From hildalirsch at gmail.com Tue Jul 4 10:46:07 2017 From: hildalirsch at gmail.com (Richard Hills) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 18:46:07 +1000 Subject: [BLML] 2017 Law 65B3 Message-ID: <2939B297-5240-409C-A4A1-24535F9335CB@gmail.com> Dummy's and defenders' rights have been extended in the 2017 update of Law 65B3. They now have the right to point out an opponent's card incorrectly oriented (provided that their side has not yet played to the next trick). Best wishes, Richard Hills Sent from my iPad From hildalirsch at gmail.com Tue Jul 25 09:26:21 2017 From: hildalirsch at gmail.com (Richard Hills) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 17:26:21 +1000 Subject: [BLML] Jeeves the Butler Message-ID: <6D9A76BF-8790-4704-AD87-F69FBC136A11@gmail.com> Swiss Butler Pairs Dlr: West Vul: North-South The bidding has gone: Pass - (Pass) - ? You, East, hold: T96 QT6 T973 876 What call do you make? Best wishes, Richard Hills Sent from my iPad From hermandw at skynet.be Tue Jul 25 10:46:27 2017 From: hermandw at skynet.be (Herman De Wael) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 10:46:27 +0200 Subject: [BLML] Jeeves the Butler In-Reply-To: <6D9A76BF-8790-4704-AD87-F69FBC136A11@gmail.com> References: <6D9A76BF-8790-4704-AD87-F69FBC136A11@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3b836057-2c71-81e8-27f6-35d67ba4ca69@skynet.be> obviously, 1 heart! altough I would consider passing. Richard Hills wrote: > Swiss Butler Pairs > Dlr: West > Vul: North-South > > The bidding has gone: Pass - (Pass) - ? > > You, East, hold: > > T96 > QT6 > T973 > 876 > > What call do you make? > > Best wishes, > > Richard Hills > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > Blml mailing list > Blml at rtflb.org > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > > From bgxman at gmail.com Tue Jul 25 11:39:35 2017 From: bgxman at gmail.com (Bruce Crossman) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 02:39:35 -0700 Subject: [BLML] Jeeves the Butler In-Reply-To: <6D9A76BF-8790-4704-AD87-F69FBC136A11@gmail.com> References: <6D9A76BF-8790-4704-AD87-F69FBC136A11@gmail.com> Message-ID: Laugh! On 25 Jul. 2017 6:28 pm, "Richard Hills" wrote: > Swiss Butler Pairs > Dlr: West > Vul: North-South > > The bidding has gone: Pass - (Pass) - ? > > You, East, hold: > > T96 > QT6 > T973 > 876 > > What call do you make? > > Best wishes, > > Richard Hills > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > Blml mailing list > Blml at rtflb.org > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rtflb.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20170725/fda1fa9c/attachment.html From gordonr60 at gmail.com Tue Jul 25 14:34:21 2017 From: gordonr60 at gmail.com (Gordon Rainsford) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 13:34:21 +0100 Subject: [BLML] Jeeves the Butler In-Reply-To: <6D9A76BF-8790-4704-AD87-F69FBC136A11@gmail.com> References: <6D9A76BF-8790-4704-AD87-F69FBC136A11@gmail.com> Message-ID: <59773ad0.e8afdf0a.199a8.b35e@mx.google.com> Herman? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Richard Hills Sent: 25 July 2017 13:16 To: blml at rtflb.org Subject: [BLML] Jeeves the Butler Swiss Butler Pairs Dlr: West Vul: North-South The bidding has gone: Pass - (Pass) - ? You, East, hold: T96 QT6 T973 876 What call do you make? Best wishes, Richard Hills Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ Blml mailing list Blml at rtflb.org http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rtflb.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20170725/b91b1a87/attachment.html From axman22 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 25 20:21:27 2017 From: axman22 at hotmail.com (Roger Pewick) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 18:21:27 +0000 Subject: [BLML] Jeeves the Butler In-Reply-To: <6D9A76BF-8790-4704-AD87-F69FBC136A11@gmail.com> References: <6D9A76BF-8790-4704-AD87-F69FBC136A11@gmail.com> Message-ID: You know that Herman can?t resist this. Regards Roger pewick From: Richard Hills Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 3:28 AM To: blml at rtflb.org Subject: [BLML] Jeeves the Butler Swiss Butler Pairs Dlr: West Vul: North-South The bidding has gone: Pass - (Pass) - ? You, East, hold: T96 QT6 T973 876 What call do you make? Best wishes, Richard Hills -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rtflb.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20170725/053ae1c8/attachment.html From vip at centrum.is Tue Jul 25 20:31:30 2017 From: vip at centrum.is (=?utf-8?Q?Vigf=C3=BAs_P=C3=A1lsson?=) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 18:31:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [BLML] Jeeves the Butler In-Reply-To: <6D9A76BF-8790-4704-AD87-F69FBC136A11@gmail.com> References: <6D9A76BF-8790-4704-AD87-F69FBC136A11@gmail.com> Message-ID: <980857282.21060368.1501007490708.JavaMail.zimbra@centrum.is> Because this is an issue here on BLML - It is tempting to open 1 Spade In real world - PASS Greetings from Icelad Vigf?s P?lsson ----- Upprunaleg skilabo? ----- Fr?: "Richard Hills" Til: "Bridge Laws Mailing List" Sent: ?ri?judagur, 25. J?l?, 2017 07:26:21 Efni: [BLML] Jeeves the Butler Swiss Butler Pairs Dlr: West Vul: North-South The bidding has gone: Pass - (Pass) - ? You, East, hold: T96 QT6 T973 876 What call do you make? Best wishes, Richard Hills Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ Blml mailing list Blml at rtflb.org http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml From rfrick at rfrick.info Wed Jul 26 01:20:39 2017 From: rfrick at rfrick.info (Robert Frick) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 19:20:39 -0400 Subject: [BLML] Jeeves the Butler In-Reply-To: <6D9A76BF-8790-4704-AD87-F69FBC136A11@gmail.com> References: <6D9A76BF-8790-4704-AD87-F69FBC136A11@gmail.com> Message-ID: Interesting question. At matchpoints, this is a mandatory psych. We can't open 2C in ACBL land, and 1NT could get out of hand, so I will open 1D. At IMPs, I will pass. If partner agonized before passing, then I open 1D. On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 03:26:21 -0400, Richard Hills wrote: > Swiss Butler Pairs > Dlr: West > Vul: North-South > > The bidding has gone: Pass - (Pass) - ? > > You, East, hold: > > T96 > QT6 > T973 > 876 > > What call do you make? > > Best wishes, > > Richard Hills > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > Blml mailing list > Blml at rtflb.org > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml From hildalirsch at gmail.com Wed Jul 26 05:03:25 2017 From: hildalirsch at gmail.com (Richard Hills) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 13:03:25 +1000 Subject: [BLML] Jeeves the Butler In-Reply-To: <3b836057-2c71-81e8-27f6-35d67ba4ca69@skynet.be> References: <6D9A76BF-8790-4704-AD87-F69FBC136A11@gmail.com> <3b836057-2c71-81e8-27f6-35d67ba4ca69@skynet.be> Message-ID: <70948C04-012A-42B8-9750-B816B065B1AB@gmail.com> Jeeves neither "obviously" psyches 1H nor "obviously" passes. Rather Jeeves has already observed the traits of the opponents (Law 16A2). Due to Bertie Wooster's misadventures in the earlier matches of the Swiss this round's opponents are the weakest pair in the field. Furthermore the opponents play a home-grown idiosyncratic bidding system. Hence Jeeves chose to Pass rather than psyche. Shenanigans occurred in the opponents' uncontested auction, resulting in a hopeless 6NT, +300 to the good guys. If Jeeves had psyched 1H, then the opponents would have been forced to revert to natural bidding, resulting in a sensible 3NT, -600 to the good guys. Best wishes, Richard Hills Sent from my iPad > On 25 Jul 2017, at 6:46 PM, Herman De Wael wrote: > > obviously, 1 heart! > altough I would consider passing. > > Richard Hills wrote: >> Swiss Butler Pairs >> Dlr: West >> Vul: North-South >> >> The bidding has gone: Pass - (Pass) - ? >> >> You, East, hold: >> >> T96 >> QT6 >> T973 >> 876 >> >> What call do you make? >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Richard Hills >> >> Sent from my iPad >> _______________________________________________ >> Blml mailing list >> Blml at rtflb.org >> http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> http://www.avg.com > _______________________________________________ > Blml mailing list > Blml at rtflb.org > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml From ardelm at optusnet.com.au Wed Jul 26 06:37:41 2017 From: ardelm at optusnet.com.au (Tony Musgrove) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 14:37:41 +1000 Subject: [BLML] Jeeves the Butler In-Reply-To: <6D9A76BF-8790-4704-AD87-F69FBC136A11@gmail.com> References: <6D9A76BF-8790-4704-AD87-F69FBC136A11@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000901d305c8$eba0fa30$c2e2ee90$@optusnet.com.au> I think this is a canonical H1H, perhaps a little too shapely, Cheers, Tony (Sydney) > -----Original Message----- > From: blml-bounces at rtflb.org [mailto:blml-bounces at rtflb.org] On > Behalf Of Richard Hills > Sent: Tuesday, 25 July 2017 5:26 PM > To: blml at rtflb.org > Subject: [BLML] Jeeves the Butler > > Swiss Butler Pairs > Dlr: West > Vul: North-South > > The bidding has gone: Pass - (Pass) - ? > > You, East, hold: > > T96 > QT6 > T973 > 876 > > What call do you make? > > Best wishes, > > Richard Hills > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > Blml mailing list > Blml at rtflb.org > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml From sven at svenpran.net Tue Jul 25 23:46:21 2017 From: sven at svenpran.net (Sven Pran) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 23:46:21 +0200 Subject: [BLML] Jeeves the Butler In-Reply-To: <6D9A76BF-8790-4704-AD87-F69FBC136A11@gmail.com> References: <6D9A76BF-8790-4704-AD87-F69FBC136A11@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000501d3058f$76c5c0d0$64514270$@svenpran.net> A wise fellow bridge player of mine has a saying: If you try to create points on a board you will always succeed - and the points go to your opponents. -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: blml-bounces at rtflb.org [mailto:blml-bounces at rtflb.org] P? vegne av Richard Hills Sendt: tirsdag 25. juli 2017 09.26 Til: blml at rtflb.org Emne: [BLML] Jeeves the Butler Swiss Butler Pairs Dlr: West Vul: North-South The bidding has gone: Pass - (Pass) - ? You, East, hold: T96 QT6 T973 876 What call do you make? Best wishes, Richard Hills Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ Blml mailing list Blml at rtflb.org http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml --- E-posten er sjekket for virus av AVG. http://www.avg.com From gordonr60 at gmail.com Wed Jul 26 09:10:01 2017 From: gordonr60 at gmail.com (Gordon Rainsford) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 08:10:01 +0100 Subject: [BLML] Jeeves the Butler In-Reply-To: References: <6D9A76BF-8790-4704-AD87-F69FBC136A11@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5978404b.e6b2df0a.40f9c.9def@mx.google.com> ?Mandatory psych?. Oxymoron? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Robert Frick Sent: 26 July 2017 07:48 To: Bridge Laws Mailing List Subject: Re: [BLML] Jeeves the Butler Interesting question. At matchpoints, this is a mandatory psych. We can't open 2C in ACBL land, and 1NT could get out of hand, so I will open 1D. At IMPs, I will pass. If partner agonized before passing, then I open 1D. On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 03:26:21 -0400, Richard Hills wrote: > Swiss Butler Pairs > Dlr: West > Vul: North-South > > The bidding has gone: Pass - (Pass) - ? > > You, East, hold: > > T96 > QT6 > T973 > 876 > > What call do you make? > > Best wishes, > > Richard Hills > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > Blml mailing list > Blml at rtflb.org > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml _______________________________________________ Blml mailing list Blml at rtflb.org http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rtflb.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20170726/f31e370a/attachment.html From gordonr60 at gmail.com Thu Jul 27 08:33:21 2017 From: gordonr60 at gmail.com (Gordon Rainsford) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 07:33:21 +0100 Subject: [BLML] Jeeves the Butler In-Reply-To: <70948C04-012A-42B8-9750-B816B065B1AB@gmail.com> References: <6D9A76BF-8790-4704-AD87-F69FBC136A11@gmail.com> <3b836057-2c71-81e8-27f6-35d67ba4ca69@skynet.be> <70948C04-012A-42B8-9750-B816B065B1AB@gmail.com> Message-ID: <59798933.97a9df0a.40b5c.e25f@mx.google.com> I?m struggling to see the Bridge Laws point in this thread. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Richard Hills Sent: 27 July 2017 05:13 To: Bridge Laws Mailing List Subject: Re: [BLML] Jeeves the Butler Jeeves neither "obviously" psyches 1H nor "obviously" passes. Rather Jeeves has already observed the traits of the opponents (Law 16A2). Due to Bertie Wooster's misadventures in the earlier matches of the Swiss this round's opponents are the weakest pair in the field. Furthermore the opponents play a home-grown idiosyncratic bidding system. Hence Jeeves chose to Pass rather than psyche. Shenanigans occurred in the opponents' uncontested auction, resulting in a hopeless 6NT, +300 to the good guys. If Jeeves had psyched 1H, then the opponents would have been forced to revert to natural bidding, resulting in a sensible 3NT, -600 to the good guys. Best wishes, Richard Hills Sent from my iPad > On 25 Jul 2017, at 6:46 PM, Herman De Wael wrote: > > obviously, 1 heart! > altough I would consider passing. > > Richard Hills wrote: >> Swiss Butler Pairs >> Dlr: West >> Vul: North-South >> >> The bidding has gone: Pass - (Pass) - ? >> >> You, East, hold: >> >> T96 >> QT6 >> T973 >> 876 >> >> What call do you make? >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Richard Hills >> >> Sent from my iPad >> _______________________________________________ >> Blml mailing list >> Blml at rtflb.org >> http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> http://www.avg.com > _______________________________________________ > Blml mailing list > Blml at rtflb.org > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml _______________________________________________ Blml mailing list Blml at rtflb.org http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rtflb.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20170727/e2d4a6e1/attachment.html From hildalirsch at gmail.com Thu Jul 27 09:27:00 2017 From: hildalirsch at gmail.com (Richard Hills) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 17:27:00 +1000 Subject: [BLML] Jeeves the Butler In-Reply-To: <5978404b.e6b2df0a.40f9c.9def@mx.google.com> References: <6D9A76BF-8790-4704-AD87-F69FBC136A11@gmail.com> <5978404b.e6b2df0a.40f9c.9def@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9B8B2383-A79C-4559-AAA5-4984DED2104D@gmail.com> Yes, a mandatory psyche is indeed an oxymoron. Law 40C1: "... Repeated deviations lead to implicit understandings which then form part of the partnership's methods ..." And also Law 40B4: "When a side is damaged by an opponent's use of a special partnership understanding that does not comply with the regulations governing the tournament the score shall be adjusted. A side in breach of those regulations may be subject to a procedural penalty." Best wishes, Richard Hills Sent from my iPad > On 26 Jul 2017, at 5:10 PM, Gordon Rainsford wrote: > > ?Mandatory psych?. Oxymoron? > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Robert Frick > Sent: 26 July 2017 07:48 > To: Bridge Laws Mailing List > Subject: Re: [BLML] Jeeves the Butler > > Interesting question. At matchpoints, this is a mandatory psych. We can't open 2C in ACBL land, and 1NT could get out of hand, so I will open 1D. At IMPs, I will pass. If partner agonized before passing, then I open 1D. > > On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 03:26:21 -0400, Richard Hills wrote: > > > Swiss Butler Pairs > > Dlr: West > > Vul: North-South > > > > The bidding has gone: Pass - (Pass) - ? > > > > You, East, hold: > > > > T96 > > QT6 > > T973 > > 876 > > > > What call do you make? > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Richard Hills > > > > Sent from my iPad > > _______________________________________________ > > Blml mailing list > > Blml at rtflb.org > > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > _______________________________________________ > Blml mailing list > Blml at rtflb.org > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > > _______________________________________________ > Blml mailing list > Blml at rtflb.org > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rtflb.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20170727/6c2dd9f3/attachment.html From rfrick at rfrick.info Fri Jul 28 01:46:24 2017 From: rfrick at rfrick.info (Robert Frick) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 19:46:24 -0400 Subject: [BLML] Jeeves the Butler In-Reply-To: <9B8B2383-A79C-4559-AAA5-4984DED2104D@gmail.com> References: <6D9A76BF-8790-4704-AD87-F69FBC136A11@gmail.com> <5978404b.e6b2df0a.40f9c.9def@mx.google.com> <9B8B2383-A79C-4559-AAA5-4984DED2104D@gmail.com> Message-ID: From the ACBL: "Any call that deliberately and grossly misstates either honor strength or suit length is by definition a psych. However, some psychs are disruptive to the game while others involve bridge tactics." That means a psych can be a good bid. That means, for people who look for psychs, they might bid the same. Someone complained about Bart psyching, they told me his psych, and I said "Damn, I held that hand and didn't think of that." I got called to the table, someone asked me how I would respond to a 1C opening, and I picked the same bid as Bart: 1D on a singleton king. I cannot tell you how many times someone said a player did not have their HCP on an auction like P 1C 2S, and I just go "duh". On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 03:27:00 -0400, Richard Hills wrote: > Yes, a mandatory psyche is indeed an oxymoron. Law 40C1: "... Repeated deviations lead to implicit understandings which then form part of the partnership's methods ..." > > And also Law 40B4: "When a side is damaged by an opponent's use of a special partnership understanding that does not comply with the regulations governing the tournament the score shall be adjusted. A side in breach of those regulations may be subject to a procedural penalty." > > Best wishes, > > Richard Hills > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 26 Jul 2017, at 5:10 PM, Gordon Rainsford wrote: >> >> ?Mandatory psych?. Oxymoron? >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Robert Frick >> Sent: 26 July 2017 07:48 >> To: Bridge Laws Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [BLML] Jeeves the Butler >> >> Interesting question. At matchpoints, this is a mandatory psych. We can't open 2C in ACBL land, and 1NT could get out of hand, so I will open 1D. At IMPs, I will pass. If partner agonized before passing, then I open 1D. >> >> On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 03:26:21 -0400, Richard Hills wrote: >> >> > Swiss Butler Pairs >> > Dlr: West >> > Vul: North-South >> > >> > The bidding has gone: Pass - (Pass) - ? >> > >> > You, East, hold: >> > >> > T96 >> > QT6 >> > T973 >> > 876 >> > >> > What call do you make? >> > >> > Best wishes, >> > >> > Richard Hills >> > >> > Sent from my iPad >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Blml mailing list >> > Blml at rtflb.org >> > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml >> _______________________________________________ >> Blml mailing list >> Blml at rtflb.org >> http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blml mailing list >> Blml at rtflb.org >> http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml From hildalirsch at gmail.com Fri Jul 28 06:17:34 2017 From: hildalirsch at gmail.com (Richard Hills) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 14:17:34 +1000 Subject: [BLML] Jeeves the Butler In-Reply-To: <59798933.97a9df0a.40b5c.e25f@mx.google.com> References: <6D9A76BF-8790-4704-AD87-F69FBC136A11@gmail.com> <3b836057-2c71-81e8-27f6-35d67ba4ca69@skynet.be> <70948C04-012A-42B8-9750-B816B065B1AB@gmail.com> <59798933.97a9df0a.40b5c.e25f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0D69D888-7949-4FF8-B1C0-A5A6E6F9A409@gmail.com> The shorthand word "psychic" appears in Law 40B2(a)(v). But the more useful expanded description "deviate from his side's announced understandings" appears in Law 40C1. A true psyche is when "partner has no more reason than the opponents to be aware of the deviation". (Note that Law 40B2(a)(v) nevertheless renders some true psyches illegal.) But a concealed partnership understanding pseudo-psyche is created by repeated deviations, for example the oxymoron "mandatory psyche". Best wishes, Richard Hills Sent from my iPad > On 27 Jul 2017, at 4:33 PM, Gordon Rainsford wrote: > > I?m struggling to see the Bridge Laws point in this thread. > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Richard Hills > Sent: 27 July 2017 05:13 > To: Bridge Laws Mailing List > Subject: Re: [BLML] Jeeves the Butler > > Jeeves neither "obviously" psyches 1H nor "obviously" passes. Rather Jeeves has already observed the traits of the opponents (Law 16A2). > > Due to Bertie Wooster's misadventures in the earlier matches of the Swiss this round's opponents are the weakest pair in the field. Furthermore the opponents play a home-grown idiosyncratic bidding system. > > Hence Jeeves chose to Pass rather than psyche. Shenanigans occurred in the opponents' uncontested auction, resulting in a hopeless 6NT, +300 to the good guys. If Jeeves had psyched 1H, then the opponents would have been forced to revert to natural bidding, resulting in a sensible 3NT, -600 to the good guys. > > Best wishes, > > Richard Hills > > Sent from my iPad > > > On 25 Jul 2017, at 6:46 PM, Herman De Wael wrote: > > > > obviously, 1 heart! > > altough I would consider passing. > > > > Richard Hills wrote: > >> Swiss Butler Pairs > >> Dlr: West > >> Vul: North-South > >> > >> The bidding has gone: Pass - (Pass) - ? > >> > >> You, East, hold: > >> > >> T96 > >> QT6 > >> T973 > >> 876 > >> > >> What call do you make? > >> > >> Best wishes, > >> > >> Richard Hills > >> > >> Sent from my iPad > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Blml mailing list > >> Blml at rtflb.org > >> http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > >> > >> --- > >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > >> http://www.avg.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Blml mailing list > > Blml at rtflb.org > > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > _______________________________________________ > Blml mailing list > Blml at rtflb.org > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > > _______________________________________________ > Blml mailing list > Blml at rtflb.org > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rtflb.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20170728/2230da04/attachment.html From hermandw at skynet.be Fri Jul 28 07:47:25 2017 From: hermandw at skynet.be (Herman De Wael) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 07:47:25 +0200 Subject: [BLML] Jeeves the Butler In-Reply-To: <9B8B2383-A79C-4559-AAA5-4984DED2104D@gmail.com> References: <6D9A76BF-8790-4704-AD87-F69FBC136A11@gmail.com> <5978404b.e6b2df0a.40f9c.9def@mx.google.com> <9B8B2383-A79C-4559-AAA5-4984DED2104D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1269debd-ad96-ca68-2064-c2218ae2a5ec@skynet.be> The word "mandatory" shuld of course be in quotes. But this raises the ever-important question. How can you ever say that a bid is mandatory? The same cards never came up before - so doing the bid now does not prove that you would always do it. Soevery single call can be called systemic - and none can be so. The fact that a call is made cannot be enough to prove the systemics of it. Not even coupled with the fact that the player says he would do so again ifhe was ever presented with the same situation. Because if you go on that assertion, he will never assert the same thing agsain, and you have no way of calling him a liar if he doesn't say it. No, the systemic nature of a bid must be deduced from the actions of the partner. If he bids 4He over a 1He opening, then the system is that this shows a five-card suit. (which is precisely why I don't like Drury). Nor can the frequency of a psyche determine its systemic nature. Whatever the frequency of a psyche, the partner has a better chance of estimating it than the opponent. That is something the laws on full discolsure should try to remedy, and if that remedy is not present, the Director should adjust for it - but the mere fact that the partner knows the frequency of psyching is not zero should not be enough to call the psyche systemic. After all, you will never be able to prove that you have absolutely no knowledge of partner ever having psyched before. So any ruling that relies solely on partner's knwoledge of the possibility of a psyche is tantamount to the rule "you are allowed to psyche, provided you do it only once in your life". And remember this: the fact that a player will open 1He in a certain situation is not the same as saying that 1He promises that situation. The hand above occurs once every six months. Meanwhile, there have been thousands of normal 1He openings. A call with a very low frequency must not be called psychic. And yes, the hand containint 28 points is also very infrequnet, yet the 2Di opening contains that possibility. But in contract to the H1H, there is a way of showing that infrequent hand (2Di-2He-3NT should do it). Of course, if there is a systemic way of showing the psychic H1H, then that too becomes systemic. But there isn't. OK? Herman. Richard Hills wrote: > Yes, a mandatory psyche is indeed an oxymoron. Law 40C1: "... Repeated > deviations lead to implicit understandings which then form part of the > partnership's methods ..." > > And also Law 40B4: "When a side is damaged by an opponent's use of a > special partnership understanding that does not comply with the > regulations governing the tournament the score shall be adjusted. A side > in breach of those regulations may be subject to a procedural penalty." > > Best wishes, > > Richard Hills > > Sent from my iPad > > On 26 Jul 2017, at 5:10 PM, Gordon Rainsford > wrote: > >> ?Mandatory psych?. Oxymoron? >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> >> >> *From: *Robert Frick >> *Sent: *26 July 2017 07:48 >> *To: *Bridge Laws Mailing List >> *Subject: *Re: [BLML] Jeeves the Butler >> >> >> >> Interesting question. At matchpoints, this is a mandatory psych. We >> can't open 2C in ACBL land, and 1NT could get out of hand, so I will >> open 1D. At IMPs, I will pass. If partner agonized before passing, >> then I open 1D. >> >> >> >> On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 03:26:21 -0400, Richard Hills >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> > Swiss Butler Pairs >> >> > Dlr: West >> >> > Vul: North-South >> >> > >> >> > The bidding has gone: Pass - (Pass) - ? >> >> > >> >> > You, East, hold: >> >> > >> >> > T96 >> >> > QT6 >> >> > T973 >> >> > 876 >> >> > >> >> > What call do you make? >> >> > >> >> > Best wishes, >> >> > >> >> > Richard Hills >> >> > >> >> > Sent from my iPad >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Blml mailing list >> >> > Blml at rtflb.org >> >> > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Blml mailing list >> >> Blml at rtflb.org >> >> http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blml mailing list >> Blml at rtflb.org >> http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > > > Virus-free. www.avg.com > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > _______________________________________________ > Blml mailing list > Blml at rtflb.org > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > From bpark56 at comcast.net Fri Jul 28 14:17:11 2017 From: bpark56 at comcast.net (Robert Park) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 08:17:11 -0400 Subject: [BLML] Jeeves the Butler In-Reply-To: <0D69D888-7949-4FF8-B1C0-A5A6E6F9A409@gmail.com> References: <6D9A76BF-8790-4704-AD87-F69FBC136A11@gmail.com> <3b836057-2c71-81e8-27f6-35d67ba4ca69@skynet.be> <70948C04-012A-42B8-9750-B816B065B1AB@gmail.com> <59798933.97a9df0a.40b5c.e25f@mx.google.com> <0D69D888-7949-4FF8-B1C0-A5A6E6F9A409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <21e985e3-eae0-63d4-359a-ea1d804b22c8@comcast.net> But are not some psyching situations sufficiently well known to be considered almost part of "just bridge?" Third-seat 1M openings when playing Drury, for example. Or 1S replies to 1H when holding a very weak hand with heart support? Are there others of this ilk? I seen to recall someone describing a psyching opportunity or 2 when replying to 1NT openings. These certainly exist when not vul responding a weak or mini-1NT...especially if you have workable run-outs when a double comes back to you. --Bob Park On 7/28/17 12:17 AM, Richard Hills wrote: > The shorthand word "psychic" appears in Law 40B2(a)(v). But the more > useful expanded description "deviate from his side's announced > understandings" appears in Law 40C1. > > A true psyche is when "partner has no more reason than the opponents > to be aware of the deviation". (Note that Law 40B2(a)(v) nevertheless > renders some true psyches illegal.) But a concealed partnership > understanding pseudo-psyche is created by repeated deviations, for > example the oxymoron "mandatory psyche". > > Best wishes, > > Richard Hills > > Sent from my iPad > > On 27 Jul 2017, at 4:33 PM, Gordon Rainsford > wrote: > >> I?m struggling to see the Bridge Laws point in this thread. >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> *From: *Richard Hills >> *Sent: *27 July 2017 05:13 >> *To: *Bridge Laws Mailing List >> *Subject: *Re: [BLML] Jeeves the Butler >> >> Jeeves neither "obviously" psyches 1H nor "obviously" passes. Rather >> Jeeves has already observed the traits of the opponents (Law 16A2). >> >> Due to Bertie Wooster's misadventures in the earlier matches of the >> Swiss this round's opponents are the weakest pair in the field. >> Furthermore the opponents play a home-grown idiosyncratic bidding system. >> >> Hence Jeeves chose to Pass rather than psyche. Shenanigans occurred >> in the opponents' uncontested auction, resulting in a hopeless 6NT, >> +300 to the good guys. If Jeeves had psyched 1H, then the opponents >> would have been forced to revert to natural bidding, resulting in a >> sensible 3NT, -600 to the good guys. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Richard Hills >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> > On 25 Jul 2017, at 6:46 PM, Herman De Wael > > wrote: >> >> > >> >> > obviously, 1 heart! >> >> > altough I would consider passing. >> >> > >> >> > Richard Hills wrote: >> >> >> Swiss Butler Pairs >> >> >> Dlr: West >> >> >> Vul: North-South >> >> >> >> >> >> The bidding has gone: Pass - (Pass) - ? >> >> >> >> >> >> You, East, hold: >> >> >> >> >> >> T96 >> >> >> QT6 >> >> >> T973 >> >> >> 876 >> >> >> >> >> >> What call do you make? >> >> >> >> >> >> Best wishes, >> >> >> >> >> >> Richard Hills >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Blml mailing list >> >> >> Blml at rtflb.org >> >> >> http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> >> >> http://www.avg.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Blml mailing list >> >> > Blml at rtflb.org >> >> > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Blml mailing list >> >> Blml at rtflb.org >> >> http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blml mailing list >> Blml at rtflb.org >> http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > > > _______________________________________________ > Blml mailing list > Blml at rtflb.org > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rtflb.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20170728/f9c68ddf/attachment.html From bridge at vwalther.de Mon Jul 31 10:45:26 2017 From: bridge at vwalther.de (Volker Walther) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 10:45:26 +0200 Subject: [BLML] Jeeves the Butler In-Reply-To: <21e985e3-eae0-63d4-359a-ea1d804b22c8@comcast.net> References: <6D9A76BF-8790-4704-AD87-F69FBC136A11@gmail.com> <3b836057-2c71-81e8-27f6-35d67ba4ca69@skynet.be> <70948C04-012A-42B8-9750-B816B065B1AB@gmail.com> <59798933.97a9df0a.40b5c.e25f@mx.google.com> <0D69D888-7949-4FF8-B1C0-A5A6E6F9A409@gmail.com> <21e985e3-eae0-63d4-359a-ea1d804b22c8@comcast.net> Message-ID: <456bc61e-f236-cb7b-9737-5f119332d012@vwalther.de> If you have the tools to stop the bidding on a low level, (eg. Drury or workable runouts) I would probably judge (depending on local regulations) that you are using HUM, if you open such a weak hand in third position. I would decide the same way if dealer is bidding incredible low in a so called "natural system". Volker Am 28.07.2017 um 14:17 schrieb Robert Park: > > But are not some psyching situations sufficiently well known to be > considered almost part of "just bridge?" Third-seat 1M openings when > playing Drury, for example. Or 1S replies to 1H when holding a very weak > hand with heart support? Are there others of this ilk? > > I seen to recall someone describing a psyching opportunity or 2 when > replying to 1NT openings. These certainly exist when not vul responding > a weak or mini-1NT...especially if you have workable run-outs when a > double comes back to you. > > --Bob Park > > > On 7/28/17 12:17 AM, Richard Hills wrote: >> The shorthand word "psychic" appears in Law 40B2(a)(v). But the more >> useful expanded description "deviate from his side's announced >> understandings" appears in Law 40C1. >> >> A true psyche is when "partner has no more reason than the opponents >> to be aware of the deviation". (Note that Law 40B2(a)(v) nevertheless >> renders some true psyches illegal.) But a concealed partnership >> understanding pseudo-psyche is created by repeated deviations, for >> example the oxymoron "mandatory psyche". >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Richard Hills >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 27 Jul 2017, at 4:33 PM, Gordon Rainsford > > wrote: >> >>> I?m struggling to see the Bridge Laws point in this thread. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail for >>> Windows 10 >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: *Richard Hills >>> *Sent: *27 July 2017 05:13 >>> *To: *Bridge Laws Mailing List >>> *Subject: *Re: [BLML] Jeeves the Butler >>> >>> >>> >>> Jeeves neither "obviously" psyches 1H nor "obviously" passes. Rather >>> Jeeves has already observed the traits of the opponents (Law 16A2). >>> >>> >>> >>> Due to Bertie Wooster's misadventures in the earlier matches of the >>> Swiss this round's opponents are the weakest pair in the field. >>> Furthermore the opponents play a home-grown idiosyncratic bidding system. >>> >>> >>> >>> Hence Jeeves chose to Pass rather than psyche. Shenanigans occurred >>> in the opponents' uncontested auction, resulting in a hopeless 6NT, >>> +300 to the good guys. If Jeeves had psyched 1H, then the opponents >>> would have been forced to revert to natural bidding, resulting in a >>> sensible 3NT, -600 to the good guys. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard Hills >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> >>> >>> > On 25 Jul 2017, at 6:46 PM, Herman De Wael >> > wrote: >>> >>> > >>> >>> > obviously, 1 heart! >>> >>> > altough I would consider passing. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Richard Hills wrote: >>> >>> >> Swiss Butler Pairs >>> >>> >> Dlr: West >>> >>> >> Vul: North-South >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> The bidding has gone: Pass - (Pass) - ? >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> You, East, hold: >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> T96 >>> >>> >> QT6 >>> >>> >> T973 >>> >>> >> 876 >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> What call do you make? >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> Best wishes, >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> Richard Hills >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >> Blml mailing list >>> >>> >> Blml at rtflb.org >>> >>> >> http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> --- >>> >>> >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>> >>> >> http://www.avg.com >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> >>> > Blml mailing list >>> >>> > Blml at rtflb.org >>> >>> > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Blml mailing list >>> >>> Blml at rtflb.org >>> >>> http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blml mailing list >>> Blml at rtflb.org >>> http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blml mailing list >> Blml at rtflb.org >> http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Blml mailing list > Blml at rtflb.org > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > -- Volker Walther