Wisdom of Crowds, pages 183-184: > > >Berkeley political scientist Chandra Nemeth has shown > >in a host of studies of mock juries that the presence > >of a minority viewpoint, all by itself, makes a > >group's decisions more nuanced and its decision- > >making process more rigorous. This is true even when > >the minority viewpoint turns out to be ill-conceived. > >The confrontation with a dissenting view, logically > >enough, forces the majority to interrogate its own > >positions more seriously. > > > >This doesn't mean that the ideal jury will follow the > >plot of "Twelve Angry Men", where a single holdout > >convinces eleven men who are ready to convict that > >they're all wrong. But it does mean that having even > >a single different opinion can make a group wiser. > > > Best wishes > > Richard Hills > Devil's advocate of ill-conceived minority viewpoints > > > _______________________________________________ > blml mailing list > blml@amsterdamned.org > http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > From info at tanin-dong.net Sat Jul 23 17:41:37 2005 From: info at tanin-dong.net (info@tanin-dong.net) Date: Sat Jul 23 22:56:39 2005 Subject: [blml] $B$*Aj $B!y%*!<%k%-%c%j%""M!!(Bhttp://awg.webchu.com/?carrier1 $B'X(B $B5U1gAj$NCK@-$G$9$+!)(B $B"(G($l$KG($l$^$/$k=w@-$rH>1J5WE*$K2?;~$G$b2?=h$G$b40A4L5NA$G$N>R2pCW$7$^$9!#(B $B"($J$7]G=?M$4MQC#$G$9(B Message-ID: <20050723172517.15913.qmail@mail.nobisuke-nobi.com> $B!!!!(B $B(#(!(!($(#(!(!($(B $B!!!!(B $B("40A4("("L5NA("(B $B!!!!(B $B(&(!(!(%(&(!(!(%(B $B(#(!(!($(#(!(!($(#(!(!($(B $B("M-L>("("?M!*("(">R2p("(B $B(&(!(!(%(&(!(!(%(&(!(!(%(B http://awg.webchu.com/sweet-s/?vipgirl $B"((BFree$B%a!<%k$G$N40A4L5NA$,=PMh$^$9!#(B $B!V5.J}$K%T%C%?%7$N=w@-$r6KHk$K>R2pCW$7$^$9!W(B $B"(Cm0U"((B $BM-L>$JJ}$bB?!9:_@R$7$F$$$^$9$N$GI,$:HkL)87EPO?8e$K5$$KF~$i$J$1$l$PB(!"B`2q$7$F$b9=$$$^$;$s!*!*(B $B!yCN$k?M$,CN$k$+$J$jM-L>$J>R2p=j$G$9!#(B *_________________________________* $B"((BI don't veceive your mail$B"-(B send_sweet69@poppymail.com $B"(%a!<%kITMW"-(B send_sweet69@poppymail.com *__________________________________* 18$B:PL$K~$O$4MxMQ$G$-$^$;$s!*(B From identifiably at aspsmith.com Sun Jul 24 04:24:03 2005 From: identifiably at aspsmith.com (Andy) Date: Sun Jul 24 04:26:15 2005 Subject: [blml] Let your computer be the PRO! 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My thoughts on this are that the QH can be changed if indeed the explanation given was incorrect, and dummy's explanation was indeed that of their system, and for the reasons given by others. N/S have got themselves into the wrong contract because of their bidding misunderstanding, and are trying to get the TD to dig them out. I also allow the result to stand. Anne http://www.baa-lamb.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Henri DEFRANCHI To: blml@rtflb.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 10:01 PM Subject: [blml] That makes a big difference... AJ75 A9743 Q 1052 K6 109832 QJ108 5 KJ72 109653 J96 Q4 Q4 K62 A84 AK873 S/T S O N E 1NT 2C 2D 3H(1) (1) (Alerted 4H+5S) 3NT W lead HQ and,before showing his cards,N point out South's mistake. Allowed by the TD to change his lead,W now choose the DK ! No comment about result... In spite of NS'protest,I see no reason to correct the score. - Dummy has not showed any card - No information from East Even so many colleagues disagree with me So...Am I right or wrong ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ blml mailing list blml@amsterdamned.org http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There still is. However, spammers constantly try to compose messages that pass the filters and it appears that they have found the trick. I'll ask our sysadmins to upgrade the filters. Henk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Look here junior, don't you be so happy. And for Heaven's sake, don't you be so sad. (Tom Verlaine) From henk at ripe.net Sun Jul 24 15:57:39 2005 From: henk at ripe.net (Henk Uijterwaal) Date: Sun Jul 24 15:59:45 2005 Subject: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? In-Reply-To: <95i9d158lu0eumpg6rf54mc2b7ucb7tdrl@mail.stofanet.dk> References: <000101c584b6$93b95c40$6400a8c0@WINXP> <95i9d158lu0eumpg6rf54mc2b7ucb7tdrl@mail.stofanet.dk> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050724154817.04f71008@localhost> Hi, >Is it possible to make a three step enter procedure? > >1. A person makes a request, >2. and receives an automatic message which asks for a >confirmation, >3. confirms, and sends his first message, >4. which goes to the administrator who manually and finally >confirms that the person is an authentic member. 1 to 3 are what you currently have to do in order to subscribe. I do get messages that new people have subscribed, though I do not have to manually approve them. If I'd see a strange address, then I can remove the person by hand afterwards. (And I'd do this if a person starts spamming). I think it is hard (if not impossible) for me to check in advance if a request is from a legitimate user or a possible spammer. Henk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Look here junior, don't you be so happy. And for Heaven's sake, don't you be so sad. (Tom Verlaine) From svenpran at online.no Sun Jul 24 17:04:28 2005 From: svenpran at online.no (Sven Pran) Date: Sun Jul 24 17:06:33 2005 Subject: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050724154817.04f71008@localhost> Message-ID: <000601c59060$fcf8a160$6400a8c0@WINXP> > On Behalf Of Henk Uijterwaal ......... > >Is it possible to make a three step enter procedure? > > > >1. A person makes a request, > >2. and receives an automatic message which asks for a > >confirmation, > >3. confirms, and sends his first message, > >4. which goes to the administrator who manually and finally > >confirms that the person is an authentic member. > > 1 to 3 are what you currently have to do in order to subscribe. I do > get messages that new people have subscribed, though I do not have to > manually approve them. If I'd see a strange address, then I can remove > the person by hand afterwards. (And I'd do this if a person starts > spamming). > > I think it is hard (if not impossible) for me to check in advance if a > request is from a legitimate user or a possible spammer. > > Henk I suppose a fair question is if the blml system could perform an automatic verification that the poster in fact exists as a registered subscriber and automatically discard submissions from non-registered posters? A separate question is of course whether such a function is desirable? Regards Sven From asa.nordin at artlore.net Sun Jul 24 17:14:20 2005 From: asa.nordin at artlore.net (Sharice) Date: Sun Jul 24 17:18:35 2005 Subject: [blml] Don't expose your intimate life! Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050724/fe7bfc42/attachment.html From nospamfilius at lundhansen.dk Sun Jul 24 19:08:41 2005 From: nospamfilius at lundhansen.dk (Bertel Lund Hansen) Date: Sun Jul 24 19:09:54 2005 Subject: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050724154817.04f71008@localhost> References: <000101c584b6$93b95c40$6400a8c0@WINXP> <95i9d158lu0eumpg6rf54mc2b7ucb7tdrl@mail.stofanet.dk> <6.2.1.2.2.20050724154817.04f71008@localhost> Message-ID: Henk Uijterwaal skrev: >I think it is hard (if not impossible) for me to check in advance if a >request is from a legitimate user or a possible spammer. My thought was that you should check the first posting to the discussion from a new member (the posting would not be distributed until approved). If it is about bridge, the poster gets the final okay. If it is about viagra, he does not. I do not know if it is possible to set up such a system, but if new participant do not roll in in hundreds, the workload should be manageable since the spammer messages would just be deleted by you. -- Bertel http://bertel.lundhansen.dk/ FIDUSO: http://fiduso.dk/ From jwiatrak1 at nc.rr.com Sun Jul 24 17:13:23 2005 From: jwiatrak1 at nc.rr.com (Joann Wiatrak) Date: Sun Jul 24 20:16:04 2005 Subject: [blml] UNSUBSCRIBE Message-ID: <003d01c59062$3c1856f0$0300a8c0@joann> UNSUBSCRIBE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050724/55db1743/attachment.html From henk at ripe.net Sun Jul 24 20:33:29 2005 From: henk at ripe.net (Henk Uijterwaal) Date: Sun Jul 24 20:35:37 2005 Subject: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? In-Reply-To: <000601c59060$fcf8a160$6400a8c0@WINXP> References: <6.2.1.2.2.20050724154817.04f71008@localhost> <000601c59060$fcf8a160$6400a8c0@WINXP> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050724203103.04f74360@localhost> > >I suppose a fair question is if the blml system could perform an automatic >verification that the poster in fact exists as a registered subscriber and >automatically discard submissions from non-registered posters? > >A separate question is of course whether such a function is desirable? This is what happens right now: a posting from somebody who is not a subscriber is put in the moderator's queue and has to be approved by me. I only approve mails somehow related to the game of bridge. Henk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Look here junior, don't you be so happy. And for Heaven's sake, don't you be so sad. (Tom Verlaine) From henk at ripe.net Sun Jul 24 20:45:28 2005 From: henk at ripe.net (Henk Uijterwaal) Date: Sun Jul 24 20:47:39 2005 Subject: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? In-Reply-To: References: <000101c584b6$93b95c40$6400a8c0@WINXP> <95i9d158lu0eumpg6rf54mc2b7ucb7tdrl@mail.stofanet.dk> <6.2.1.2.2.20050724154817.04f71008@localhost> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050724203350.02d87ad8@localhost> At 19:08 24/07/2005, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote: >Henk Uijterwaal skrev: > > >I think it is hard (if not impossible) for me to check in advance if a > >request is from a legitimate user or a possible spammer. > >My thought was that you should check the first posting to the >discussion from a new member (the posting would not be >distributed until approved). If it is about bridge, the poster >gets the final okay. If it is about viagra, he does not. > >I do not know if it is possible to set up such a system, but if >new participant do not roll in in hundreds, the workload should >be manageable since the spammer messages would just be deleted by >you. Probably. Well, it is software, so I guess I could patch the perl code. I'm not sure if it useful though as I have never seen spammers trying to subscribe themselves to the list before posting. In fact, it would force them to enter a valid email address and thus reveal their identity. That is the last thing they want to do. The subscription process sends a mail to address that has just been subscribed with a magic string in it. The new member has to return that string. If a spammer tries to put a fake address on the list (fake@spam.com), the confirmation mail will be sent there. That mail never arrives because fake@spam.com does not exist, or it ends up in somebody elses mailbox. This person will (most likely) ignore the mail. If a spammer enters his real addres (evil@spam.com), he can confirm the subscription but then I know his email address. Henk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Look here junior, don't you be so happy. And for Heaven's sake, don't you be so sad. (Tom Verlaine) From svenpran at online.no Sun Jul 24 21:28:41 2005 From: svenpran at online.no (Sven Pran) Date: Sun Jul 24 21:30:48 2005 Subject: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050724203103.04f74360@localhost> Message-ID: <000701c59085$e671e080$6400a8c0@WINXP> > On Behalf Of Henk Uijterwaal .......... > >I suppose a fair question is if the blml system could > >perform an automatic verification that the poster in > >fact exists as a registered subscriber and automatically > >discard submissions from non-registered posters? > > > >A separate question is of course whether such a function > >is desirable? > > This is what happens right now: a posting from somebody who > is not a subscriber is put in the moderator's queue and has > to be approved by me. I only approve mails somehow related > to the game of bridge. > > Henk Sounds fine, but then there is something I simply do not understand: Go to the blml archive files and look at what has been recently processed. There is an enormous amount of messages that I cannot in my wildest imagination believe have been posted by registered participants on blml? 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If there is any >NORMAL play, not ANY normal play, by which the setting trick in this >deal could not be lost, then the acquiescence is voided. Why they >didn't specify "all normal plays" or "a normal play" to remove the >ambiguity of the word "any" is a mystery. After reading Marv's missive I agreed that this law seems ambiguous. Accordingly I brought the case up at Friday's meeting of the ACBL LC. Chip Martel suggested that the phrase "any normal play of the remaining cards" was intended to apply to the side who wish to withdraw their acquiescence. As evidence he offered the footnote: "For the purposes of Laws 69, 70, and 71, 'normal' includes play that would be careless or inferior for the class of player involved, but not irrational." That made sense to me. 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That makes no sense to me - cannot the >NA also gather facts, if it deems that necessary? If not, the process >is flawed. Hell, it's flawed anyway, since there seems no way to >ensure that "all relevant facts" are gathered at all. Richard Hills: Many National Authorities have a policy of refusing to overturn an Appeals Committee ruling unless the AC has perpetrated an error in Law (or an error in logic). Ergo, an NA with that policy never deems it necessary to reassess an AC's gathering of facts. >From a practical point of view, that policy makes sense; an on-the- spot contemporaneous investigation by an AC is more likely to get the facts right than an off-the-spot archaeological investigation by an NA. Plus this policy has a secondary advantage of limiting the amount of time wasted by vexatious litigants. 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In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050724203103.04f74360@localhost> Message-ID: <200507250237.j6P2bIL4024846@ms-smtp-04-eri0.southeast.rr.com> This is an interesting comment because all my messages are held for about 2 days or so waiting for the administrator's approval and I have been a member for many years. Don't post much anymore as most of my replies are held so I have become just a lurker! Nancy -----Original Message----- From: blml-bounces@amsterdamned.org [mailto:blml-bounces@amsterdamned.org] On Behalf Of Henk Uijterwaal Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 2:33 PM To: Sven Pran; blml Subject: RE: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? > >I suppose a fair question is if the blml system could perform an >automatic verification that the poster in fact exists as a registered >subscriber and automatically discard submissions from non-registered posters? > >A separate question is of course whether such a function is desirable? This is what happens right now: a posting from somebody who is not a subscriber is put in the moderator's queue and has to be approved by me. I only approve mails somehow related to the game of bridge. Henk ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Look here junior, don't you be so happy. And for Heaven's sake, don't you be so sad. 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Anne http://www.baa-lamb.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy T Dressing" To: "'Henk Uijterwaal'" ; "'Sven Pran'" ; "'blml'" Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 3:39 AM Subject: RE: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? > This is an interesting comment because all my messages are held for about > 2 > days or so waiting for the administrator's approval and I have been a > member > for many years. Don't post much anymore as most of my replies are held so > I > have become just a lurker! > > Nancy > > -----Original Message----- > From: blml-bounces@amsterdamned.org [mailto:blml-bounces@amsterdamned.org] > On Behalf Of Henk Uijterwaal > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 2:33 PM > To: Sven Pran; blml > Subject: RE: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? > > >> >>I suppose a fair question is if the blml system could perform an >>automatic verification that the poster in fact exists as a registered >>subscriber and automatically discard submissions from non-registered > posters? >> >>A separate question is of course whether such a function is desirable? > > This is what happens right now: a posting from somebody who is not a > subscriber is put in the moderator's queue and has to be approved by me. > I > only approve mails somehow related to the game of bridge. > > Henk > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Henk Uijterwaal Email: > henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net > RIPE Network Coordination Centre > http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk > P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 > 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 > The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > Look here junior, don't you be so happy. > And for Heaven's sake, don't you be so sad. 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Roger Pewick: >Do players show up to win a $10 prize for a session of good >etiquette? I doubt that any such enterprise would last long >unless it had unlimited funding which could be used only for >that purpose - it is hard to imagine players showing up for >such a game unless it would put enough cash in their pocket for >their time. [snip] >It is almost always possible to decide a single winner. The >appeal derives from human conflict [without fear of bodily >injury] and it is bridge that is a special kind of conflict [snip] Richard Hills: It is true that a minority of bridge players, such as myself, play bridge "for blood", and make a serious effort to win. But the vast majority of bridge players at local clubs play bridge "for fun". They enjoy the game for its own sake without much hope for regular victories. And for the vast majority of bridge players, rudeness at the bridge table reduces their fun. 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I have been advised by a respected ACBL blmler (and sometime ACBL appeals committee member) that because the relevant Law is so obscure, several ACBL appeals committees were unaware of its existence, thus causing some of their rulings to be flawed. Beware of the leopard! :-( Best wishes Richard Hills Movie grognard and paronomasiac From moskowitz at yahoo.com Mon Jul 25 09:35:48 2005 From: moskowitz at yahoo.com (Fishbein) Date: Mon Jul 25 09:35:49 2005 Subject: [blml] All love enhancers on one portal! Message-ID: <002b01c54b50$10e49590$de01a8c0@wlnfnf> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050725/7decb3da/attachment-0004.html From moskowitz at yahoo.com Mon Jul 25 09:35:48 2005 From: moskowitz at yahoo.com (Farber) Date: Mon Jul 25 09:35:53 2005 Subject: [blml] Primary source of OEM Adobe, Windows software Look no further ! Message-ID: <002b01c54b50$10e49590$de01a8c0@jdkwd7ssa> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050725/993f86db/attachment-0004.html From moskowitz at yahoo.com Mon Jul 25 09:35:49 2005 From: moskowitz at yahoo.com (Ellis) Date: Mon Jul 25 09:35:57 2005 Subject: [blml] Any med for your girl to be happy! Message-ID: <002b01c54b50$10e49590$de01a8c0@mmwedw> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050725/a6980a95/attachment-0004.html From henk at ripe.net Mon Jul 25 07:57:15 2005 From: henk at ripe.net (Henk Uijterwaal) Date: Mon Jul 25 10:08:00 2005 Subject: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? In-Reply-To: <001501c590c9$ddcea1e0$b4300952@AnnesComputer> References: <200507250237.j6P2bIL4024846@ms-smtp-04-eri0.southeast.rr.com> <001501c590c9$ddcea1e0$b4300952@AnnesComputer> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050725073607.02c46e60@localhost> At 05:35 25/07/2005, Anne Jones wrote: >I agree with you Nancy - I don't know what is happening but its not as >good as when the Marcus system opperated. Is it fundamentally different? Yes, the software is now mailman, not majordomo. The biggest difference is that mailman supports spam filtering and majordomo does not. Even though not perfect, the mailman filters do catch loads of spam each day, so don't ask me to switch back. There are other technical differences plus a practical one: the people running the machine with the mailinglist offer only mailman as an option. >>This is an interesting comment because all my messages are held for about 2 >>days or so waiting for the administrator's approval and I have been a member >>for many years. Don't post much anymore as most of my replies are held so I >>have become just a lurker! First of all, I check the moderator's queue once a day, so the average time between arrival of a mail in the moderator's queue and approval is about half a day. (And yes, it was a lot more in the last 2 weeks, as I was completely offline). Then, there is a fundamental problem: spam is detected by a computer, not a human. The computer will not always get it right. Things that make it go wrong are: * Posting in HTML instead of plain text. Some buggy microsoft software does this by default, switch it off. * The blml@rtflb.org address is not in the "To:" or "CC:" fields. * Too many "cc:"'s. * The "From:" address in your mail is not the one that you subscribed with. (Some providers give you an address like "xyz123@x.com", then allow you to create an alias john_smith@x.com. If you subscribed with the latter, but your mailer puts the former in the from field, postings are stopped. The same happens with people using multiple accounts. Yes, I can change this behavior. No, I'm not going to do this as ON AVERAGE these rules reject far more spam than they block legitimate postings. If your mail is ever stopped by one of these rules and you think your comments are urgent, start a blank new mail, enter your comments as plain text and send it to the list. If your comments are not urgent, just wait, if the mail is about bridge, the message will appear. Henk ps. and I will check why Sven's examples made it through the list. But not today. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Look here junior, don't you be so happy. And for Heaven's sake, don't you be so sad. (Tom Verlaine) From stamped at agold.net Mon Jul 25 10:59:41 2005 From: stamped at agold.net (Enoch) Date: Mon Jul 25 11:01:55 2005 Subject: [blml] OEM Software Message-ID: <5637214439.5279732410@YahooBB218131248024.bbtec.net> Microsoft Digital Image Suite Pro v10.0 - $19.95 http://clamp.useid.com/ >From the still-vexed Bermoothes. There is always more spirit in attack than in defence. For authentic living what is needed is the resolute confrontation of death. 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URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050725/7decb3da/attachment-0007.html From harper at yahoo.com Mon Jul 25 12:16:28 2005 From: harper at yahoo.com (Gottlieb) Date: Mon Jul 25 12:16:28 2005 Subject: [blml] Apply 70% discounts on Windows Software Message-ID: <002b01c54b50$10e49590$de01a8c0@jdkwd7ssa> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050725/993f86db/attachment-0007.html From harper at yahoo.com Mon Jul 25 12:16:57 2005 From: harper at yahoo.com (Feldman) Date: Mon Jul 25 12:16:57 2005 Subject: [blml] She wants a better sex? All you need's here! Message-ID: <002b01c54b50$10e49590$de01a8c0@mmwedw> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050725/a6980a95/attachment-0007.html From nospamfilius at lundhansen.dk Mon Jul 25 13:16:43 2005 From: nospamfilius at lundhansen.dk (Bertel Lund Hansen) Date: Mon Jul 25 13:17:57 2005 Subject: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050724203350.02d87ad8@localhost> References: <000101c584b6$93b95c40$6400a8c0@WINXP> <95i9d158lu0eumpg6rf54mc2b7ucb7tdrl@mail.stofanet.dk> <6.2.1.2.2.20050724154817.04f71008@localhost> <6.2.1.2.2.20050724203350.02d87ad8@localhost> Message-ID: <8ai9e11rgej3ilkcu8lb9vh0ttrg6b3m2d@mail.stofanet.dk> Henk Uijterwaal skrev: >I'm not sure if it useful though as I have never seen spammers trying >to subscribe themselves to the list before posting. Then I don't understand that any mail from them gets through at all. Why is the system not set up in such a way that only members can post? I know that it will put a limitation on us users (we have to use the same sender address all the time), but that is a small price to pay. -- Bertel http://bertel.lundhansen.dk/ FIDUSO: http://fiduso.dk/ From shapiro at yahoo.com Mon Jul 25 15:20:18 2005 From: shapiro at yahoo.com (Feldman) Date: Mon Jul 25 15:20:19 2005 Subject: [blml] All love enhancers on one portal! Message-ID: <002b01c54b50$10e49590$de01a8c0@wlnfnf> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050725/7decb3da/attachment-0008.html From shapiro at yahoo.com Mon Jul 25 15:20:21 2005 From: shapiro at yahoo.com (Heck) Date: Mon Jul 25 15:20:22 2005 Subject: [blml] We offer a variety of different licenses and discounts that can help you get the most out of its software budget Message-ID: <002b01c54b50$10e49590$de01a8c0@jdkwd7ssa> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050725/993f86db/attachment-0008.html From shapiro at yahoo.com Mon Jul 25 15:20:24 2005 From: shapiro at yahoo.com (Hohenemser) Date: Mon Jul 25 15:20:26 2005 Subject: [blml] She wants a better sex? All you need's here! Message-ID: <002b01c54b50$10e49590$de01a8c0@mmwedw> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050725/a6980a95/attachment-0008.html From jimfox99 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 25 16:59:45 2005 From: jimfox99 at hotmail.com (Jim Fox) Date: Mon Jul 25 17:04:13 2005 Subject: [blml] London terror attack 7.7.05. References: <000201c58732$63901a30$7fa6403e@Mildred> <012e01c58fa6$22ced2d0$6601a8c0@XOTIC> Message-ID: Maybe we should give them our country just to make sure that we have no terrorist attacks. Interesting theory? Mmbridge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Trent" To: "blml" Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [blml] London terror attack 7.7.05. I had always wondered why the tube or the Metro had never been attacked -- they would both be targets that could create a great deal of havoc. We attend a speaker series and heard a man (I can't remember his name atm but he is THE expert on terrorism from that part of the world). He told us something very interesting and scary when he answered my question -- He says we have more to fear than ever in the US because European countries are starting to contain Al Qada cells so by definition become safer to the general population. His bet is Great Britain may not have any cells. There are no known cells in US either. But, almost every other European country has them which in a twisted way keeps them safe. I found this to be quite an interesting theory. Linda _______________________________________________ blml mailing list blml@amsterdamned.org http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml From adam at irvine.com Mon Jul 25 17:41:59 2005 From: adam at irvine.com (Adam Beneschan) Date: Mon Jul 25 17:44:06 2005 Subject: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:47:27 +0200." <6.2.1.2.2.20050724154249.02d8fc38@localhost> Message-ID: <200507251541.IAA31158@mailhub.irvine.com> Henk wrote: > Sven, others, > > Sorry for the slow reply, but I was offline for 3 weeks. > > >I have previously had the impression that there was some sort of spam > >filtering on blml but now I do wonder? > > There still is. However, spammers constantly try to compose messages that > pass the filters and it appears that they have found the trick. I'll > ask our sysadmins to upgrade the filters. I just went through all my mail for the weekend, and there are two messages from BLML that have subject lines that refer to a certain impotence drug that begins with V. And they didn't even bother to misspell the word (by changing the "i" to a 1, or the "a" to a @, etc.). Sorry, but my feeling is that any filter that lets such messages through isn't much of a filter. More like a colander, perhaps. I understand that the filter may be filtering out much more than it lets through---we here can't see the messages that get filtered out. Still, things like this make the software look pretty ineffective. (The spam filter I use at work does automatically throw out all messages containing the V-word unless the source is on a whitelist. However, any mail from BLML is considered to be on the whitelist, which is why I'm seeing the messages I'm referring to.) -- Adam From johnson at CCRS.NRCan.gc.ca Mon Jul 25 18:15:32 2005 From: johnson at CCRS.NRCan.gc.ca (Ron Johnson) Date: Mon Jul 25 18:17:43 2005 Subject: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? In-Reply-To: <200507251541.IAA31158@mailhub.irvine.com> from "Adam Beneschan" at Jul 25, 2005 08:41:59 AM Message-ID: <200507251615.j6PGFWMf010692@athena.ccrs.nrcan.gc.ca> Adam Beneschan writes: > > > Henk wrote: > > > Sven, others, > > > > Sorry for the slow reply, but I was offline for 3 weeks. > > > > >I have previously had the impression that there was some sort of spam > > >filtering on blml but now I do wonder? > > > > There still is. However, spammers constantly try to compose messages that > > pass the filters and it appears that they have found the trick. I'll > > ask our sysadmins to upgrade the filters. Henk perhaps I'm misreading the headers, but it looks to me like the list is not currently being scanned. EG X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on toybox.amsterdamned.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false > > I just went through all my mail for the weekend, and there are two > messages from BLML that have subject lines that refer to a certain > impotence drug that begins with V. And they didn't even bother to > misspell the word (by changing the "i" to a 1, or the "a" to a @, > etc.). Curiously, obfuscation is a far more reliable indication of spam. The V word itself has made it into the lexicon. As to why no simple rule, V word and you're out, well tests run on a huge body of mail collected for testing purposes indicates an unacceptable level of false positives. Most people (and I'm one of them) who administer mail are very wary of false positives. > Sorry, but my feeling is that any filter that lets such messages > through isn't much of a filter. More like a colander, perhaps. I > understand that the filter may be filtering out much more than it lets > through---we here can't see the messages that get filtered out. I can tell you that from my own experience the success rate of the software they're using (SpamAssassin) stays broadly constant over time -- provided the admins take the time to keep it up to date. (SpamAssassin is in a sense a victim of its own success. It's sufficiently widely deployed that it makes sense for a serious spammer to install it and test his message against it) However more and more gets through because continual increases in the amount of spam being sent. > Still, things like this make the software look pretty ineffective. > > (The spam filter I use at work does automatically throw out all > messages containing the V-word unless the source is on a whitelist. > However, any mail from BLML is considered to be on the whitelist, > which is why I'm seeing the messages I'm referring to.) From adam at irvine.com Mon Jul 25 18:41:53 2005 From: adam at irvine.com (Adam Beneschan) Date: Mon Jul 25 18:43:59 2005 Subject: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:15:32 EDT." <200507251615.j6PGFWMf010692@athena.ccrs.nrcan.gc.ca> Message-ID: <200507251641.JAA31586@mailhub.irvine.com> Ron Johnson wrote: > > I just went through all my mail for the weekend, and there are two > > messages from BLML that have subject lines that refer to a certain > > impotence drug that begins with V. And they didn't even bother to > > misspell the word (by changing the "i" to a 1, or the "a" to a @, > > etc.). > > Curiously, obfuscation is a far more reliable indication of spam. > The V word itself has made it into the lexicon. > > As to why no simple rule, V word and you're out, well tests run > on a huge body of mail collected for testing purposes indicates > an unacceptable level of false positives. Most people (and I'm > one of them) who administer mail are very wary of false positives. However, I'd say that the chance of any post to BLML that has the V word in the subject line, and that comes from a poster who hasn't subscribed or posted to the list previously, being a legitimate post is somewhere between 0 and the mass of an electron in kilograms. Of course, the same wouldn't be true of a Men's Health mailing list. However, maybe this is an argument that filters should be more customizable. The administrators of a Men's Health mailing list probably wouldn't need to worry too much about posts with "OEM Software" or "Adobe Photoshop" in the subject line being false positives. This is all more or less theoretical---I don't know whether SpamAssassin is capable of this, and I'm not suggesting that BLML admins change their filter if it isn't. It's just musing. But it just doesn't look very good that a spammer can blatantly compose a message with a subject line "Avoid fake v****a get the real thing" and have it get the spam filters' seal of approval. (Of course, if the filters were actually disabled, that would explain a lot.) -- Adam From hermandw at hdw.be Mon Jul 25 20:12:19 2005 From: hermandw at hdw.be (Herman De Wael) Date: Mon Jul 25 20:12:38 2005 Subject: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? In-Reply-To: <200507251641.JAA31586@mailhub.irvine.com> References: <200507251641.JAA31586@mailhub.irvine.com> Message-ID: <42E52B83.5020801@hdw.be> This is the first message in this thread (I think) that my s*** filter put in my j**k directory. Adam Beneschan wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: -- Herman DE WAEL Antwerpen Belgium http://www.hdw.be From johnson at CCRS.NRCan.gc.ca Mon Jul 25 20:26:19 2005 From: johnson at CCRS.NRCan.gc.ca (Ron Johnson) Date: Mon Jul 25 20:28:26 2005 Subject: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? In-Reply-To: <200507251641.JAA31586@mailhub.irvine.com> from "Adam Beneschan" at Jul 25, 2005 09:41:53 AM Message-ID: <200507251826.j6PIQJHf011486@athena.ccrs.nrcan.gc.ca> Adam Beneschan writes: > > > Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > I just went through all my mail for the weekend, and there are two > > > messages from BLML that have subject lines that refer to a certain > > > impotence drug that begins with V. And they didn't even bother to > > > misspell the word (by changing the "i" to a 1, or the "a" to a @, > > > etc.). > > > > Curiously, obfuscation is a far more reliable indication of spam. > > The V word itself has made it into the lexicon. > > > > As to why no simple rule, V word and you're out, well tests run > > on a huge body of mail collected for testing purposes indicates > > an unacceptable level of false positives. Most people (and I'm > > one of them) who administer mail are very wary of false positives. > > However, I'd say that the chance of any post to BLML that has the V > word in the subject line, and that comes from a poster who hasn't > subscribed or posted to the list previously, being a legitimate post > is somewhere between 0 and the mass of an electron in kilograms. > > Of course, the same wouldn't be true of a Men's Health mailing list. > However, maybe this is an argument that filters should be more > customizable. The administrators of a Men's Health mailing list > probably wouldn't need to worry too much about posts with "OEM > Software" or "Adobe Photoshop" in the subject line being false > positives. > > This is all more or less theoretical---I don't know whether > SpamAssassin is capable of this, It is and it's easy. In less than a minute I could gin up something that would mark as spam anything that had the V word in the subject and was sent to blml. Here's one of two rules I have against Rolex in the subject line: header UOLCC_ROLEX_SUB2 Subject =~ /\br.{1,2}o.{1,2}l.{1,2}e.{1,2}x\b/i describe UOLCC_ROLEX_SUB2 Subject contains a gappy version of the evil r word score UOLCC_ROLEX_SUB2 1.5 (nicked from a contributer to the spamassassin list) And it wouldn't be any particular problem to extend this to look for obvious obfuscations (There's already a ruleset that looks for obfuscation of the V word in the body) Still, we're uniformly aware that keyword search is risky. To see why, consider that many people can't get a message containing the phrase "The pen is mightier than the sword" (Because any keyword search has to deal with randomly spaced version of the keyword. Humans have no real problem reading V w 0 r D as vword). The BBC ran into huge problems with their keyword based filtering strategy. (Just think about how many places have embedded forbidden words. Scunthorpe being one that tripped up the BBC's filters) For that matter I recall years ago that RGB fell afoul of some simple-minded keyword based filtering. > and I'm not suggesting that BLML > admins change their filter if it isn't. It's just musing. But it > just doesn't look very good that a spammer can blatantly compose a > message with a subject line "Avoid fake v****a get the real thing" and > have it get the spam filters' seal of approval. (Of course, if the > filters were actually disabled, that would explain a lot.) > From adam at irvine.com Mon Jul 25 20:54:18 2005 From: adam at irvine.com (Adam Beneschan) Date: Mon Jul 25 20:56:23 2005 Subject: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:26:19 EDT." <200507251826.j6PIQJHf011486@athena.ccrs.nrcan.gc.ca> Message-ID: <200507251854.LAA32397@mailhub.irvine.com> Ron Johnson wrote: > It is and it's easy. In less than a minute I could gin up > something that would mark as spam anything that had the > V word in the subject and was sent to blml. > > Here's one of two rules I have against Rolex in the subject > line: > > header UOLCC_ROLEX_SUB2 Subject =~ /\br.{1,2}o.{1,2}l.{1,2}e.{1,2}x\b/i > describe UOLCC_ROLEX_SUB2 Subject contains a gappy version of the evil r word > score UOLCC_ROLEX_SUB2 1.5 > > (nicked from a contributer to the spamassassin list) > > And it wouldn't be any particular problem to extend this to look for obvious > obfuscations (There's already a ruleset that looks for obfuscation of the V > word in the body) > > Still, we're uniformly aware that keyword search is risky. > > To see why, consider that many people can't get a message containing > the phrase "The pen is mightier than the sword" Ah, memories... This was used a long time ago as an example of why it's necessary for a compiler to allow underscores in identifiers. The Pascal language didn't (except that some compilers added this capability on their own), and some graphics software written in Pascal had a couple flags with names that would have been "Go_On" and "Pen_Is_Down" if underscores had been allowed. (Plus, to make things worse, the style of this software's writers was to use only upper-case.) Yeah, there are problems. The filter I use is custom-built (i.e. I hacked it in Perl) and has a long list of character sequences and regular expressions that get rejected. Generally, the filter doesn't consider embedded spaces (but if they show up a lot in a particular pharmaceutical name, I can always add a regular expression to catch them), and in cases of short words, I use a regular expression that makes sure the word is by itself and not embedded within a larger word. But I doubt that this setup, which is completely suitable for our tiny corporation, would be useful everywhere else or even anywhere else. I'm just hoping it won't be too long before we have some sort of Sender ID or something to prevent forged e-mail addresses, so that we force spammers to use their real addresses, so that we know whose house to congregate outside of with our torches. :) At least for a month or two until the b*****ds figure out a way to get around it. :( -- Adam From disallowing at novvia.com Mon Jul 25 20:05:11 2005 From: disallowing at novvia.com (Gilbert) Date: Mon Jul 25 22:07:34 2005 Subject: [blml] Save 80% Over the Brandnames like Viagra, Cialis and Propecia Message-ID: <1138697935.973594241@dialup-ts-1.maculusso.nexus.ao> Get Brand name drugs at wholesale pricing, next day shipping right to your door step. http://Kodiak.val10.com/pharmacy/lib/ My purpose in life does not include a hankering to charm society. It's a dangerous business going out your front door. The key to immortality is first to live a life worth remembering. By perseverance the snail reached the ark. From Anglican at butterworth.tc Mon Jul 25 20:05:49 2005 From: Anglican at butterworth.tc (Bel) Date: Mon Jul 25 22:08:14 2005 Subject: [blml] Cialis allows men to enjoy a fully normal sex life without having to plan the sexual act. Message-ID: <3598147460.6195461040@dialup-ts-1.maculusso.nexus.ao> You need only 15 minutes to prepare for the night of love. http://borderland.ownl.com/pharmacy/lib/ These are the times that try men's souls. The best cure for Christianity is reading the Bible. Time does not change us. It just unfolds us. A word to the wise is infuriating. From richard.hills at immi.gov.au Tue Jul 26 01:26:09 2005 From: richard.hills at immi.gov.au (richard.hills@immi.gov.au) Date: Tue Jul 26 01:28:23 2005 Subject: [blml] Old-fashioned Standard American In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The July issue of the ABF Newsletter appeared at the Canberra Bridge Club last night. In it was a Letter to the Editors by Diane Brooks, who wrote: >I wish to ask the ABF to clarify the >Federation's stance on psyche bidding. > >The action of a psyche bid is to take away the >natural bid of an opponent. It changes the >results and affects the outcome of scores on >the whole field. > >It is recommended to call the director (after a >psyche) - yet nothing is done. So why bother? > >There are laws that deal with inadvertent bids >- yet not against psychic bids. The >inadvertent bid is mainly through lack of >concentration, yet the psycher deliberately >sets a bid in motion which throws natural bids >out the window. In my opinion, a form of bad >play. > >Bridge is a gentleman's game. The word "cheat" >doesn't get mentioned in the Law book, only >unethical. > >If a bid is made by the opponent and the >explanation is incorrect and a player is >disadvantaged by the opponent's action, then >there is redress. I believe the same should >hold on psychic bids. > >Active ethics are encouraged but you can still >get a slap on the wrist when using active >ethics! > >It's time the ABF outlawed psyches and put the >_sportsmanship_ back into bridge. Coincidentally, this auction occurred last night at the Canberra Bridge Club. East-West were playing old-fashioned Standard American. Matchpoint pairs Dlr: North Vul: All The bidding has gone: WEST NORTH EAST SOUTH --- Pass 1C 1H 1S Pass Pass ? You, South, hold: J84 KQJ9632 A76 --- What call do you make? What other calls do you consider making? Best wishes Richard Hills Movie grognard and paronomasiac From anne.jones1 at ntlworld.com Tue Jul 26 03:43:53 2005 From: anne.jones1 at ntlworld.com (Anne Jones) Date: Tue Jul 26 03:46:19 2005 Subject: [blml] Old-fashioned Standard American References: Message-ID: <000701c59183$7c25ea10$b4300952@AnnesComputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 12:26 AM Subject: [blml] Old-fashioned Standard American > > > > > The July issue of the ABF Newsletter appeared at > the Canberra Bridge Club last night. In it was > a Letter to the Editors by Diane Brooks, who > wrote: > >>I wish to ask the ABF to clarify the >>Federation's stance on psyche bidding. >> >>The action of a psyche bid is to take away the >>natural bid of an opponent. It changes the >>results and affects the outcome of scores on >>the whole field. >> >>It is recommended to call the director (after a >>psyche) - yet nothing is done. So why bother? >> >>There are laws that deal with inadvertent bids >>- yet not against psychic bids. The >>inadvertent bid is mainly through lack of >>concentration, yet the psycher deliberately >>sets a bid in motion which throws natural bids >>out the window. In my opinion, a form of bad >>play. >> >>Bridge is a gentleman's game. The word "cheat" >>doesn't get mentioned in the Law book, only >>unethical. >> >>If a bid is made by the opponent and the >>explanation is incorrect and a player is >>disadvantaged by the opponent's action, then >>there is redress. I believe the same should >>hold on psychic bids. >> >>Active ethics are encouraged but you can still >>get a slap on the wrist when using active >>ethics! >> >>It's time the ABF outlawed psyches and put the >>_sportsmanship_ back into bridge. > > Coincidentally, this auction occurred last night > at the Canberra Bridge Club. East-West were > playing old-fashioned Standard American. > > Matchpoint pairs > Dlr: North > Vul: All > > The bidding has gone: > > WEST NORTH EAST SOUTH > --- Pass 1C 1H > 1S Pass Pass ? > > You, South, hold: > > J84 > KQJ9632 > A76 > --- > > What call do you make? > What other calls do you consider making? > > Best wishes > > Richard Hills > Movie grognard and paronomasiac > I bid 2H and don't consider bidding anything else. Others may double but if I considerd this I would choose against it. I am one who advoacates that the laws about psyches should remain. Psyches are legal and should remain so. You might as well say mistakes are not allowed. How can a TD rule when a player genuinely makes a mistake, or a novice gets it wrong, if there isn't an allowance in Law for this to be a partnership understanding. Anne http://www.baa-lamb.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > blml mailing list > blml@amsterdamned.org > http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > From adam at irvine.com Tue Jul 26 03:53:21 2005 From: adam at irvine.com (Adam Beneschan) Date: Tue Jul 26 03:55:25 2005 Subject: [blml] Old-fashioned Standard American In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:26:09 +1000." Message-ID: <200507260153.SAA02791@mailhub.irvine.com> Richard wrote: > Coincidentally, this auction occurred last night > at the Canberra Bridge Club. East-West were > playing old-fashioned Standard American. > > Matchpoint pairs > Dlr: North > Vul: All > > The bidding has gone: > > WEST NORTH EAST SOUTH > --- Pass 1C 1H > 1S Pass Pass ? > > You, South, hold: > > J84 > KQJ9632 > A76 > --- > > What call do you make? 3H or 4H on the previous round. :) -- Adam From grabiner at alumni.princeton.edu Tue Jul 26 04:02:57 2005 From: grabiner at alumni.princeton.edu (David J. Grabiner) Date: Tue Jul 26 04:06:44 2005 Subject: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? In-Reply-To: <200507251826.j6PIQJHf011486@athena.ccrs.nrcan.gc.ca> References: <200507251641.JAA31586@mailhub.irvine.com> <200507251826.j6PIQJHf011486@athena.ccrs.nrcan.gc.ca> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050725215552.03453e20@mail.comcast.net> At 02:26 PM 7/25/2005, Ron Johnson wrote: >Adam Beneschan writes: > >It is and it's easy. In less than a minute I could gin up >something that would mark as spam anything that had the >V word in the subject and was sent to blml. > >Here's one of two rules I have against Rolex in the subject >line: > >header UOLCC_ROLEX_SUB2 Subject =~ /\br.{1,2}o.{1,2}l.{1,2}e.{1,2}x\b/i >describe UOLCC_ROLEX_SUB2 Subject contains a gappy version of the evil >r word >score UOLCC_ROLEX_SUB2 1.5 > >(nicked from a contributer to the spamassassin list) > >And it wouldn't be any particular problem to extend this to look for obvious >obfuscations (There's already a ruleset that looks for obfuscation of the V >word in the body) > >Still, we're uniformly aware that keyword search is risky. It's probably more useful on the other side. Any article which contains words like "spade", "dummy", "endplay", "pass", "revoke", "TD", "UI", probably belongs on BLML, as these words are very rare in spam. Any article which does not contain a few bridge-related words should be suspicious. (I believe SpamAssassin uses Bayesian filtering to handle this; if "declarer" appears in 1000 non-spam messages and one spam, then a message with "declarer" in it is likely to be passed.) I don't know how serious the spam problem actually is, though. My mail goes through two spam filters before it reaches me, because grabiner@alumni.princeton.edu is forwarded to my real address, and both addresses are filtered. I get only a few spams on BLML. From richard.hills at immi.gov.au Tue Jul 26 04:23:27 2005 From: richard.hills at immi.gov.au (richard.hills@immi.gov.au) Date: Tue Jul 26 04:25:40 2005 Subject: [blml] EBU 2003 casebook appeal number 6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ed Reppert: >Law 73A1 speaks of "communication", but that word has several >meanings - at least one of which requires the receiver to act >on the information communicated. It also says that *only* >communication via calls and plays is legal. Law 16, otoh, is >not so restrictive: it says that extraneous communication is >not itself an infraction - it may lead to one, but only if >the receiver of the information chooses a call or play that >could have been suggested by it. It seems to me that either > >(1) the intended meaning of "communication" in Law 73A1 >requires that the receiver of such information make use of it > >or > >(2) the laws are self-contradictory. > >Occam's Razor suggests that (1) is true. That being the >case, "creation of UI" is not an infraction of Law 73A1. Richard Hills: Occam's Razor is an inappropriate tool to test whether the Laws contain a self-contradiction; a simple logical analysis of the Laws is the appropriate tool. An example of the truth of (2) is an analysis of Law 62B1 and Law 62C1. Suppose declarer's RHO leads a card, then declarer revokes, then declarer's LHO also revokes. Before declarer calls for a card from dummy, declarer notices and corrects their revoke. Law 62C1 says that LHO's card is not a penalty card. Law 62B1 says that LHO's card is a penalty card. Ergo, (2) the laws are self-contradictory. :-) Best wishes Richard Hills Movie grognard and paronomasiac From Hegelian at kjolberg.com Tue Jul 26 07:47:01 2005 From: Hegelian at kjolberg.com (James) Date: Tue Jul 26 04:56:37 2005 Subject: [blml] Need software? Click here. Message-ID: <9628451488.110053114108@pool-68-237-229-143.ny325.east.verizon.net> Adobe+macromedia+OS etc all in CD under $99 http://ievgv.azepdra372sh7ta.jhlondonerin.info It's a shallow life that doesn't give a person a few scars. I just drank eighteen whiskies. That must be a record. From Islam at dunker.com Tue Jul 26 07:47:17 2005 From: Islam at dunker.com (Olivia) Date: Tue Jul 26 04:56:54 2005 Subject: [blml] You best friends and family deserve the BEST internet photo album! Message-ID: <25026119237.95037115389@pool-68-237-229-143.ny325.east.verizon.net> Get software cds and download under $15-$99 http://hjhv.ova3r5oh3y6d376.dbxenolithli.net Battles are won by iron hearts in wooden ships. When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. From craigstamps at comcast.net Tue Jul 26 04:55:35 2005 From: craigstamps at comcast.net (craig) Date: Tue Jul 26 04:57:42 2005 Subject: [blml] Old-fashioned Standard American References: <000701c59183$7c25ea10$b4300952@AnnesComputer> Message-ID: <001d01c5918d$7f746d40$a1255244@craigjkd4vrl7u> Is Diane Brooks a novice or an idiot? (Forced choice, no is not a logical alternative). Deceiving the opponents is as much a part of the game as a finesse. There is nothing unsportsmanlike or "ungentlemanly" about it (odd that a woman is concerned about THAT). Shall we ban preemptive bids and flase cards also? Actually I think the ABF allows a wide variety of strong club systems that take away other peoples natural bids. To deliberately misrepresent one's holding to one's opponents is an ancient and honourable intrinsic part of the game. I hope the ABF is not so foolish (as the ACBL too often is in the post-Oakie era) as to try to eliminate the fun of the game. As for the hand, why not 2H. Slight thought to 3H needing a swing and with a timid partner, but always actually bidding 2H. I thought about pass momentarily and almost lost my dinner. 4H would be better than that! Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Jones" To: Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [blml] Old-fashioned Standard American > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 12:26 AM > Subject: [blml] Old-fashioned Standard American > > >> >> >> >> >> The July issue of the ABF Newsletter appeared at >> the Canberra Bridge Club last night. In it was >> a Letter to the Editors by Diane Brooks, who >> wrote: >> >>>I wish to ask the ABF to clarify the >>>Federation's stance on psyche bidding. >>> >>>The action of a psyche bid is to take away the >>>natural bid of an opponent. It changes the >>>results and affects the outcome of scores on >>>the whole field. >>> >>>It is recommended to call the director (after a >>>psyche) - yet nothing is done. So why bother? >>> >>>There are laws that deal with inadvertent bids >>>- yet not against psychic bids. The >>>inadvertent bid is mainly through lack of >>>concentration, yet the psycher deliberately >>>sets a bid in motion which throws natural bids >>>out the window. In my opinion, a form of bad >>>play. >>> >>>Bridge is a gentleman's game. The word "cheat" >>>doesn't get mentioned in the Law book, only >>>unethical. >>> >>>If a bid is made by the opponent and the >>>explanation is incorrect and a player is >>>disadvantaged by the opponent's action, then >>>there is redress. I believe the same should >>>hold on psychic bids. >>> >>>Active ethics are encouraged but you can still >>>get a slap on the wrist when using active >>>ethics! >>> >>>It's time the ABF outlawed psyches and put the >>>_sportsmanship_ back into bridge. >> >> Coincidentally, this auction occurred last night >> at the Canberra Bridge Club. East-West were >> playing old-fashioned Standard American. >> >> Matchpoint pairs >> Dlr: North >> Vul: All >> >> The bidding has gone: >> >> WEST NORTH EAST SOUTH >> --- Pass 1C 1H >> 1S Pass Pass ? >> >> You, South, hold: >> >> J84 >> KQJ9632 >> A76 >> --- >> >> What call do you make? >> What other calls do you consider making? >> >> Best wishes >> >> Richard Hills >> Movie grognard and paronomasiac >> > I bid 2H and don't consider bidding anything else. > Others may double but if I considerd this I would choose against it. > > I am one who advoacates that the laws about psyches should remain. > Psyches are legal and should remain so. You might as well say mistakes are > not allowed. > How can a TD rule when a player genuinely makes a mistake, > or a novice gets it wrong, if there isn't an allowance in Law for this to > be a partnership understanding. > > Anne > http://www.baa-lamb.co.uk > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blml mailing list >> blml@amsterdamned.org >> http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml >> > > > _______________________________________________ > blml mailing list > blml@amsterdamned.org > http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > From ereppert at rochester.rr.com Tue Jul 26 06:01:14 2005 From: ereppert at rochester.rr.com (Ed Reppert) Date: Tue Jul 26 06:03:25 2005 Subject: [blml] EBU 2003 casebook appeal number 6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jul 25, 2005, at 10:23 PM, richard.hills@immi.gov.au wrote: > Law 62C1 says that LHO's card is not a penalty card. Law 62B1 > says that LHO's card is a penalty card. Ergo, (2) the laws > are self-contradictory. Hm. You have uncovered a flaw in my logic. :-) However, another flaw is this: that *some* laws contradict each other does not mean that Law 73A and Law 16 do. :-) From wayne.burrows at hotmail.com Tue Jul 26 08:20:27 2005 From: wayne.burrows at hotmail.com (Wayne Burrows) Date: Tue Jul 26 08:22:34 2005 Subject: [blml] You don't know your partnership agreement Message-ID: Vul vs Not 106 KQ862 87 A854 Pass 1NT 3S Pass ? You do not know your partnership agreement for a jump bid over 1NT. Your convention card says weak jump overcalls but you do not know if this applies over 1NT. You have not completely filled out your defense to 1NT and admit to being unsure of the meaning. What are your logical alternatives? Wayne _________________________________________________________________ Looking for love? Check out XtraMSN Personals http://xtramsn.match.com/match/mt.cfm?pg=channel&tcid=200731 From wayne.burrows at hotmail.com Tue Jul 26 08:25:27 2005 From: wayne.burrows at hotmail.com (Wayne Burrows) Date: Tue Jul 26 08:27:33 2005 Subject: [blml] Old-fashioned Standard American In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >From: richard.hills@immi.gov.au >To: blml@rtflb.org >Subject: [blml] Old-fashioned Standard American >Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:26:09 +1000 > > > > > >The July issue of the ABF Newsletter appeared at >the Canberra Bridge Club last night. In it was >a Letter to the Editors by Diane Brooks, who >wrote: > > >I wish to ask the ABF to clarify the > >Federation's stance on psyche bidding. > > > >The action of a psyche bid is to take away the > >natural bid of an opponent. It changes the > >results and affects the outcome of scores on > >the whole field. > > > >It is recommended to call the director (after a > >psyche) - yet nothing is done. So why bother? > > > >There are laws that deal with inadvertent bids > >- yet not against psychic bids. The > >inadvertent bid is mainly through lack of > >concentration, yet the psycher deliberately > >sets a bid in motion which throws natural bids > >out the window. In my opinion, a form of bad > >play. > > > >Bridge is a gentleman's game. The word "cheat" > >doesn't get mentioned in the Law book, only > >unethical. > > > >If a bid is made by the opponent and the > >explanation is incorrect and a player is > >disadvantaged by the opponent's action, then > >there is redress. I believe the same should > >hold on psychic bids. > > > >Active ethics are encouraged but you can still > >get a slap on the wrist when using active > >ethics! > > > >It's time the ABF outlawed psyches and put the > >_sportsmanship_ back into bridge. > I would think that someone complaining about a players exercising their legal right to psyche is the one who needs to examine their sportsmanship. Wayne _________________________________________________________________ Looking for love? Check out XtraMSN Personals http://xtramsn.match.com/match/mt.cfm?pg=channel&tcid=200731 From wayne.burrows at hotmail.com Tue Jul 26 08:26:41 2005 From: wayne.burrows at hotmail.com (Wayne Burrows) Date: Tue Jul 26 08:28:48 2005 Subject: [blml] Old-fashioned Standard American In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >From: richard.hills@immi.gov.au >To: blml@rtflb.org >Subject: [blml] Old-fashioned Standard American >Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:26:09 +1000 > > > > > >The July issue of the ABF Newsletter appeared at >the Canberra Bridge Club last night. In it was >a Letter to the Editors by Diane Brooks, who >wrote: > > >I wish to ask the ABF to clarify the > >Federation's stance on psyche bidding. > > > >The action of a psyche bid is to take away the > >natural bid of an opponent. It changes the > >results and affects the outcome of scores on > >the whole field. > > > >It is recommended to call the director (after a > >psyche) - yet nothing is done. So why bother? > > > >There are laws that deal with inadvertent bids > >- yet not against psychic bids. The > >inadvertent bid is mainly through lack of > >concentration, yet the psycher deliberately > >sets a bid in motion which throws natural bids > >out the window. In my opinion, a form of bad > >play. > > > >Bridge is a gentleman's game. The word "cheat" > >doesn't get mentioned in the Law book, only > >unethical. > > > >If a bid is made by the opponent and the > >explanation is incorrect and a player is > >disadvantaged by the opponent's action, then > >there is redress. I believe the same should > >hold on psychic bids. > > > >Active ethics are encouraged but you can still > >get a slap on the wrist when using active > >ethics! > > > >It's time the ABF outlawed psyches and put the > >_sportsmanship_ back into bridge. > >Coincidentally, this auction occurred last night >at the Canberra Bridge Club. East-West were >playing old-fashioned Standard American. > >Matchpoint pairs >Dlr: North >Vul: All > >The bidding has gone: > >WEST NORTH EAST SOUTH >--- Pass 1C 1H >1S Pass Pass ? > >You, South, hold: > >J84 >KQJ9632 >A76 >--- > >What call do you make? >What other calls do you consider making? > I bid 2H and consider 3H. Wayne _________________________________________________________________ Need a new job? 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References: <000201c58732$63901a30$7fa6403e@Mildred><012e01c58fa6$22ced2d0$6601a8c0@XOTIC> Message-ID: <003b01c591da$f9c43290$5dad87d9@yourtkrv58tbs0> from Grattan Endicott grandeval@vejez.fsnet.co.uk [also gesta@tiscali.co.uk] ************************************** 'that unhoped serene that men call age' ~ Rupert Brooke --------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Fox" To: "Linda Trent" ; "blml" Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [blml] London terror attack 7.7.05. > We attend a speaker series and heard a man (I can't > remember his name atm but he is THE expert on > terrorism from that part of the world). He told us > something very interesting and scary when he answered > my question -- He says we have more to fear than ever > in the US because European countries are starting to > contain Al Qada cells so by definition become safer to > the general population. His bet is Great Britain may not > have any cells. There are no known cells in US either. > But, almost every other European country has them > which in a twisted way keeps them safe. > > I found this to be quite an interesting theory. > > Linda < +=+ We know we have cells. We are satisfied that the 'new' al-Quaida is not an 'organisation' but more of a 'movement'. It spreads like spores from a weed. Each 'spore' settles somewhere independently and buries itself in the locale. Knows where to go for expertise and for ideological refreshment. They link via internet websites. One of the most notorious preachers of the ideology has his web site based in the USA. They lodge wherever they find conditions favourable and if dislodged move to a different website or ISP. It is quite a problem. As, for example, when a character who looks to be carrying a bomb refuses to stop when challenged by police, runs away, tries to enter a crowded tube carriage, is shot dead, and then turns out to be carrying his electrical tools, no bomb, and to be wholly innocent. Were I sitting in that underground train I would be feeling safer and I would not be arguing, as some were on the radio today, whether it is better to kill terrorists with one bullet in the brain rather than seven.. But we all know now not to run away when challenged by police in plain clothes. ~ G ~ +=+ From jimfox99 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 26 16:23:20 2005 From: jimfox99 at hotmail.com (Jim Fox) Date: Tue Jul 26 16:27:53 2005 Subject: [blml] London terror attack 7.7.05. References: <000201c58732$63901a30$7fa6403e@Mildred><012e01c58fa6$22ced2d0$6601a8c0@XOTIC> <003b01c591da$f9c43290$5dad87d9@yourtkrv58tbs0> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grattan Endicott" To: "blml" ; "Linda Trent" ; "Jim Fox" Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [blml] London terror attack 7.7.05. from Grattan Endicott grandeval@vejez.fsnet.co.uk [also gesta@tiscali.co.uk] ************************************** 'that unhoped serene that men call age' ~ Rupert Brooke --------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Fox" To: "Linda Trent" ; "blml" Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [blml] London terror attack 7.7.05. > We attend a speaker series and heard a man (I can't > remember his name atm but he is THE expert on > terrorism from that part of the world). He told us > something very interesting and scary when he answered > my question -- He says we have more to fear than ever > in the US because European countries are starting to > contain Al Qada cells so by definition become safer to > the general population. His bet is Great Britain may not > have any cells. There are no known cells in US either. > But, almost every other European country has them > which in a twisted way keeps them safe. > > I found this to be quite an interesting theory. > > Linda < |+=+ We know we have cells. We are satisfied that the |'new' al-Quaida is not an 'organisation' but more of a |'movement'. It spreads like spores from a weed. Each |'spore' settles somewhere independently and buries itself |in the locale. Knows where to go for expertise and for |ideological refreshment. They link via internet websites. |One of the most notorious preachers of the ideology has |his web site based in the USA. They lodge wherever they |find conditions favourable and if dislodged move to a |different website or ISP. | It is quite a problem. As, for example, when a |character who looks to be carrying a bomb refuses to |stop when challenged by police, runs away, tries to enter |a crowded tube carriage, is shot dead, and then turns out | |to be carrying his electrical tools, no bomb, and to be |wholly innocent. Were I sitting in that underground train |I would be feeling safer and I would not be arguing, as |some were on the radio today, whether it is better to kill |terrorists with one bullet in the brain rather than seven.. |But we all know now not to run away when challenged |by police in plain clothes. | ~ G ~ +=+ Good posting. Sounds like you get it. Not sure why you kept MY header on this but removed MY previous comments which were: "Maybe we should give them our country just to make sure that we have no terrorist attacks. Interesting theory?" Mmbridge From info at hh-daisuki.net Tue Jul 26 14:06:23 2005 From: info at hh-daisuki.net (info@hh-daisuki.net) Date: Tue Jul 26 17:29:01 2005 Subject: [blml] $B$*Aj $B!y%*!<%k%-%c%j%""M!!(Bhttp://www.awg1.net/?carrier1 $B'X(B $B5U1gAj$NCK@-$G$9$+!)(B $B"(G($l$KG($l$^$/$k=w@-$rH>1J5WE*$K2?;~$G$b2?=h$G$b40A4L5NA$G$N>R2pCW$7$^$9!#(B $B"($J$ Message-ID: > Vul vs Not > > 106 > KQ862 > 87 > A854 > > Pass 1NT 3S Pass > ? > > You do not know your partnership agreement for a jump bid over 1NT. > > Your convention card says weak jump overcalls but you do not know if > this applies over 1NT. You have not completely filled out your defense > to 1NT and admit to being unsure of the meaning. > > What are your logical alternatives? I'd hope to have some basic system knowledge (ie we are playing Acol so this should be reasonably strong if undiscussed). However if (at gunpoint), I have partially agreed a defence to 1N which does not allow for showing a moderate Spade single-suiter I'd have doubts. 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As, for example, when a > character who looks to be carrying a bomb refuses to > stop when challenged by police, runs away, tries to enter > a crowded tube carriage, is shot dead, and then turns out > to be carrying his electrical tools, no bomb, and to be > wholly innocent. Were I sitting in that underground train > I would be feeling safer and I would not be arguing, as > some were on the radio today, whether it is better to kill > terrorists with one bullet in the brain rather than seven.. > But we all know now not to run away when challenged > by police in plain clothes. I was just today discussing with my daughter (36) "What would have been the public reaction if the police had just tried to disable a man who then managed to trip the explosives he was carrying under his coat killing 20 and wounding 100 with his suicide attack simply because he was not instantly killed?" I guess the headlines would be something like "while watching a suspect the police failed to prevent him from killing at least 20 and wounding 100" In the present situation I believe everybody should realize that England at present is so close to a state of war that only the declaration (and an addressable enemy) is missing. You have my sincere sympathy! Regards Sven From richard.hills at immi.gov.au Wed Jul 27 00:23:53 2005 From: richard.hills at immi.gov.au (richard.hills@immi.gov.au) Date: Wed Jul 27 00:25:33 2005 Subject: [blml] Old-fashioned Standard American In-Reply-To: <001d01c5918d$7f746d40$a1255244@immi.gov.au> Message-ID: Craig wrote: >Is Diane Brooks a novice or an idiot? (Forced >choice, no is not a logical alternative). [snip] >As for the hand, why not 2H. Slight thought >to 3H needing a swing and with a timid >partner, but always actually bidding 2H. I >thought about pass momentarily and almost >lost my dinner. 4H would be better than that! Richard replies: Is Craig a novice or an idiot? (Forced choice, no is not a logical alternative). :-) Players who *think* that they are experts try to show how clever they are by frequently psyching. But players who *think* that they are experts consider old-fashioned Standard American beneath their dignity; they try to show how clever they are by playing a hyper- modern system with lots of hyper-modern gadgets. So, as for the hand, Pass is the *only* logical alternative for a player who is a *real* expert. What happened at the table (names changed to protect the guilty) -> Hideous Hog 2 854 J965 T6543 Timothy the Toucan Rueful Rabbit AQ9765 KT3 A T7 Q3 KT42 QJ87 AK92 Karapet the Unlucky J84 KQJ9632 A76 --- WEST NORTH EAST SOUTH T.T H.H. R.R. Karapet --- Pass(1) 1C 1H 1S Pass(2) Pass(3) 2H(4) 4S Pass Pass Pass(5) (1) Tends to show not many values. (2) Tends to show even fewer values. (3) The Rabbit originally intended to make the old-fashioned Standard American rebid of 1NT. 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Even a semi-competent player can look his right and work out that a twitching nose and plate of almond biscuits means something different to a firmly clutched glass of someone else's brandy. Put RR opposite and HH on your right and pass is barely an LA at all - let alone the only LA. The quoting of the auction below the article led one to assume RHO was a likely "operator" rather than a fluffy bunny. Tim From richard.hills at immi.gov.au Wed Jul 27 03:40:34 2005 From: richard.hills at immi.gov.au (richard.hills@immi.gov.au) Date: Wed Jul 27 03:42:28 2005 Subject: [blml] Old-fashioned Standard American In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tim West-Meads: >>The quoting of the auction below the article led one >>to assume RHO was a likely "operator" rather than a >>fluffy bunny. Sherlock Holmes: >It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has >data. 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I guess the headlines would be something like "while watching a suspect the police failed to prevent him from killing at least 20 and wounding 100" In the present situation I believe everybody should realize that England at present is so close to a state of war that only the declaration (and an addressable enemy) is missing. +=+ I think it has been acknowledged that a state of war exists. However, not only England is attacked, the bombs have gone off in Egypt, Spain, Indonesia, Turkey, Iraq, against the USA wherever they are, threats have been discovered in France, Germany, Italy, Saudi Arabia - with shots fired in some of these places. It is important to realize that the fundamentalist violence promotes a view of one religion that is against mainstream belief - just as other religions would condemn some of the things done by extremists in their names. I fear we are all in this together. ~ Grattan ~ +=+ From harald.skjaran at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 10:48:40 2005 From: harald.skjaran at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Harald_Skj=E6ran?=) Date: Wed Jul 27 10:51:04 2005 Subject: [blml] New email adress Message-ID: I've changed my email adress to harald.skjaran@gmail.com From svenpran at online.no Wed Jul 27 11:28:16 2005 From: svenpran at online.no (Sven Pran) Date: Wed Jul 27 11:30:26 2005 Subject: [blml] London terror attack 7.7.05. In-Reply-To: <004c01c59287$0c34e300$3cb887d9@yourtkrv58tbs0> Message-ID: <000001c5928d$852f22b0$6400a8c0@WINXP> > On Behalf Of Grattan Endicott > From: "Sven Pran" >> I was just today discussing with my daughter (36) "What >> would have been the public reaction if the police had just >> tried to disable a man who then managed to trip the >> explosives he was carrying under his coat killing 20 and >> wounding 100 with his suicide attack simply because he >> was not instantly killed?" >> >> I guess the headlines would be something like "while >> watching a suspect the police failed to prevent him from >> killing at least 20 and wounding 100" >> >> In the present situation I believe everybody should >> realize that England at present is so close to a state of >> war that only the declaration (and an addressable enemy) >> is missing. > > +=+ I think it has been acknowledged that a state of > war exists. However, not only England is attacked, > the bombs have gone off in Egypt, Spain, Indonesia, > Turkey, Iraq, against the USA wherever they are, > threats have been discovered in France, Germany, > Italy, Saudi Arabia - with shots fired in some of these > places. It is important to realize that the fundamentalist > violence promotes a view of one religion that is against > mainstream belief - just as other religions would condemn > some of the things done by extremists in their names. > I fear we are all in this together. > ~ Grattan ~ +=+ Acknowledged indeed. But I guess you didn't really feel like a state of war existing in England before 7/7? Regards Sven From twm at cix.co.uk Wed Jul 27 14:17:00 2005 From: twm at cix.co.uk (Tim West-Meads) Date: Wed Jul 27 14:19:20 2005 Subject: [blml] Old-fashioned Standard American In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Richard wrote: > Blmlers rushed in where angels fear to tread, by > choosing to reopen the auction *before* bothering to > find out who the three opponents were. The nature of the medium is such that it is often convenient to make assumptions. That should not be taken to indicate that the same assumptions would be made at the table. > And, of course, the auction demonstrated why psyches > continue to be Lawful. Given that an inadvertent > blunder of a misbid should be Lawful, for the Laws to > be consistent then the deliberate blunder of a psyche > must also remain Lawful. Whilst I agree that psychs should remain lawful I do not see the logic of the above. Deliberate actions are treated differently from inadvertent ones elsewhere in the law and a pscyher/misbidder knows which he is. 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From ereppert at rochester.rr.com Thu Jul 28 05:07:16 2005 From: ereppert at rochester.rr.com (Ed Reppert) Date: Thu Jul 28 05:09:28 2005 Subject: [blml] Old-fashioned Standard American In-Reply-To: <42E7D0BA.2000205@att.net> References: <42E7D0BA.2000205@att.net> Message-ID: <01956F2A-2416-44EA-938D-6F04E2E45AA6@rochester.rr.com> On Jul 27, 2005, at 2:21 PM, Todd M. Zimnoch wrote: > LHO opens 2H on a 5-bagger 12-count. Partner doubles, 3H on > your right (though she holds 4), you also double. 4H by LHO. At > this point partner is confused and asks about the 2H opening. > Getting a response that it's a normal weak two, partner continues > to 4S doubled off 2. > > In a moment of indiscretion following the hand, you remark to > partner that he should be wary of a psyche after 2H opener takes a > second bid raising his own suit. LHO takes umbrage and violently > objects that he does not psyche. Do you call the director? > > I didn't. Being new to the area I didn't know if such a weak 2 > was indeed normal, though I suspected not, and I felt it easier to > deal with a player I viewed as ignorant than to deal with a player > who views me with animosity. We all handle such situations as we feel best. I played in a club game today - one I haven't played in before, one which caters to "beginners". At one table, LHO (who I knew, and who is not what I'd call a beginner, though still a novice) said "my partner is new to duplicate, so you won't mind if I explain to him what's going on in the bidding, will you?" Did we object? No. In fact, I took the opportunity, at the end of the round, to mention a couple of things that he might like to know, and on the hands we declared, I described what the bidding told about both my hand and partner's before the lead. They both appreciated it, and nobody was unhappy (it was a good round for us). As for your situation, I don't think a 5-bagger 12 count is necessarily a psych. 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In-Reply-To: References: <000101c584b6$93b95c40$6400a8c0@WINXP> <95i9d158lu0eumpg6rf54mc2b7ucb7tdrl@mail.stofanet.dk> <6.2.1.2.2.20050724154817.04f71008@localhost> <6.2.1.2.2.20050724203350.02d87ad8@localhost> <8ai9e11rgej3ilkcu8lb9vh0ttrg6b3m2d@mail.stofanet.dk> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050728151114.02d08a70@localhost> At 11:35 28/07/2005, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote: >Bertel Lund Hansen skrev: > > >Then I don't understand that any mail from them gets through at > >all. Why is the system not set up in such a way that only members > >can post? It is, but it seems to be possible to bypass this. I haven't had time yet to figure out why. Henk >My question remains. 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(Tom Verlaine) From blml at lundhansen.dk Thu Jul 28 15:41:23 2005 From: blml at lundhansen.dk (Bertel Lund Hansen) Date: Thu Jul 28 15:42:35 2005 Subject: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050728151114.02d08a70@localhost> References: <000101c584b6$93b95c40$6400a8c0@WINXP> <95i9d158lu0eumpg6rf54mc2b7ucb7tdrl@mail.stofanet.dk> <6.2.1.2.2.20050724154817.04f71008@localhost> <6.2.1.2.2.20050724203350.02d87ad8@localhost> <8ai9e11rgej3ilkcu8lb9vh0ttrg6b3m2d@mail.stofanet.dk> <6.2.1.2.2.20050728151114.02d08a70@localhost> Message-ID: Henk Uijterwaal skrev: >It is, but it seems to be possible to bypass this. I haven't had time >yet to figure out why. This is merely a test. I have changed my sender address to see if my mail will then get through (the address is valid). -- Bertel http://bertel.lundhansen.dk/ FIDUSO: http://fiduso.dk/ From blml at lundhansen.dk Thu Jul 28 15:44:02 2005 From: blml at lundhansen.dk (Try Tester) Date: Thu Jul 28 15:45:15 2005 Subject: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? In-Reply-To: References: <000101c584b6$93b95c40$6400a8c0@WINXP> <95i9d158lu0eumpg6rf54mc2b7ucb7tdrl@mail.stofanet.dk> <6.2.1.2.2.20050724154817.04f71008@localhost> <6.2.1.2.2.20050724203350.02d87ad8@localhost> <8ai9e11rgej3ilkcu8lb9vh0ttrg6b3m2d@mail.stofanet.dk> <6.2.1.2.2.20050728151114.02d08a70@localhost> Message-ID: This is one more test. I have changed my sender address *and* my name to see if my mail will then get through. My real name is Bertel Lund Hansen. -- Bertel http://bertel.lundhansen.dk/ FIDUSO: http://fiduso.dk/ From nospamfilius at lundhansen.dk Thu Jul 28 15:47:47 2005 From: nospamfilius at lundhansen.dk (Bertel Lund Hansen) Date: Thu Jul 28 15:49:01 2005 Subject: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050728151114.02d08a70@localhost> References: <000101c584b6$93b95c40$6400a8c0@WINXP> <95i9d158lu0eumpg6rf54mc2b7ucb7tdrl@mail.stofanet.dk> <6.2.1.2.2.20050724154817.04f71008@localhost> <6.2.1.2.2.20050724203350.02d87ad8@localhost> <8ai9e11rgej3ilkcu8lb9vh0ttrg6b3m2d@mail.stofanet.dk> <6.2.1.2.2.20050728151114.02d08a70@localhost> Message-ID: <5cohe19ha9anlhnd9a92s9nrbf4fu81uf8@mail.stofanet.dk> Henk Uijterwaal skrev: >> >all. Why is the system not set up in such a way that only members >> >can post? >It is, but it seems to be possible to bypass this. I haven't had time >yet to figure out why. 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All factual information in this report was gathered from public sources, including but not limited to SEC filings, Company Websites and Company Press Releases. The publisher of this newsletter believes this information to be reliable but can make no guarantee as to its accuracy or completeness. Use of the material within this email constitutes your acceptance of these terms. From hermy at hdw.be Fri Jul 29 09:15:42 2005 From: hermy at hdw.be (HermY De Wael) Date: Fri Jul 29 09:15:58 2005 Subject: [blml] Test from Bertel Lund Hansen with new subject In-Reply-To: <005801c593ed$3cc19920$a1255244@craigjkd4vrl7u> References: <533D273D4014D411AB1D00062938C4D90849C75E@hotel.npl.co.uk> <005801c593ed$3cc19920$a1255244@craigjkd4vrl7u> Message-ID: <42E9D79E.8000104@hdw.be> I realy don't know where Craig and Robin are coming from. One piece of spam? I get at least 10 a day, and my filter sorts out at least 20 more. This really is a problem that needs solving. Please go on, Bertel, Sven and Henk, and get to the bottom of this. There have been less important threads in the past (and I realize I must have contributed greatly to some of those). craig wrote: > This is getting old. This is the tenth message of this sort in the past > 24 hours, compared to one piece of spam. Can we please cease and desist > with the tests and email Henk directly rather than the whole list? The > kvetching is worse than the spam it concerns. > > Craig > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Barker" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:47 AM > Subject: RE: [blml] Test from Bertel Lund Hansen with new subject > > >> I'm glad I won't be reading the list for a week or so! >> >> By far the most spam I have seen on this list is this thread on why >> there is so much spam on the list. It has drowned out the bridge and >> certainly the real spam, which *I* see very little of. I guess this >> mail account has some decent filters. >> >> Robin >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and/or >> privileged material; it is for the intended addressee(s) only. >> If you are not a named addressee, you must not use, retain or >> disclose such information. >> >> NPL Management Ltd cannot guarantee that the e-mail or any >> attachments are free from viruses. >> >> NPL Management Ltd. Registered in England and Wales. No: 2937881 >> Registered Office: Serco House, 16 Bartley Wood Business Park, >> Hook, Hampshire, United Kingdom RG27 9UY >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> blml mailing list >> blml@amsterdamned.org >> http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > blml mailing list > blml@amsterdamned.org > http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > > -- HermY DE WAEL Antwerpen Belgium Fifth Friday homepage: http://users.skynet.be/hermandw/ff/ffriday.html From svenpran at online.no Fri Jul 29 10:20:23 2005 From: svenpran at online.no (Sven Pran) Date: Fri Jul 29 10:22:34 2005 Subject: [blml] Test from Bertel Lund Hansen with new subject In-Reply-To: <42E9D79E.8000104@hdw.be> Message-ID: <000001c59416$5e31f1d0$6400a8c0@WINXP> > On Behalf Of HermY De Wael > I realy don't know where Craig and Robin are coming from. One piece of > spam? I get at least 10 a day, and my filter sorts out at least 20 > more. This really is a problem that needs solving. Please go on, > Bertel, Sven and Henk, and get to the bottom of this. There have been > less important threads in the past (and I realize I must have > contributed greatly to some of those). I feel pretty confident that the recent test messages sent by Bertel and me (together with the archive files on blml) should have given Henk all the material he could need to diagnose this problem. So the best thing we can do now is probably to relax and await Henk's possible findings. I do hope the blml'ers acknowledge that our test messages had to go through blml because that is where the spam filtering problem apparently is located? BTW, a quick inspection on blml archives tells me that there have been 15 spam messages during the last 24 hours. Regards Sven > craig wrote: > > This is getting old. This is the tenth message of this sort in the past > > 24 hours, compared to one piece of spam. Can we please cease and desist > > with the tests and email Henk directly rather than the whole list? The > > kvetching is worse than the spam it concerns. > > > > Craig > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Barker" > > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:47 AM > > Subject: RE: [blml] Test from Bertel Lund Hansen with new subject > > > > > >> I'm glad I won't be reading the list for a week or so! > >> > >> By far the most spam I have seen on this list is this thread on why > >> there is so much spam on the list. It has drowned out the bridge and > >> certainly the real spam, which *I* see very little of. I guess this > >> mail account has some decent filters. > >> > >> Robin > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and/or > >> privileged material; it is for the intended addressee(s) only. > >> If you are not a named addressee, you must not use, retain or > >> disclose such information. > >> > >> NPL Management Ltd cannot guarantee that the e-mail or any > >> attachments are free from viruses. > >> > >> NPL Management Ltd. Registered in England and Wales. No: 2937881 > >> Registered Office: Serco House, 16 Bartley Wood Business Park, > >> Hook, Hampshire, United Kingdom RG27 9UY > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> blml mailing list > >> blml@amsterdamned.org > >> http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > blml mailing list > > blml@amsterdamned.org > > http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > > > > > > -- > HermY DE WAEL > Antwerpen Belgium > Fifth Friday homepage: > http://users.skynet.be/hermandw/ff/ffriday.html > > > _______________________________________________ > blml mailing list > blml@amsterdamned.org > http://www.amsterdamned.org/mailman/listinfo/blml From walt1 at verizon.net Fri Jul 29 14:49:04 2005 From: walt1 at verizon.net (Walt) Date: Fri Jul 29 14:51:24 2005 Subject: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050725215552.03453e20@mail.comcast.net> References: <200507251641.JAA31586@mailhub.irvine.com> <200507251826.j6PIQJHf011486@athena.ccrs.nrcan.gc.ca> <6.2.1.2.0.20050725215552.03453e20@mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050729084659.034f9940@incoming.verizon.net> At 10:02 PM 7/25/2005, David J. Grabiner wrote: >I don't know how serious the spam problem actually is, though. My mail >goes through >two spam filters before it reaches me, because >grabiner@alumni.princeton.edu is >forwarded to my real address, and both addresses are filtered. I get only >a few >spams on BLML. David I haven't counted but it feels like about half of my "blml" email messages are spam. The number is certainly much, much larger than it is on any other list. Walt From substantiating at doraymedia.com Fri Jul 29 16:05:18 2005 From: substantiating at doraymedia.com (Solomon) Date: Fri Jul 29 16:07:29 2005 Subject: [blml] Sage stock Watcher Message-ID: <11679424940.2246246148@xfccafe.plus.com> ***We told you there was going to be a BIG move on THURSDAY and we where right*** PGCN MAKES HUGH MOVE, UP A AMAZING $1.00 !!! *****INVESTER ALERT ISSUED FOR FRIDAY JULY 29, 2005***** (OTC Ticker: PGCN) WE URGE YOU TO WATCH THIS TRADE FRIDAY Current Price $2.25 - WOW UP BIG ON BUYING THURSDAY... (WE CAN'T WAIT UNTIL FRIDAY) SYMBOL: PGCN 7-Day Target: $4-5 3-Month Target: $15 HARBIN, China, July 11 /Xinhua-PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Harbin Pingchuan Pharmaceutical Holding Co. Ltd. (OTC Bulletin Board: PGCN - News; "PINGCHUAN") announced today that PINGCHUAN signed a Purchase Agreement with the Guangdong Medicine Group Co. Ltd. ("GDMG"). Under the terms of the agreement, PINGCHUAN will authorize GDMG as its franchisee in five southern provinces of China. With respect to the authorization, GDMG intends to purchase approximately US$2.00million worth of PINGCHUAN's pharmaceutical products in 2005. By cooperating with GDMG, PINGCHUAN will greatly enhance the marketing network and sales channels in Southern China. "We are delighted to reach this agreement with the leading medical enterprise in Southern China. This purchase agreement not only increases our sales revenue in these five provinces, but also substantially improves our brand awareness in Southern China. While maintaining the existing marketing network, we are developing and setting up new marketing network and sales channel actively." Said Hu ZhanWu, Chairman and President of Pingchuan Pharmaceutical Co. Ltd., "One of our marketing strategies is to establish a connection with medical enterprises such as Guangdong Medicine Group, for the promotion of our products into their commercial networks throughout the entire country." ..Whatever you do WATCH PGCN... WE GIVE IT TO YOU AGAIN AS A GIFT. THIS COMPANY IS DOING INCREDIBLE THINGS. THAY HAVE CASH AND HAVE MADE GREAT STRATEGIC AQUISITIONS. CURRENT PRICE $2.25 WORD ON THE SREET IS THIS COULD TAKE OFF AT ANY MOMENT AND DOUBLE. THIS COMPANY HAS DROPPED BIG NEW'S IN THE PAST. WHO'S TO SAY THEY DON'T HAVE ANOTHER BIG ONE. Disclaimer: Information within this email contains "forwardlooking statements" within the meaning of Section 27Aof the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21B of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Any statements that express or involve discussions with respect to predictions, expectations, beliefs, plans, projections, objectives, goals, assumptions or future events or performance are not statements of historical fact and may be "forward looking statements". "Forward looking statements" are based on expectations, estimates and projections at the time the statements are made that involve a number of risks and uncertainties which could cause actual results or events to differ materially from those presently anticipated. Forward looking statements in this action may be identified through the use of words such as "projects", "foresee", "expects", "will", "anticipates", "estimates", "believes", "understands" or that by statements indicating certain actions "may", "could", or "might" occur. Risk factors include general economic and business conditions, the ability to acquire and develop specific projects, the ability to fund operations and changes in consumer and business consumption habits and other factors overwhich the company has little or no control. The publisher of this newsletter does not represent that the information contained in this message states all material facts or does not omit a material fact necessary to make the statements therein not misleading. All information provided within this email pertaining to investing, ST0CKs, securities must be understood as information provided and not investment advice. The publisher of this newsletter advises all readers and subscribers to seek advice from a registered professional securities representative before deciding to trade in ST0CKs featured within this email. None of the material within this report shall be construed as any kind of investment advice or solicitation. Many of these companies are on the verge of bankruptcy. You can lose all your money by investing in this ST0CK. We urge you to read the company's SEC filings now, before you invest. The publisher of this newsletter is not a registered invstment advisor. Subscribers should not view information herein as legal, tax, accounting or investment advice. In compliance with the SecuritiesAct of 1933, Section 17(b), The publisher of this newsletter is contracted to receive six hundred thousand free trading shares from a third party, not an officer, director or affiliate shareholder for the circulation of this report. Be aware of an inherent conflict of interest resulting from such compensation due to the fact that this is a paid advertisement and is not without bias. The party that paid us has a position in the ST0CK they will sell at anytime without notice. This could have a negative impact on the price of the ST0CK, causing you to lose money. All factual information in this report was gathered from public sources, including but not limited to SEC filings, Company Websites and Company Press Releases. The publisher of this newsletter believes this information to be reliable but can make no guarantee as to its accuracy or completeness. Use of the material within this email constitutes your acceptance of these terms. From reemphasize at trench.org Fri Jul 29 16:05:44 2005 From: reemphasize at trench.org (Stella) Date: Fri Jul 29 16:08:00 2005 Subject: [blml] Do You Trade Penny stocks? Message-ID: <5744242846.4583946936@xfccafe.plus.com> ***We told you there was going to be a BIG move on THURSDAY and we where right*** PGCN MAKES HUGH MOVE, UP A AMAZING $1.00 !!! *****INVESTER ALERT ISSUED FOR FRIDAY JULY 29, 2005***** (OTC Ticker: PGCN) WE URGE YOU TO WATCH THIS TRADE FRIDAY Current Price $2.25 - WOW UP BIG ON BUYING THURSDAY... (WE CAN'T WAIT UNTIL FRIDAY) SYMBOL: PGCN 7-Day Target: $4-5 3-Month Target: $15 HARBIN, China, July 11 /Xinhua-PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Harbin Pingchuan Pharmaceutical Holding Co. Ltd. (OTC Bulletin Board: PGCN - News; "PINGCHUAN") announced today that PINGCHUAN signed a Purchase Agreement with the Guangdong Medicine Group Co. Ltd. ("GDMG"). Under the terms of the agreement, PINGCHUAN will authorize GDMG as its franchisee in five southern provinces of China. With respect to the authorization, GDMG intends to purchase approximately US$2.00million worth of PINGCHUAN's pharmaceutical products in 2005. By cooperating with GDMG, PINGCHUAN will greatly enhance the marketing network and sales channels in Southern China. "We are delighted to reach this agreement with the leading medical enterprise in Southern China. This purchase agreement not only increases our sales revenue in these five provinces, but also substantially improves our brand awareness in Southern China. While maintaining the existing marketing network, we are developing and setting up new marketing network and sales channel actively." Said Hu ZhanWu, Chairman and President of Pingchuan Pharmaceutical Co. Ltd., "One of our marketing strategies is to establish a connection with medical enterprises such as Guangdong Medicine Group, for the promotion of our products into their commercial networks throughout the entire country." ..Whatever you do WATCH PGCN... WE GIVE IT TO YOU AGAIN AS A GIFT. THIS COMPANY IS DOING INCREDIBLE THINGS. THAY HAVE CASH AND HAVE MADE GREAT STRATEGIC AQUISITIONS. CURRENT PRICE $2.25 WORD ON THE SREET IS THIS COULD TAKE OFF AT ANY MOMENT AND DOUBLE. THIS COMPANY HAS DROPPED BIG NEW'S IN THE PAST. WHO'S TO SAY THEY DON'T HAVE ANOTHER BIG ONE. Disclaimer: Information within this email contains "forwardlooking statements" within the meaning of Section 27Aof the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21B of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Any statements that express or involve discussions with respect to predictions, expectations, beliefs, plans, projections, objectives, goals, assumptions or future events or performance are not statements of historical fact and may be "forward looking statements". "Forward looking statements" are based on expectations, estimates and projections at the time the statements are made that involve a number of risks and uncertainties which could cause actual results or events to differ materially from those presently anticipated. Forward looking statements in this action may be identified through the use of words such as "projects", "foresee", "expects", "will", "anticipates", "estimates", "believes", "understands" or that by statements indicating certain actions "may", "could", or "might" occur. Risk factors include general economic and business conditions, the ability to acquire and develop specific projects, the ability to fund operations and changes in consumer and business consumption habits and other factors overwhich the company has little or no control. The publisher of this newsletter does not represent that the information contained in this message states all material facts or does not omit a material fact necessary to make the statements therein not misleading. All information provided within this email pertaining to investing, ST0CKs, securities must be understood as information provided and not investment advice. The publisher of this newsletter advises all readers and subscribers to seek advice from a registered professional securities representative before deciding to trade in ST0CKs featured within this email. None of the material within this report shall be construed as any kind of investment advice or solicitation. Many of these companies are on the verge of bankruptcy. You can lose all your money by investing in this ST0CK. We urge you to read the company's SEC filings now, before you invest. The publisher of this newsletter is not a registered invstment advisor. Subscribers should not view information herein as legal, tax, accounting or investment advice. In compliance with the SecuritiesAct of 1933, Section 17(b), The publisher of this newsletter is contracted to receive six hundred thousand free trading shares from a third party, not an officer, director or affiliate shareholder for the circulation of this report. Be aware of an inherent conflict of interest resulting from such compensation due to the fact that this is a paid advertisement and is not without bias. The party that paid us has a position in the ST0CK they will sell at anytime without notice. This could have a negative impact on the price of the ST0CK, causing you to lose money. All factual information in this report was gathered from public sources, including but not limited to SEC filings, Company Websites and Company Press Releases. The publisher of this newsletter believes this information to be reliable but can make no guarantee as to its accuracy or completeness. Use of the material within this email constitutes your acceptance of these terms. From svenpran at online.no Fri Jul 29 16:23:57 2005 From: svenpran at online.no (Sven Pran) Date: Fri Jul 29 16:26:08 2005 Subject: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20050729084659.034f9940@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <000001c59449$27f37fc0$6400a8c0@WINXP> According to the blml archive files there were 126 SPAM messages out of a total of 967 during June, and so far during July we have had 388 SPAM messages out of a total of 725! "Houston, we have a problem" Sven > -----Original Message----- > From: blml-bounces@amsterdamned.org [mailto:blml-bounces@amsterdamned.org] > On Behalf Of Walt > Sent: 29. juli 2005 14:49 > To: David J. Grabiner; blml@rtflb.org > Subject: Re: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? > > At 10:02 PM 7/25/2005, David J. Grabiner wrote: > > >I don't know how serious the spam problem actually is, though. My mail > >goes through > >two spam filters before it reaches me, because > >grabiner@alumni.princeton.edu is > >forwarded to my real address, and both addresses are filtered. I get > only > >a few > >spams on BLML. > > > David > > I haven't counted but it feels like about half of my "blml" email messages > are spam. 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Grabiner" ; Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? > At 10:02 PM 7/25/2005, David J. Grabiner wrote: > > >I don't know how serious the spam problem actually is, though. My mail > >goes through > >two spam filters before it reaches me, because > >grabiner@alumni.princeton.edu is > >forwarded to my real address, and both addresses are filtered. I get only > >a few > >spams on BLML. > > > David > > I haven't counted but it feels like about half of my "blml" email messages > are spam. The number is certainly much, much larger than it is on any other > list. > > Walt > +=+ Of my last pickup - 16 blml messages - 9 were sp*m. My nonblml pickup about ten messages, all but two sp*m. I think the time has come to change 'blml' in the address to something else. ~ G ~ +=+ From soften at linuxmail.org Fri Jul 29 20:48:21 2005 From: soften at linuxmail.org (Paul Vela) Date: Fri Jul 29 19:53:33 2005 Subject: [blml] Re: Loan request Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.amsterdamned.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20050729/51b9c108/attachment.html From svenpran at online.no Fri Jul 29 19:54:22 2005 From: svenpran at online.no (Sven Pran) Date: Fri Jul 29 19:56:34 2005 Subject: [blml] Is spam on blml getting out of control? In-Reply-To: <000f01c59450$489bed00$d3bf87d9@yourtkrv58tbs0> Message-ID: <000201c59466$8db0b3b0$6400a8c0@WINXP> > On Behalf Of Grattan Endicott .......... > +=+ Of my last pickup - 16 blml messages - 9 were sp*m. My nonblml > pickup about ten messages, all but two sp*m. I think the time has come > to change 'blml' in the address to something else. ~ G ~ +=+ No Grattan. 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They were 'about' this problem. This is getting >ridiculous... Use your ignore option. Apart from two separate tests, all the postings about spam have been kept in one thread. Ignore the thread and you won't see any more follow-ups to it. Fighting spam is not ridiculous. It is perhaps the most serious problem on the net. Filtering out spam is helpful to spammers since it lets them continue undisturbed. Spam must be cut off by the source, and that is why I have no filters installed and do not intend to change that. Until I opened BLML, I received maybe one piece of spam pr. month (I have effective ways to fight it). Now I get maybe 20 a day. That is intolerable. -- Bertel http://bertel.lundhansen.dk/ FIDUSO: http://fiduso.dk/ From craigstamps at comcast.net Sun Jul 31 17:28:10 2005 From: craigstamps at comcast.net (craig) Date: Sun Jul 31 17:30:20 2005 Subject: [blml] Is sp*m on blml getting out of control? References: <000401c59534$347b21d0$54a0403e@Mildred><001001c59594$dd37d790$6401a8c0@noeltsui0kso1i> Message-ID: <001401c595e4$763b0a30$a1255244@craigjkd4vrl7u> What is becoming intolerable is this interminable non-bridge thread which seems to be doing nothing to address the problem, and has no relevance to bridge whatsoever. I don't know of anything called an "ignore" option...but it would not be necessary if you would stop spamming me with this thread. I have received now 27 useless messages under this heading since Friday and only one piece of spam from the list. Maybe you need to talk with your isp...mine keeps the spam out, but can't eliminate postings to the list from members without cutting off legitimate messages. 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