From Jeff.Easterson at gmx.de Sat Sep 17 07:35:47 2016 From: Jeff.Easterson at gmx.de (Jeff Easterson) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 07:35:47 +0200 Subject: [BLML] Fwd: postings from blml In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <569c2ada-7f83-fa1b-04b1-e0491de6436c@gmx.de> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- Betreff: postings from blml Datum: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 07:31:58 +0200 Von: Jeff Easterson An: Bridge Laws Mailing List Haven't received anything from blml in at least 2 or 3 weeks. What has happened? Yours faithfully, Jeff Easterson --- Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren gepr?ft. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From hildalirsch at gmail.com Sat Sep 17 09:35:17 2016 From: hildalirsch at gmail.com (Richard Hills) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 17:35:17 +1000 Subject: [BLML] Fwd: postings from blml In-Reply-To: <569c2ada-7f83-fa1b-04b1-e0491de6436c@gmx.de> References: <569c2ada-7f83-fa1b-04b1-e0491de6436c@gmx.de> Message-ID: Your regular partner forgot to turn up. In the bunny movement a bunny's partner also forgot to turn up. At the Director's request you prevent a half table by partnering the bereft bunny. Matchpoint pairs Dlr: East Vul: Nil You, West, hold: AJ83 AKJ2 32 AT3 Pard passes, South opens 1D and you double. North raises to 2D and pard bids 2H, very much out-of-tempo. South rebids 3D. What call do you make? Best wishes, Richard Hills On Saturday, September 17, 2016, Jeff Easterson wrote: > > > > -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- > Betreff: postings from blml > Datum: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 07:31:58 +0200 > Von: Jeff Easterson > > An: Bridge Laws Mailing List > > > > > Haven't received anything from blml in at least 2 or 3 weeks. What has > happened? > > Yours faithfully, Jeff Easterson > > > --- > Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren gepr?ft. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > Blml mailing list > Blml at rtflb.org > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rtflb.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20160917/e8592542/attachment.html From Ziffbridge at t-online.de Sat Sep 17 09:58:49 2016 From: Ziffbridge at t-online.de (Matthias Berghaus) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 09:58:49 +0200 Subject: [BLML] Fwd: postings from blml In-Reply-To: <569c2ada-7f83-fa1b-04b1-e0491de6436c@gmx.de> References: <569c2ada-7f83-fa1b-04b1-e0491de6436c@gmx.de> Message-ID: Am 17.09.2016 um 07:35 schrieb Jeff Easterson > > Haven't received anything from blml in at least 2 or 3 weeks. What has > happened? Nobody posted, Jeff, they are all watching the championships on BBO..... > > Yours faithfully, Jeff Easterson > > > --- > Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren gepr?ft. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > Blml mailing list > Blml at rtflb.org > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml From Ziffbridge at t-online.de Sat Sep 17 11:41:29 2016 From: Ziffbridge at t-online.de (Matthias Berghaus) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 11:41:29 +0200 Subject: [BLML] Fwd: postings from blml In-Reply-To: References: <569c2ada-7f83-fa1b-04b1-e0491de6436c@gmx.de> Message-ID: <014c21b3-1ffd-59b0-d324-f8f956b6b18c@t-online.de> Am 17.09.2016 um 09:35 schrieb Richard Hills: > Your regular partner forgot to turn up. In the bunny movement a > bunny's partner also forgot to turn up. At the Director's request you > prevent a half table by partnering the bereft bunny. > > Matchpoint pairs > Dlr: East > Vul: Nil > > You, West, hold: > > AJ83 > AKJ2 > 32 > AT3 > > Pard passes, South opens 1D and you double. North raises to 2D and > pard bids 2H, very much out-of-tempo. South rebids 3D. > > What call do you make? 4H. Pard bid freely, whatever that may show, but surely not a Yarborough, so game should have a play. I have no idea whether a out-of-tempo call shows extras or a subminimum, but since I would have bid 4H opposite myself, why should I act differently here? OK, bunny has to declare, but aces take tricks, always. > > Best wishes, > > Richard Hills From grabiner at alumni.princeton.edu Sat Sep 17 21:32:59 2016 From: grabiner at alumni.princeton.edu (David Grabiner) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 15:32:59 -0400 Subject: [BLML] Fwd: postings from blml In-Reply-To: References: <569c2ada-7f83-fa1b-04b1-e0491de6436c@gmx.de> Message-ID: <09728759-2bdd-e5b1-eb0d-4df0b3255d15@alumni.princeton.edu> On 9/17/2016 3:35 AM, Richard Hills wrote: > Your regular partner forgot to turn up. In the bunny movement a > bunny's partner also forgot to turn up. At the Director's request you > prevent a half table by partnering the bereft bunny. > > Matchpoint pairs > Dlr: East > Vul: Nil > > You, West, hold: > > AJ83 > AKJ2 > 32 > AT3 > > Pard passes, South opens 1D and you double. North raises to 2D and > pard bids 2H, very much out-of-tempo. South rebids 3D. > > What call do you make? > I suspect that a slow pass by a bunny shows extra values, and also that bunnies don't know how light they can be to jump after a takeout double. Pass by me is not a logical alternative, but 3H and 4H both are, and the slow pass suggests 4H over 3H, so I bid 3H. From rfrick at rfrick.info Sat Sep 17 22:42:36 2016 From: rfrick at rfrick.info (Robert Frick) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2016 16:42:36 -0400 Subject: [BLML] Fwd: postings from blml In-Reply-To: References: <569c2ada-7f83-fa1b-04b1-e0491de6436c@gmx.de> Message-ID: On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 03:35:17 -0400, Richard Hills wrote: > Your regular partner forgot to turn up. In the bunny movement a bunny's > partner also forgot to turn up. At the Director's request you prevent a > half table by partnering the bereft bunny. > > Matchpoint pairs > Dlr: East > Vul: Nil > > You, West, hold: > > AJ83 > AKJ2 > 32 > AT3 > > Pard passes, South opens 1D and you double. North raises to 2D and pard > bids 2H, very much out-of-tempo. South rebids 3D. An in-tempo 2 Hearts by a bunny might be more informative than a slow one. The bunny has to work out the situation and decide what to do. A beginner usually would have extra values for that bid, if they worked out that a pass was optional. But they could have less values for the bid if they thought they had to bid. So I say bid at your own risk. I trust the opps and bid an obvious 3H. From Ziffbridge at t-online.de Mon Sep 19 22:09:36 2016 From: Ziffbridge at t-online.de (Matthias Berghaus) Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 22:09:36 +0200 Subject: [BLML] Valid comparison? Message-ID: <64cb0327-6dc3-b515-da15-2e6a92616ef1@t-online.de> I have seen (and heard about) cases where a TD ordered pairs to switch directions, usually because someone had started to play a board (erronously), and now directions were adjusted in order to have a chance at a valid result. So far, so (well, maybe mot good, but as good as was possible....). Now assume that - with screens - the pairs do not get up and change directions, but just swivel the tray around and get on with it. Problem is: no longer are N and E on the same side of the screen. This need not be a problem, of course, but (assumption) if the people were to rotate 90 degrees clockwise (or counter-clockwise, for that matter) certain "screenpartnerships" would arise, while (without a physical switch) others arise. OTOH, if they get up and change seats around, why shouldn`t this duos arise anyway? And why should one care? Well, maybe player X explains very well, while Y (language problem, laziness, whatever) doesn`t do so well. This may make a difference. Then again, it may not. Rub of the green? Probably, but maybe you have opinions, or your NBO may even have regulations (unlikely, but who knows...?). My NBO does not have a reg, I have no idea whether any such reg would be needed, I just look for ideas.... Best regards Matthias From hildalirsch at gmail.com Tue Sep 20 09:01:37 2016 From: hildalirsch at gmail.com (Richard Hills) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 17:01:37 +1000 Subject: [BLML] Fwd: postings from blml In-Reply-To: <09728759-2bdd-e5b1-eb0d-4df0b3255d15@alumni.princeton.edu> References: <569c2ada-7f83-fa1b-04b1-e0491de6436c@gmx.de> <09728759-2bdd-e5b1-eb0d-4df0b3255d15@alumni.princeton.edu> Message-ID: David Grabiner: I suspect that a slow pass by a bunny shows extra values, and also that bunnies don't know how light they can be to jump after a takeout double. Pass by me is not a logical alternative, but 3H and 4H both are, and the slow pass suggests 4H over 3H, so I bid 3H. Richard Hills: Yes, at the table my reasoning duplicated that of David Grabiner, so I bid 3H. But now North continued with 4D, pass, pass to me. What now? Best wishes, Richard Hills On Sunday, September 18, 2016, David Grabiner wrote: > > > On 9/17/2016 3:35 AM, Richard Hills wrote: > > Your regular partner forgot to turn up. In the bunny movement a > > bunny's partner also forgot to turn up. At the Director's request you > > prevent a half table by partnering the bereft bunny. > > > > Matchpoint pairs > > Dlr: East > > Vul: Nil > > > > You, West, hold: > > > > AJ83 > > AKJ2 > > 32 > > AT3 > > > > Pard passes, South opens 1D and you double. North raises to 2D and > > pard bids 2H, very much out-of-tempo. South rebids 3D. > > > > What call do you make? > > > I suspect that a slow pass by a bunny shows extra values, and also that > bunnies don't know how light they can be to jump after a takeout double. > Pass by me is not a logical alternative, but 3H and 4H both are, and > the slow pass suggests 4H over 3H, so I bid 3H. > > > _______________________________________________ > Blml mailing list > Blml at rtflb.org > http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.rtflb.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20160921/4f4a2dcc/attachment.html From hildalirsch at gmail.com Wed Sep 21 09:43:51 2016 From: hildalirsch at gmail.com (Richard Hills) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 17:43:51 +1000 Subject: [BLML] Fwd: postings from blml In-Reply-To: <3ed2e1da-e301-ae07-f88c-ce28de254a3c@alumni.princeton.edu> References: <569c2ada-7f83-fa1b-04b1-e0491de6436c@gmx.de> <09728759-2bdd-e5b1-eb0d-4df0b3255d15@alumni.princeton.edu> <3ed2e1da-e301-ae07-f88c-ce28de254a3c@alumni.princeton.edu> Message-ID: David Grabiner: When I bid 3H, I wasn't expecting to make 4H based on the authorized information if partner doesn't bid it. Partner's pass says that I am still not expecting to make it. However, I have four defensive tricks, and partner should have something such as a black king if only one heart cashes. Therefore, I double; I might even get +300. Richard Hills: AI from North competing to 4D demonstrably suggests that pard is likely to hold a singleton diamond. Therefore at the table I now deemed that the changed circumstances of zero diamond wasted honours made the push to 4H the only logical alternative. And yes, pard did hold a singleton diamond, and yes 4H scored 10 tricks, and yes our ad hoc partnership scored first place in the East-West bunny field. Best wishes, Richard Hills On Wednesday, September 21, 2016, David Grabiner < grabiner at alumni.princeton.edu> wrote: > When I bid 3H, I wasn't expecting to make 4H based on the authorized > information if partner doesn't bid it. Partner's pass says that I am still > not expecting to make it. However, I have four defensive tricks, and > partner should have something such as a black king if only one heart > cashes. Therefore, I double; I might even get +300. > > On 9/20/2016 3:01 AM, Richard Hills wrote: > > David Grabiner: > > I suspect that a slow pass by a bunny shows extra values, and also that > bunnies don't know how light they can be to jump after a takeout double. > Pass by me is not a logical alternative, but 3H and 4H both are, and > the slow pass suggests 4H over 3H, so I bid 3H. > > Richard Hills: > > Yes, at the table my reasoning duplicated that of David Grabiner, so I bid > 3H. > > But now North continued with 4D, pass, pass to me. What now? > > Best wishes, > > Richard Hills > > On Sunday, September 18, 2016, David Grabiner < > grabiner at alumni.princeton.edu > > wrote: > >> >> >> On 9/17/2016 3:35 AM, Richard Hills wrote: >> > Your regular partner forgot to turn up. In the bunny movement a >> > bunny's partner also forgot to turn up. At the Director's request you >> > prevent a half table by partnering the bereft bunny. >> > >> > Matchpoint pairs >> > Dlr: East >> > Vul: Nil >> > >> > You, West, hold: >> > >> > AJ83 >> > AKJ2 >> > 32 >> > AT3 >> > >> > Pard passes, South opens 1D and you double. North raises to 2D and >> > pard bids 2H, very much out-of-tempo. South rebids 3D. >> > >> > What call do you make? >> > >> I suspect that a slow pass by a bunny shows extra values, and also that >> bunnies don't know how light they can be to jump after a takeout double. >> Pass by me is not a logical alternative, but 3H and 4H both are, and >> the slow pass suggests 4H over 3H, so I bid 3H. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blml mailing list >> Blml at rtflb.org >> http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Blml mailing listBlml at rtflb.org http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.rtflb.org/pipermail/blml/attachments/20160921/36033402/attachment.html From rfrick at rfrick.info Wed Sep 21 18:58:59 2016 From: rfrick at rfrick.info (Robert Frick) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 12:58:59 -0400 Subject: [BLML] Fwd: postings from blml In-Reply-To: References: <569c2ada-7f83-fa1b-04b1-e0491de6436c@gmx.de> <09728759-2bdd-e5b1-eb0d-4df0b3255d15@alumni.princeton.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 03:01:37 -0400, Richard Hills wrote: > David Grabiner: > > I suspect that a slow pass by a bunny shows extra values, and also that > bunnies don't know how light they can be to jump after a takeout double. The second of course is authorized. > Pass by me is not a logical alternative, but 3H and 4H both are, and > the slow pass suggests 4H over 3H, so I bid 3H. > > Richard Hills: > > Yes, at the table my reasoning duplicated that of David Grabiner, so I bid > 3H. > > But now North continued with 4D, pass, pass to me. What now? > > Best wishes, > > Richard Hills > > On Sunday, September 18, 2016, David Grabiner > wrote: > >> >> >> On 9/17/2016 3:35 AM, Richard Hills wrote: >> > Your regular partner forgot to turn up. In the bunny movement a >> > bunny's partner also forgot to turn up. At the Director's request you >> > prevent a half table by partnering the bereft bunny. >> > >> > Matchpoint pairs >> > Dlr: East >> > Vul: Nil >> > >> > You, West, hold: >> > >> > AJ83 >> > AKJ2 >> > 32 >> > AT3 >> > >> > Pard passes, South opens 1D and you double. North raises to 2D and >> > pard bids 2H, very much out-of-tempo. South rebids 3D. >> > >> > What call do you make? >> > >> I suspect that a slow pass by a bunny shows extra values, and also that >> bunnies don't know how light they can be to jump after a takeout double. >> Pass by me is not a logical alternative, but 3H and 4H both are, and >> the slow pass suggests 4H over 3H, so I bid 3H. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blml mailing list >> Blml at rtflb.org >> http://lists.rtflb.org/mailman/listinfo/blml >>